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Companions in PA is a nightmare though. They keep breaking bits! One fight and Curie is just wearing the torso armour... :(
(though interesting fact: Companions dont need fusion cores in their armour. <.< )

Yeah that's one thing that kind of bugged me about building settlements.. even if you clean up all the junk that's all over the place, it still looks all junked up because there's no way to really clean up everything. I want to build a nuclear wasteland utopia!

 Necros wrote:
Yeah that's one thing that kind of bugged me about building settlements.. even if you clean up all the junk that's all over the place, it still looks all junked up because there's no way to really clean up everything. I want to build a nuclear wasteland utopia!

Or fix damaged houses.

See if i keep seeing animations of people in sanctuary fixing houses i would expect them to finish eventually :/

Am I the only one thinking they are gearing up for a war between the ncr and the brotherhood of steel, the ncr are taking the West, brotherhood from the east, me thinks they are gonna meet at some point in the middle and a massive war will break out.

 Soladrin wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
So... I just saw on a wiki page (I was looking for where I can get Piper... turns out she's already available to me, lol)...


Apparently you can make your companions wear power armor...

How did you miss either of these things? I've had Hancock running around in raider power armor for ages (Because I can!).

On Piper... I "missed" her because when she became available as a companion, I was running with Dogmeat, and at this point in the game had completely forgotten about her.

On the other, no idea really... but I only just yesterday figured out how to establish a supply line, lol. Im more innit to kill things

A tip regarding supply lines. You don't need to connect all settlements directly to your main hub (e.g. Sanctuary) like the spokes on a wheel. You can connect everything in one continuous line, A - B - C - D - E. Everything in that line will be connected with everything else. It's less messy and uses up fewer settlers.

Your supply network should be more like a circle than a spiders web.

The whole settlement thing is abysmally done. The fact I had to even look up how to do supply lines was bad enough, but the way it's so clunky to manage. Oh you're a provisioner? From where? To where? Settlers don't stand at the stores you assign them, wander off into the wilderness or worst of all, bemoan a lack of food until you *tell* them to go work the crops. They're beyond useless, needing you to literally hold their hand and point at the exact crop you want done. And heaven forbid they actually *harvest* crops and expand them. Or build themselves a bed or anything else. No no, you, the lone survivor must not only run across the entire Commonwealth clearing out ghouls, super mutants and raiders (and rescuing that damn Abernathy girl over and over) but you, and only you, can organise beds, defenses or food/water. Oh sure you're also supplying all the materials for everything, lugging it all about the place while you risk your life, but that won't stop settler Bob from bitching about the living conditions to you. After all, you drove the raiders off for them, certainly it's up to you to organise their beds and dinner too. Ugh.

My second play through is completely ignoring the Minutemen and settlements. Useless drains that provide nothing.

I suppose you could lay in wait on the roads between settlements and ambush your own provisioners.


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Settlements and crafting actually give a huge amount of XP. I must have had the equivalent of 15 levels or more of xp from crafting and settlement building alone.

I have no idea how many levels I got from it, but looking back after the play through is done, what does it matter? It didn't profit me *at all* to spend that time running about making their lives better. It's just creating more work for yourself. In the end I shut down all the beacons because I didn't want more whiny mouths to feed.

The entire process is self defeating. If I don't liberate Settlement X I don't get to use the workshop. But that's ok because quick travel means I'm precisely the same travel time from my base. Plus if I don't liberate it, i don't have to build a beacon. Which means I don't have to build beds, water treatment, power, defenses and everything else. I don't have to periodically clear out nearby threats, rescue kidnapped settlers or fend of raids/attacks.

Ultimately settlements are a waste of time. Sure you get XP but there's plenty of XP out there. I mean if you enjoy all the building, go your hardest. It was certainly entertaining *once* but I'll skip it this time.

Never came across a downside of letting the Settlements all live horrible lives in one bed per 15 people with no defenses. You can just ignore them and nothing bad comes of it. You can even Sandman Kill the ones in the bed when you need to have a quick kip and leave the corpse by the bed. If no one sees it, no one cares. It can be just a fun little side game that makes no difference. Like building a house on top of the main building in Bunker Hill. That's a good time. Or rebuilding the Castle with concrete and making it look pretty.

Just restarting as a new character. Going to play as an avenging daemon who is not happy at all about the world being destroyed and is very much out to destroy what is left of the world

So, it turns out that you can't use power fists with power armor.
Which is both lame and illogical.
The Power First was added in Fallout 1 to give unarmed specialists a viable late game weapon that would work thematically with a suit of power armor.
Wtf bethesda?

Yeah I was pretty annoyed when I found that out myself.

 Formosa wrote:
Am I the only one thinking they are gearing up for a war between the ncr and the brotherhood of steel, the ncr are taking the West, brotherhood from the east, me thinks they are gonna meet at some point in the middle and a massive war will break out.

Fallout 5: St. Louis

BoS traditionally don't want land though. One of the things I don't like about Bethesda's portrayal of them is as an all-conquoring army. They are a secret cult of donkey-cave technophiles that make surgical strikes from small, hidden bunkers.

 djones520 wrote:

Fallout 5: St. Louis

St Louis already has enough exposed nuclear pile laying around though. It doesn't quite offer the sprawling urban wastelasnd either.

My vote's for Chicago. Allows for a similar premise and gives a place more people can relate to.

 Alex C wrote:
BoS traditionally don't want land though. One of the things I don't like about Bethesda's portrayal of them is as an all-conquoring army. They are a secret cult of donkey-cave technophiles that make surgical strikes from small, hidden bunkers.

in the west I totally agree, but they have taken over the east, or at least totally occupied Washington state and surrounding areas, one can only assume they will continue to expand as they get new recruits and the need for food, water, space etc. grows, the comment about them taking over the capital wasteland has changed everything about them, they are clearly no longer insular, but a very real presence in the east, just as the NCR is in the west, give it a decade or 2 and I honestly think they will meet at some point, seeing what the NCR did to the west coast brotherhood, I cannot see the encounter being peaceful, WW4...

What did NCR do to the BOS? They didn't have much interaction on the west coast from what I remember of Fallout 1/2, and I have more knowledge of that than most.

Well, there were conflicts over the normal BoS things (i.e. NCR going after tech). Come the time of NV, the BoS has mostly been force back to hiding in their bunkers.

Okay, I don't think I got that from NV. Didn't play it that much, to be honest. I could see that though, and I might need to give it a second chance, given how close to the originals people are saying it was.

I'd heartily recommend it. There is a great amount of choice and options within.

 daedalus wrote:
What did NCR do to the BOS? They didn't have much interaction on the west coast from what I remember of Fallout 1/2, and I have more knowledge of that than most.

Due to political and ideological differences, the ncr effectively wiped out the brotherhood, they have been either forced into hiding, defected to the ncr, killed or fled, we meet the ones that have fled the ncr in new Vegas, from a logical standpoint I can understand the ncr not wanting a highly disciplined army that is well motivated and equipped living under its feet, that it has no control over, also the brotherhood refuses to integrate any kind of abhuman (ghouls etc.) and the ncr does allow them (maybe not super mutants), fallout tactics as far as I know is not canon though, so the brotherhood will not accept any of these.

This clearly led to a conflict of interests between the two parties and as a result, the brotherhood was broken in the West.

This appears to be the complete opposite to what happened in the East, Capital wasteland was stabilised, then the brotherhood took over before they could be turned on, I feel sorry for what has aboviosly happened to any super mutant or ghoul in the East that the brotherhood gets its hands on, I can't imagine living under the totalitarian regime of the brotherhood is nice either, which is a shame, as they are clearly commiting the same mistakes of the old world.

Hope that helped.

The BoS on the east coast, under Elder Lyons, decided to actually try to make things better for the people living there and act as protectors and guardians. That ideology certainly changed due to the events of FO3 and the reintegration of the splinter faction that had wanted to stay true to the BoS's core beliefs. The BoS have always had something of a "might makes right" mentality. The BoS in the west were rightly disabused of that notion, but still refused to adapt as seen in F:NV, and are dying out because of it. The BoS in the east have adapted, by being more inclusive of outsiders and working towards governing those they see as under their protection. However, they are still very much under the mindset that they know what is right, because they have the might, and you don't.

That's the point I'm making tan, it seems the new game is saying the Conservative brotherhood won, as the brotherhood you meat in Boston are extremely hostile, Puriton BOS.

 Formosa wrote:
That's the point I'm making tan, it seems the new game is saying the Conservative brotherhood won, as the brotherhood you meat in Boston are extremely hostile, Puriton BOS.

Yeah, canon is that



so I'm left to wonder if siding with the Institute is actually better or worse...

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
That's the point I'm making tan, it seems the new game is saying the Conservative brotherhood won, as the brotherhood you meat in Boston are extremely hostile, Puriton BOS.

Yeah, canon is that

Spoiler:

Lyons and his daughter are dead, and the last of the hard liners has taken control. They took Rivet City's reactor to make that huge airship you see,

so I'm left to wonder if siding with the Institute is actually better or worse...

Well, only one of the two

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
That's the point I'm making tan, it seems the new game is saying the Conservative brotherhood won, as the brotherhood you meat in Boston are extremely hostile, Puriton BOS.

Yeah, canon is that

Spoiler:

Lyons and his daughter are dead, and the last of the hard liners has taken control. They took Rivet City's reactor to make that huge airship you see,

so I'm left to wonder if siding with the Institute is actually better or worse...

Well, only one of the two

Spoiler:

creates androids that kill people in the middle of the night to replace them

The other commits genocide.
The FO4 BoS is more like the Enclave than the BoS.
Just paint their armor black and give them a bio weapon, and you're good to go.
The only difference is that their idea of genetic purity doesn't extend to the human populace.

Ghouls and supermutants are a threat to humanity, though.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Ghouls and supermutants are a threat to humanity, though.

Even Marcus, and the Supermutant inhabitants of the NCR? Remember that in Fallout 2 there was a Super Mutant ranger.
What of the sentient ghouls, who managed to successfully integrate into human society?
Also keep in mind that the BoS just have a different concept of mutation than the Enclave; the Enclave thought that anyone who wasn't born on that rig was a mutant.
The BoS will still shoot anyone who has an extra toe.