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You know, you can just ignore the ingrates and not go return to Vault 101.

...or return, get rejected and brutally murder everyone who wants you out!

"Hey Amanda, is that a plasma grenade in your pocket or are you just excited to see m-...oh. No idea how that got into there!"

Don't forget to throw 21 bottles of fresh water at the first homeless man you encounter.

BTW it's "Amata"

 Alex C wrote:
BTW it's "Amata"

Dogmeat is the only name I need to know. Ahoooooo!

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
BTW it's "Amata"

Dogmeat is the only name I need to know. Ahoooooo!

Lies. Charon is love, Charon is life.
Partly because he is the least annoying companion.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
BTW it's "Amata"

Dogmeat is the only name I need to know. Ahoooooo!

Lies. Charon is love, Charon is life.
Partly because he is the least annoying companion.

*Least* annoying. God I hate companions in Bethesda games. Quite bloody Ramboing all the time when I'm trying to sneak ya gits! Heh, at least Obsidian's ones in New Vegas' served a plot purpose, though I chucked them too once I'd unlocked all their content.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
BTW it's "Amata"

Dogmeat is the only name I need to know. Ahoooooo!

Lies. Charon is love, Charon is life.
Partly because he is the least annoying companion.

Charon is not our companion. The Player is Charon's companion.

 Wyrmalla wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Alex C wrote:
BTW it's "Amata"

Dogmeat is the only name I need to know. Ahoooooo!

Lies. Charon is love, Charon is life.
Partly because he is the least annoying companion.

*Least* annoying. God I hate companions in Bethesda games. Quite bloody Ramboing all the time when I'm trying to sneak ya gits! Heh, at least Obsidian's ones in New Vegas' served a plot purpose, though I chucked them too once I'd unlocked all their content.

I just used them as storage and a Cazadore distraction device
Except for Ed-E.
Don't touch my eyebot

What bothers me about the companions in NV though is how badly they shafted the legion.
Boone and Cass will attack the player if they are branded as a terrorist, which will most certainly happen in a legion run.
Veronica will attack the player after the BoS is wiped out.
Arcade will leave if you join the legion's assault on hoover dam.

This leaves Raul and Lily as the only companions who will fight alongside you on a legion run.
The legion hates ghouls and mutants, so that's not very fluffy.

Would it have really hurt them to have a centurion companion?

Bah, they all got nothing on Ian. The OG companion.



Why you melon-fether..

 BrookM wrote:
Bah, they all got nothing on Ian. The OG companion.



Why you melon-fether..

Oh yeah, that guy. To use RvsB terms, he's a team killing fether.
Giving him an automatic weapon is the mother of all mistakes, made even worse by the lack of a companion control system.
Hell, even with a single fire weapon, he can still somehow miss the deathclaw right in front of him and shoot me in the eye

There was a Legion companion, it was Ulysses. As has been discussed before Bethesda only gave Obsidian a year to make New Vegas, so cuts had to be made. It was decided then that everything across the Colorado, bar Caesar's camp, had to go. Ulysses too had to be cut, but at least made it back as DLC. Josh Sawyer has said that he regrets cutting out the Legion's content as it makes them come across as one sided villains, whereas you were supposed to see the logic behind the Legion mindset (their society is a harsh one, but under them the central United States is a stable society, unlike the NCR. However it is also repressive. Raul conversely could be considered a Legion companion as he used to live in their territory as is positive that with their coming it isn't the chaotic wasteland it once was).

Long story short though most people don't really get into the nuances of the politics involved in the game and just see the factions at face value rather than drilling down a bit or considering them from the perspective of the people involved. The joke is that the Legion act just like the Romans did, albeit a mildy twisted version of them, and whilst the Romans are viewed as a great society the Legion are looked down on. Like I said context is key.

Aye though, as far as design decisions go remember that Obsidian were really shafted with the amount of development time they got (as they always are, *cough* KotoR II) and there was a hell of a lot more content besides the Legion which had to be cut. =P

 Wyrmalla wrote:


Long story short though most people don't really get into the nuances of the politics involved in the game and just see the factions at face value rather than drilling down a bit or considering them from the perspective of the people involved. The joke is that the Legion act just like the Romans did, albeit a mildy twisted version of them, and whilst the Romans are viewed as a great society the Legion are looked down on. Like I said context is key.

Not...entirely. The Romans were quite industrious, and were open to new advancements, unlike the legion who to me appears stagnant. The Romans were certainly viscious, but at the same time they developed feats of engineering and technology. For example, their cities had plumbing, which would not reappear in Europe until the 19th century.

I understand the legion's view on tech, how the old world was corrupt, and that corruption was what brought down human civilization, and that's fine. I don't necessarily agree with it but I get the concept.
What's not fine is that they are still happy to use advanced military tech that they come across, and that seems contradictory to me.

What would have been more interesting is if they didn't use weapons and equipment they scavenge, but instead craft their own. There could have been a wise man mystic sort of thing (tech-priests ), such as ex FotA members (like Caesar, except he's the one in charge), where a few individuals have in depth knowledge of certain fields, and this knowledge is used to make legion equipment.
Or something like that.

So yeah, undeveloped faction is undeveloped.
If only Beth gave them more time. A year just isn't enough.

The Legion do make their own equipment, its the highest ranks who use the pre-war stuff (who are at times above the laws of the Legion due to their rank; count the ones who take drugs). Most of its reclaimed scavenged material, for instance their machetes are sharpened blades from lawnmowers. Then you have their chariots:



Again though, you sit there and spend the time making all those new weapon models when you could just give them existing ones. Development time... As far as "wise men" or whatever go they do the Roman thing of adopting traits from those cultures they conquer, but prefer to have a standardized equipment pool. They don't want the hassle of having a myriad of hard to support tech when mass produced low tier stuff is easier to deal with (and doesn't have one particular group think that its any different from the rest of the Legion). Of course their whole culture's based on the views of two men who had to take some extreme decisions mixed in with a largely tribal backbone, so it being a bit nonsensical is a given. Mind though that the Legion isn't all that makes up their society, and there's plenty of civilian settlements in their lands which are permitted to carry on as they like, if they shackle themselves by the Legion laws (and they may well want to use robots or other tech, but the tribal Legionaries who police them are distrustful of such things).

Yeah, I did like how they make their own machetes. Seeing that blacksmith sharpening swords in the Fort was a nice touch.

Pre-war tech isn't just exclusive to high ranks though; you see fairly low ranking soldiers wielding fire-arms as well.

If the availability of advanced weapons was determined by rank, then why not give the officer a freshly legion-manufactured rifle?
It doesn't have to anything fancy; a railway rifle appears to suit the legion nicely.
Wouldn't that fit in more with the legion philosophy, rather than just picking up an old-world rifle?

Speaking of old-school Companions....

Never, ever, for any reason whatsoever, give Sulik in FO2 a sub-machinegun. He will, assuredly, kill you with it within 3 combats of giving it to him. As he starts out standing almost directly behind you in any combat, his first action is to whip the thing out and go full-auto... directly into your back.

Leave him the spear and the hammer, that's it. You're good.

 Psienesis wrote:
Speaking of old-school Companions....

Never, ever, for any reason whatsoever, give Sulik in FO2 a sub-machinegun. He will, assuredly, kill you with it within 3 combats of giving it to him. As he starts out standing almost directly behind you in any combat, his first action is to whip the thing out and go full-auto... directly into your back.

Leave him the spear and the hammer, that's it. You're good.

I found he is quite proficient with the .223 pistol myself.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
There was just something about leaving Vault 101 for the first time, and seeing the damaged but still standing Washington Monument in the distance.

It was a moment.

The Auld Grump

Bethesda designed that experience exceedingly well, it was very powerful and well done, with that huge vista full of magnificent ruins and wonder, an the Envclave Eye-bot spewing propaganda as one of the first things you meet in the ruined town giving you a hint of what was to come.

Aside from the the "dad" relationship dominating too much of the story, I thought FO3 was exceptionally well done. New Vegas was also great, but was also a bit odd in that it's the only fallout where you're effectively a free agent, who isn't trying to save a small community (be it Vault 13, Arroyo, or Vault 101). From what I hear of Fallout 4, ti's likely to be similar to New Vegas in that way.

Except you weren't trying to save Vault 101. The mission was never "save the vault" it was more "find your dad".
Yeah, stepping out of the vault in FO3 was impressive, I'll give it that.

You know it's a well made thing when the Simpsons make a reference to it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Speaking of old-school Companions....

Never, ever, for any reason whatsoever, give Sulik in FO2 a sub-machinegun. He will, assuredly, kill you with it within 3 combats of giving it to him. As he starts out standing almost directly behind you in any combat, his first action is to whip the thing out and go full-auto... directly into your back.

Leave him the spear and the hammer, that's it. You're good.

I found he is quite proficient with the .223 pistol myself.

Proficient at shooting you in the back, maybe.

 Psienesis wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Speaking of old-school Companions....

Never, ever, for any reason whatsoever, give Sulik in FO2 a sub-machinegun. He will, assuredly, kill you with it within 3 combats of giving it to him. As he starts out standing almost directly behind you in any combat, his first action is to whip the thing out and go full-auto... directly into your back.

Leave him the spear and the hammer, that's it. You're good.

I found he is quite proficient with the .223 pistol myself.

Proficient at shooting you in the back, maybe.

Now now, he only hits you in the back 50% of the time.
That's a considerable improvement over giving him a SMG.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Except you weren't trying to save Vault 101. The mission was never "save the vault" it was more "find your dad".

Screw 101. When you get back there, save everyone and settle them for peace, they THROW YOU OUT. Even your almost-girlfriend Amanda suddenly scoffs at you, asking you very unpolitely to leave.

Except for your childhood nemesis Butch - who follows you out! (He's kinda a jerk- but you did save his mom.)

The Auld Grump

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Except you weren't trying to save Vault 101. The mission was never "save the vault" it was more "find your dad".

Screw 101. When you get back there, save everyone and settle them for peace, they THROW YOU OUT. Even your almost-girlfriend Amanda suddenly scoffs at you, asking you very unpolitely to leave.

Except for your childhood nemesis Butch - who follows you out! (He's kinda a jerk- but you did save his mom.)

The Auld Grump

In your game, maybe

I do hope bumberswords make a comback. I liked those, and make them customizable

"Oh no Butch, don't go charging that super mutant with your switchblade, that would be a tragedy, whatever will I tell your drunk mom?"

 BrookM wrote:
"Oh no Butch, don't go charging that super mutant with your switchblade, that would be a tragedy, whatever will I tell your drunk mom?"

Now, in the first two games, you had packs of C4 (I think that was the name), and you can manual set the detonation time.
So you could, for example, set it, stick one in some poor bastard's pocket and run off while he explodes and kills every other poor bastard around him.

Such a pity you couldn't do that with Butch :(

You can (I think). Reverse pickpocket grenades. Might require a perk, not sure...

Exploding pants just requires a good stealth.

 Tyr13 wrote:
You can (I think). Reverse pickpocket grenades. Might require a perk, not sure...

The delay isn't long enough though, so you can't turn one of your companions into an improvised explosive.
Unless you have a fear of your own limbs, of course.

You definitely could in 'vegas. I think the C4 actually used the detonator too IIRC.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
You definitely could in 'vegas. I think the C4 actually used the detonator too IIRC.

Really? I have to try that.
Shenanigans will be had

I never played the first 2 Fallout games, but I have access to them via a friend's steam library. After looking through this thread I'll have to download them though. (To be honest the only Fallout game I've gone into any depth in is New Vegas, much to my shame)