Grav guns are killing the game?

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**CrashGordon94**

I figure "re-roll the result" is referring to how you can re-roll glances to upgrade to pens but must keep the second result or something like that.
...Completely irrelevant to Grav but it wouldn't be the first time GW forgot how their bloody rules work...

**Pain4Pleasure**

Each roll is it's own roll, and each wound is it's own wound and hit it's own hit. Dboy is starting to confuse others now. Dang it

**Dman137**

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Grav weapons don't re-roll failed to wound rolls. Grav-amps specifically say re-roll the result. That's means you have to reroll all the dice, successful and failed.

Whoever told you that eldar boy lied.

Know one told me its in the rules lol go look it up and show me where it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls
Each to-wound roll occurs in a single die, regardless of how many there are.

When the rulebook is talking about having to reroll everything, they're talking about things like Ld tests that are taken on mulutple dice (e.g. a 2d6 roll). A grav amp doesn't mean you have to reroll everything.

This. So dboy, you're wrong.

In the Grav-amp rules it does not say "re-roll failed to wound rolls" it's says "re-roll the result" so unless you can't point to somewhere in the rules were it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls then your wrong and you must re-roll all the dice you can't pick and choose

**Pain4Pleasure**

The result of what? The wound. Unless you're saying the grav amp doesn't work at all since it just say a result but the result of what?

Rule 1 please, motyak

**TheCustomLime**

Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Grav weapons don't re-roll failed to wound rolls. Grav-amps specifically say re-roll the result. That's means you have to reroll all the dice, successful and failed.

Whoever told you that eldar boy lied.

Know one told me its in the rules lol go look it up and show me where it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls
Each to-wound roll occurs in a single die, regardless of how many there are.

When the rulebook is talking about having to reroll everything, they're talking about things like Ld tests that are taken on mulutple dice (e.g. a 2d6 roll). A grav amp doesn't mean you have to reroll everything.

This. So dboy, you're wrong.

In the Grav-amp rules it does not say "re-roll failed to wound rolls" it's says "re-roll the result" so unless you can't point to somewhere in the rules were it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls then your wrong and you must re-roll all the dice you can't pick and choose

That assumes that the "result" refers to all the dice rolled and that "Rerolling the result" means you have to reroll all dice if you want to invoke the rule.

**Pain4Pleasure**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Grav weapons don't re-roll failed to wound rolls. Grav-amps specifically say re-roll the result. That's means you have to reroll all the dice, successful and failed.

Whoever told you that eldar boy lied.

Know one told me its in the rules lol go look it up and show me where it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls
Each to-wound roll occurs in a single die, regardless of how many there are.

When the rulebook is talking about having to reroll everything, they're talking about things like Ld tests that are taken on mulutple dice (e.g. a 2d6 roll). A grav amp doesn't mean you have to reroll everything.

This. So dboy, you're wrong.

In the Grav-amp rules it does not say "re-roll failed to wound rolls" it's says "re-roll the result" so unless you can't point to somewhere in the rules were it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls then your wrong and you must re-roll all the dice you can't pick and choose

That assumes that the "result" refers to all the dice rolled and that "Rerolling the result" means you have to reroll all dice if you want to invoke the rule.

If it doesn't help and benefit eldar, he doesn't like it and will argue. He is one of "those" players

**Dman137**

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
The result of what? The wound. Unless you're saying the grav amp doesn't work at all since it just say a result but the result of what? Man, you're hard to teach. Almost isn't worth it with you.

EDIT: if I ever played you and you tried your little hardest to make me reroll all dice you're facial features would be altered in some form. Then I'd be up an army as well. Not saying how. Not threatening. These would just be the results of specific outcomes. Never disliked another member as much as you.

the result is both successful and failed when you roll dice the out come of the roll is the result. If you were suppose to re-roll only the fails then it would say so under the grav-amp rule.

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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Grav weapons don't re-roll failed to wound rolls. Grav-amps specifically say re-roll the result. That's means you have to reroll all the dice, successful and failed.

Whoever told you that eldar boy lied.

Know one told me its in the rules lol go look it up and show me where it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls
Each to-wound roll occurs in a single die, regardless of how many there are.

When the rulebook is talking about having to reroll everything, they're talking about things like Ld tests that are taken on mulutple dice (e.g. a 2d6 roll). A grav amp doesn't mean you have to reroll everything.

This. So dboy, you're wrong.

In the Grav-amp rules it does not say "re-roll failed to wound rolls" it's says "re-roll the result" so unless you can't point to somewhere in the rules were it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls then your wrong and you must re-roll all the dice you can't pick and choose

That assumes that the "result" refers to all the dice rolled and that "Rerolling the result" means you have to reroll all dice if you want to invoke the rule.

If it doesn't help and benefit eldar, he doesn't like it and will argue. He is one of "those" players

Show me in the rules for grav-amps where it says re-roll failed wound rolls.

**Pain4Pleasure**

Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
The result of what? The wound. Unless you're saying the grav amp doesn't work at all since it just say a result but the result of what? Man, you're hard to teach. Almost isn't worth it with you.

EDIT: if I ever played you and you tried your little hardest to make me reroll all dice you're facial features would be altered in some form. Then I'd be up an army as well. Not saying how. Not threatening. These would just be the results of specific outcomes. Never disliked another member as much as you.
the result is both successful and failed when you roll dice the out come of the roll is the result. If you were suppose to re-roll only the fails then it would say so under the grav-amp rule.

Do you not read what rules people are telling you exist? Please please, people are trying to help you. Honestly. You make it so hard when you blantly get rules so wrong. It is hard to read what you write and take you as a serious 40k player. I feel horrible for whom you play with

Edit: you said it says reroll the result. Each dice is a result. So choose which results you want to reroll. The dice as a whole are NOT a single result.

**TheCustomLime**

" the result is both successful and failed when you roll dice the out come of the roll is the result. If you were suppose to re-roll only the fails then it would say so under the grav-amp rule."

Where is that definition?

"Show me in the rules for grav-amps where it says re-roll failed wound rolls. "

Show me in the rules where you have to reroll all dice.

**Dman137**

TheCustomLime wrote:
" the result is both successful and failed when you roll dice the out come of the roll is the result. If you were suppose to re-roll only the fails then it would say so under the grav-amp rule."

Where is that definition?

"Show me in the rules for grav-amps where it says re-roll failed wound rolls. "

Show me in the rules where you have to reroll all dice.

Like I said if it don't say re-roll the failed then you have to re-roll all.

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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
The result of what? The wound. Unless you're saying the grav amp doesn't work at all since it just say a result but the result of what? Man, you're hard to teach. Almost isn't worth it with you.

EDIT: if I ever played you and you tried your little hardest to make me reroll all dice you're facial features would be altered in some form. Then I'd be up an army as well. Not saying how. Not threatening. These would just be the results of specific outcomes. Never disliked another member as much as you.
the result is both successful and failed when you roll dice the out come of the roll is the result. If you were suppose to re-roll only the fails then it would say so under the grav-amp rule.

Do you not read what rules people are telling you exist? Please please, people are trying to help you. Honestly. You make it so hard when you blantly get rules so wrong. It is hard to read what you write and take you as a serious 40k player. I feel horrible for whom you play with

Edit: you said it says reroll the result. Each dice is a result. So choose which results you want to reroll. The dice as a whole are NOT a single result.

it says the result on the failed result.

**TheCustomLime**

Dman137 wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
" the result is both successful and failed when you roll dice the out come of the roll is the result. If you were suppose to re-roll only the fails then it would say so under the grav-amp rule."

Where is that definition?

"Show me in the rules for grav-amps where it says re-roll failed wound rolls. "

Show me in the rules where you have to reroll all dice.

Like I said if it don't say re-roll the failed then you have to re-roll all.

It doesn't say you have to reroll all dice either and that condition is always specified.

On a side note, that rule also means you can reroll successful dice too if you wanted. Though I don't see why you would.

**Pain4Pleasure**

The result is not a single entity! Wow... Can lead a horse to water.. can't make it drink. I'm walking out on trying to help your ignorant thoughts. You're hopeless

**Dman137**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
" the result is both successful and failed when you roll dice the out come of the roll is the result. If you were suppose to re-roll only the fails then it would say so under the grav-amp rule."

Where is that definition?

"Show me in the rules for grav-amps where it says re-roll failed wound rolls. "

Show me in the rules where you have to reroll all dice.

Like I said if it don't say re-roll the failed then you have to re-roll all.

It doesn't say you have to reroll all dice either and that condition is always specified.

On a side note, that rule also means you can reroll successful dice too if you wanted. Though I don't see why you would.

This is a prime example of GW not writing there dexs properly. Why not just put "re-roll failed to wound rolls".? But no they put "result" result is anything, anything you roll is a result, they don't even say failed result, it just says re-roll the result.

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Pain4Pleasure wrote:
The result is not a single entity! Wow... Can lead a horse to water.. can't make it drink. I'm walking out on trying to help your ignorant thoughts. You're hopeless

quote a rule that says grav-amps let you re-roll failed to wound rolls.

**TheCustomLime**

And my interpretation is equally as valid. A single dice roll is as much of a "result" as all of the dice rolled. I agree it's a little vague but your interpretation relies on a lot more assumptions.

**Pain4Pleasure**

TheCustomLime wrote:
And my interpretation is equally as valid. A single dice roll is as much of a "result" as all of the dice rolled. I agree it's a little vague but your interpretation relies on a lot more assumptions.

And he will stick to it. You're talking to a wall... A not very sturdy wall you wouldn't wanna lean against. I commend your efforts.

**Vaktathi**

Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
Grav weapons don't re-roll failed to wound rolls. Grav-amps specifically say re-roll the result. That's means you have to reroll all the dice, successful and failed.

Whoever told you that eldar boy lied.

Know one told me its in the rules lol go look it up and show me where it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls
Each to-wound roll occurs in a single die, regardless of how many there are.

When the rulebook is talking about having to reroll everything, they're talking about things like Ld tests that are taken on mulutple dice (e.g. a 2d6 roll). A grav amp doesn't mean you have to reroll everything.

This. So dboy, you're wrong.

In the Grav-amp rules it does not say "re-roll failed to wound rolls" it's says "re-roll the result" so unless you can't point to somewhere in the rules were it says you re-roll failed to wound rolls then your wrong and you must re-roll all the dice you can't pick and choose

Yes, it says you can reroll the result "when rolling to wound". Note that "result" is singular, and is not using the plural "results". Each "to-wound" roll has it's own result. I've never seen anyone interpret the Grav-amp the way you're proposing here.

EDIT: also, in every instance in the rulebook where the word "result" is used, it's in reference to the outcome of a single roll (even if with multiple dice, e.g. 2d6), not the collective outcomes of multiple different rolls.

**Dman137**

TheCustomLime wrote:
And my interpretation is equally as valid. A single dice roll is as much of a "result" as all of the dice rolled. I agree it's a little vague but your interpretation relies on a lot more assumptions.

I'm not saying your interpretation isent valid, I'm just saying why put in the rule saying "result" when they could have just put "failed to wound rolls" like it's that way for every other weapon thy re-rolls to wound.

**Martel732**

He's trolling you guys so hard. Just stick him on ignore.

**Pain4Pleasure**

Martel732 wrote:
He's trolling you guys so hard. Just stick him on ignore.

Best advice in thread. Exalted

**TheCustomLime**

Dman137 wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
And my interpretation is equally as valid. A single dice roll is as much of a "result" as all of the dice rolled. I agree it's a little vague but your interpretation relies on a lot more assumptions.
I'm not saying your interpretation isent valid, I'm just saying why put in the rule saying "result" when they could have just put "failed to wound rolls" like it's that way for every other weapon thy re-rolls to wound.

Because the GW design studio doesn't play the same game as us despite using the same core rulebook. To them any vagueness of the rules can be quickly resolved by a friendly pre-game chat and that is good enough for $50+ rulebooks.

**Dman137**

TheCustomLime wrote:
Dman137 wrote:
TheCustomLime wrote:
And my interpretation is equally as valid. A single dice roll is as much of a "result" as all of the dice rolled. I agree it's a little vague but your interpretation relies on a lot more assumptions.
I'm not saying your interpretation isent valid, I'm just saying why put in the rule saying "result" when they could have just put "failed to wound rolls" like it's that way for every other weapon thy re-rolls to wound.

Because the GW design studio doesn't play the same game as us despite using the same core rulebook. To them any vagueness of the rules can be quickly resolved by a friendly pre-game chat and that is good enough for $50+ rulebooks.

you'd think that when your paying 50$+ a rule book or codex and 50$ a box of dudes that they would take the time to write clear cut rules.

**Yoyoyo**

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**NuggzTheNinja**

I run a Spawn rush list. Nothing makes me happier than seeing tons of Grav across the table from me.

**DarthSpader**

Grav didn't kill 40k. Allies shenanigans did. It tag team with challenges to pile drive 40k into the floor and smash it with a folding chair.

**Quickjager**

Dman, shame on me for replying to you but here is the logic used in why you are wrong in your interpretation of Grav Amps.

- I roll one die at a time, if it fails I reroll the result.

That is why the way you interpret the sentence is wrong. I hate grav and I go by RAI for most things. But here it is pretty clear on how you play it.

**motyak**

Well I think we've got all we can out of this thread, including several warnings. Let's stop here before we have more