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 Goliath wrote:
So what sort of build are people going for?

I finally managed to start playing at about 10pm last night, and I seem to be drifting towards a fairly sneaky high INT/PER/AGI build, with a bit of strength so that I can actually carry the junk I'm using to upgrade my stuff.

I started with a 10 CHA, 10 INT character but given how fighty the game seems to be now, I restarted and toned it down to 5's across AGI, INT, CHA, PER, with the spare bonus point to luck. I plan to just pimp out base building and crafting perks and focus on building up Sanctuary for a while with the odd venture out on a mission when I get bored.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
From the rest of the post I quote the above from it seems like the Fallout games are not really your cup of tea. Kind of like buying a road bike and then complaining that you can't to half pipes or crash down mountain trails on it...

For those of us who, you know, seem to actually like the game it is pretty good as is. And certainly will be for a while at least!

I'm a Fallout fan, in the sense of having played the whole franchise (even the early 00s console spin-offs). I find FO3 to be a fun but ultimately average game, quite good for its exploration part, poor as a shooter (game ran on an outdated engine completely unsuited for shooters) and with a dismal narrative (haven't tried FO4 yet but from their previous games, Bethesda can't write a decent script even for their lives). FNV was way better although still suffering from the engine issue.

So, has FO4 truly adressed and solved the problems FO3 had? It seems they improved in the shooting department, although to be honest I'm fairly skeptical, Skyrim's engine wouldn't have been my choice for a shooter either.

 Goliath wrote:
So what sort of build are people going for?

I finally managed to start playing at about 10pm last night, and I seem to be drifting towards a fairly sneaky high INT/PER/AGI build, with a bit of strength so that I can actually carry the junk I'm using to upgrade my stuff.

Just cleared out the USAF base near sanctuary and got a nice buff to my sneaking for my troubles, and I'm probably gonna spend some time fixing Sanctuary for a while.

Also, with regards to the modding conversation; I like the idea in principle, but I put the basic highly recommended mods on my New Vegas game, and it broke it; it kept on just dropping straight to desktop or blue-screening, which isn't ideal. Hopefully the modding system for this one will be slightly more rigorous.

NV was never very good for modding, you have to be pretty careful with it. The skyrim modding scene is pretty good (and with the nexus mod manager, it does all the install/uninstall and download work for you). Since this is being built of the skyrim engine, it should be reasonably solid, just do a little research about incompatibilities (it will generally say what specific or general kinds of mods they will be incompatible with in the description) and you should b fine. Also, loading it up with mods doesn't help. When you have 150-200+ on any system that isn't pretty resilient, it can cause some super-long loading times.

I'm pretty excited to find out what people will do. There are some amazing quest mods out there, even mods that add DLC-sized quests and areas to explore (or in the case of Project Brazil, a whole new game).


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 Korinov wrote:


I'm a Fallout fan, in the sense of having played the whole franchise (even the early 00s console spin-offs). I find FO3 to be a fun but ultimately average game, quite good for its exploration part, poor as a shooter (game ran on an outdated engine completely unsuited for shooters) and with a dismal narrative (haven't tried FO4 yet but from their previous games, Bethesda can't write a decent script even for their lives). FNV was way better although still suffering from the engine issue.

So, has FO4 truly adressed and solved the problems FO3 had? It seems they improved in the shooting department, although to be honest I'm fairly skeptical, Skyrim's engine wouldn't have been my choice for a shooter either.

It was the story that really killed it for me. It was so dull and uninteresting. After playing NV, which had very interesting narratives, both in the main story-line and in side-quests, it was a real disappointment.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
It was the story that really killed it for me. It was so dull and uninteresting. After playing NV, which had very interesting narratives, both in the main story-line and in side-quests, it was a real disappointment.

Really?

I was totally un-invested in the story in NV. Most of the side quests were pretty pants as well. Just played through them and the DLC not knowing what the hell was going on or really nor caring about anyone or anything involved most of the time. I think the first time I played NV I completed the game in about 5 hours without even touching 95% of the game and didn't even realise. Having gone back through it trying to complete every quest before doing the main story line, it is all just so bitty and petty.

I found FO3 involving though.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Also, loading it up with mods doesn't help. When you have 150-200+ on any system that isn't pretty resilient, it can cause some super-long loading times.

My system is pretty resilient, I would say; and I had a grand total of 6 things installed None of which were stated to be incompatible with each other

Huh, that's odd. I've never has problems like that. Have you tired checking you installation of them, and made sure you were using the NVSE?


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 SilverMK2 wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
It was the story that really killed it for me. It was so dull and uninteresting. After playing NV, which had very interesting narratives, both in the main story-line and in side-quests, it was a real disappointment.

Really?

I was totally un-invested in the story in NV. Most of the side quests were pretty pants as well. Just played through them and the DLC not knowing what the hell was going on or really nor caring about anyone or anything involved most of the time. I think the first time I played NV I completed the game in about 5 hours without even touching 95% of the game and didn't even realise. Having gone back through it trying to complete every quest before doing the main story line, it is all just so bitty and petty.

I found FO3 involving though.

I didn't at all. I found the characters of NV interesting and unique. There was a lot more depth to the story and the factions. Even the faction that was portrayed as the "bad" faction, the legion, had some positives behind it. The land controlled by the legion is orderly, free of bandits and raiders. Now, they didn't actually have time to finish the legion lands (because bethsesda gave them 18 months, when most games take 2 years at minimum), so it's a bit harder to fins that out, but siding with the legion is by far one of the more interesting paths to take. And there's another thing I liked, it allowed me to choose which path I go on. Do I want to side with the legion, is the bad really worth the good? Or the NCR, a force for good, for democracy, for freedom, but bogged down in bureaucracy, corruption, and a failing economy. Or Mr. House, an old-world force, powerful, but self obsessed, and with weakening chains, not even able to keep his own in check. Or do you want to go it alone, lead the Mojave in to a bright future of your own creation. And that's not even touching on the minor factions. And each companion was well thought out, with their own story-lines and quests behind them, which you can dramatically influence how they end up after the second battle for Hoover Dam.

And, with the exception of honest hearts (I love the characters, and the area was nice, but it was a bit short for my tastes) the DLCs were great. With Dead Money you had a very atmospheric quest-line and area. Extremely linear, but that's OK, because it fit the story-line. The characters were interesting, and the reward was very much worth it. With Old World Blues, it brings you into a land of mad science, with the highly unique (and extremely eccentric) mad scientists, and their creations. And finally, with Lonesome Road, you have the final confrontation with the original courier 6, and brings you back to the story of how you got there. Interesting narrative, interesting place (although I wish it has been a bit bigger), with some great rewards (advance riot armour FTW).

Yeah, I triple checked to make sure I was installing them and activating them correctly. For some reason if I accidentally pressed the wrong button by accident it would just drop to the desktop and lose any progress.

Oh well, I was only out £2.50 anyway

That is... odd. I've never had anything like that. The worst I've had is occasional CTDs when going into a new area, but that happens anyway with NV, and it always manged to auto-save first.

My copy of FO4 arrives via mail tomorrow.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
That is... odd. I've never had anything like that. The worst I've had is occasional CTDs when going into a new area, but that happens anyway with NV, and it always manged to auto-save first.

Yeah, it was irritating. I got as far as the powder gangers attacking the gas station with the town helping me, and gave up. It took about ten crashed before I got to that point, and I just couldn't be bothered to deal with that any more. I might try and uninstall and reinstall at some point, but probably not for a while.

I got into NV for the first time recently, during the wait for F4, but ended up with a major problem.

I have been going through Old World Blues. Mad science, strange experiments, and wheels within wheels schemes. what's not to love? However, every time I try and get my brain back, the conversation turns to the things we have seen, and that's where things bug out.

Obviously I have not done enough in the main game, as the conversation gets stuck in a loop about sending Bright and his followers into space, and reactivating Helios One. These are obviously the only things I have done so far that are noteworthy as the conversation goes Bright, Helios, Bright, Helios ad nausium.

Do you actually have to retrieve your brain before leaving the DLC? Because if you do, I may not play it again - especially now I have F4 on my computer to play through.

You do not need your brain (to play NV? ) to finish the dlc.

You get the choice of sweet talking your brain back into your head, or you can stick with the cybernetic replacement brain.


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Has anyone been to the giant flooded quarry east of Sanctuary? It was severely bugged for me, low res textures and I was clipping through the ground.

So you can leave and continue the rest of NV Brainless? I might just try that. I presume you need to just talk to Mobius and get told you can leave, or you have to break one of the forcefields.

However, I'm fully into F4 at the moment, can't wait to actually generate my character tonight. I'm going for a slightly modified version of the one I put up earlier

Str 3 for Armourer - access to base armour mods
Per 3 for Rifleman - increased chance to hit in VATS for 2 handed non-auto
End 2 for Lead Belly - less radiation from food and drink
Cha 2 for Lady Killer/Black Widow - increased damage and dialogue to members of the opposite sex
Int 6 for Science! - access to base energy weapon mods
Agi 6 for Avoidance
Luc 6 for better criticals.

Probably nabbing Science first, then better criticals, then avoidance, rifleman, armourer, LK/BW, then finally Lead Belly. After that will probably spend a few levels increasing Per, Str, And and Cha. I'll see what happens after that depending on what happens in-game.

IIRC, you can actually choose to return at a later date and swap out organs at will. Any Organs, original or cybernetic, which you're not using are stored in The Sink.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
So you can leave and continue the rest of NV Brainless? I might just try that. I presume you need to just talk to Mobius and get told you can leave, or you have to break one of the forcefields.

However, I'm fully into F4 at the moment, can't wait to actually generate my character tonight. I'm going for a slightly modified version of the one I put up earlier

Str 3 for Armourer - access to base armour mods
Per 3 for Rifleman - increased chance to hit in VATS for 2 handed non-auto
End 2 for Lead Belly - less radiation from food and drink
Cha 2 for Lady Killer/Black Widow - increased damage and dialogue to members of the opposite sex
Int 6 for Science! - access to base energy weapon mods
Agi 6 for Avoidance
Luc 6 for better criticals.

Probably nabbing Science first, then better criticals, then avoidance, rifleman, armourer, LK/BW, then finally Lead Belly. After that will probably spend a few levels increasing Per, Str, And and Cha. I'll see what happens after that depending on what happens in-game.

Spoiler-less tip: Be sure to return to your home and search the baby's room. Be sure to find a very SPECIAL book.

Did anybody manage to score a bottle of Nuka Cola Quantum from Target? I have the day off today and thought I'd drop by the local store to get one. Turns out I needed to be there when they opened yesterday morning to even have a chance at getting one.
Short story version: Target bought the rights to sell the soda (made by Jones Soda Co.) at the release of FO4. You would think it would be the kind of thing they would have cases of, filling the shelf. Turns out, Target, in its infinite wisdom, only supplied about 12-24 bottles per store. With no official limits per customer, and online ordering allowed. And, supposedly, many bottles were bought up by store employees before customers could get to them.

Yeah, Target failed horribly on that promotion.

Just found that ghoul infested Super Duper Mart from the trailer. Time to go shopping! Whilst dodging hordes of irradiated zombies...


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Does anyone else sing along with the radio?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Did anybody manage to score a bottle of Nuka Cola Quantum from Target? I have the day off today and thought I'd drop by the local store to get one. Turns out I needed to be there when they opened yesterday morning to even have a chance at getting one.
Short story version: Target bought the rights to sell the soda (made by Jones Soda Co.) at the release of FO4. You would think it would be the kind of thing they would have cases of, filling the shelf. Turns out, Target, in its infinite wisdom, only supplied about 12-24 bottles per store. With no official limits per customer, and online ordering allowed. And, supposedly, many bottles were bought up by store employees before customers could get to them.

Yeah, Target failed horribly on that promotion.

Wow thats lame :/

Anyone else realized the loot is randomly generated? Loaded up a save file from earlier and the loot was all different inside containers.

Was it random before? I didn't think it was, but I might be derping...

Loot is random now and more influenced by your Luck perks.

The loot was always level and container based randomization, AFAIK. Although they have made it more so.

Ok, I absolutely love the Flame paint job:



For the #PcMasterRace, there's a guide that helps unlock more options for further enjoyment of the game:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=551069501

I'm currently trying to fiddle with the FOV, it's the one thing that's bugging me in Fallout.

Seems like I'm the only one using Codsworth as the companion...

Made him go into a Rad zone to retrieve loot. Robot friend FTW!

Wonder if the mutt can do that?

Probably, it wouldn't make sense for them to take lethal damage, as they just get knocked down instead of dying, so they would just get stuck there. And, in any case, they have health regen, so they should be fine.

Yeah, I don't think Dogmeat will take any rad damage and he does know how to fetch,

Oh crazy Fallout scenes, how I love to find you. In an hotel room:


Yep, Fallout

The main story plot is as disappointing as expected and extremely predictable. Meh.

Then again, who plays FO for the story? That's like watching porn for the plot.

I love how one of those mannequins appears to have powers of telekinesis.

Met the Brotherhood of Steel Pad in companion, who offers to recruit you into the Brotherhood. But Preston Garvey got pissy, complaining that I have a responsibility to lead the Minutemen.

Is it one or the other? Which factions are mutually exclusive?


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Also, how do you recruit more settlers? I've built the radio beacon, powered it up, made sure we have ample supplies of food water and beds.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Conrad Turner wrote:
So you can leave and continue the rest of NV Brainless? I might just try that. I presume you need to just talk to Mobius and get told you can leave, or you have to break one of the forcefields.

However, I'm fully into F4 at the moment, can't wait to actually generate my character tonight. I'm going for a slightly modified version of the one I put up earlier

Str 3 for Armourer - access to base armour mods
Per 3 for Rifleman - increased chance to hit in VATS for 2 handed non-auto
End 2 for Lead Belly - less radiation from food and drink
Cha 2 for Lady Killer/Black Widow - increased damage and dialogue to members of the opposite sex
Int 6 for Science! - access to base energy weapon mods
Agi 6 for Avoidance
Luc 6 for better criticals.

Probably nabbing Science first, then better criticals, then avoidance, rifleman, armourer, LK/BW, then finally Lead Belly. After that will probably spend a few levels increasing Per, Str, And and Cha. I'll see what happens after that depending on what happens in-game.

Spoiler-less tip: Be sure to return to your home and search the baby's room. Be sure to find a very SPECIAL book.

I found that whilst in The Sims mode, and since it didn't do anything in the pre-War intro I just assumed it was a reference prop.

Guess what got immediately trashed.

EDIT: Checked my workshop on the off-chance the game had saved it. It had. Problem solved. Panic over.