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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

The FF tank is another one.. I think the design is alright (a bit on the nose) but again, it's in the price range I would expect from retail. That said, Mantic "has" been raising their prices. A lot of their stuff has made a drastic shift from "budget alternative" to "overpriced other guys". I hate to be so blunt about it but that's where it's at IMO.

I've noticed their prices going up, too. The metals and restics always seemed to be priced higher than I would appraise them (although I admit to being a cheap bastard), but the plastics went nuts when the Peacekeepers were going for something like $4 per mini. I get that they wanted to promote the big-savings box sets, and that those were more profitable for Mantic, but they just don't have many impulse-buy kits to draw in new customers at retail. The pledge managers, on the other hand, have had 20 for $20, or even 20 for $15, deals that have been very competitive, so long as you can meet the pledge manager window, buy items unseen, and can wait a year for them to arrive.

I haven't really thought about buying any Mantic products at retail since I saw the huge price hike on the Mars Attacks Giant Bugs. Well, I'll probably get some of their more-than-famous goblins just to try them out.

lol, yes pretty much this. For D&D I need a creature called a retriever which is basically a giant mutant spider.. I did not back the MA KS because of the board game pieces mentality and now that freakin mutant spider is about the only suitable model for what I need. MM has it for like $16 but when I looked at how much all those expansions and sets are marked up for after the KS.. WOW. Same happened with DZ and Dreadball. The prices shoot up to GW levels. I guess, in a way it's fortunate that Mantic seems to be as addicted to running Kickstarters as shopping carts as we are to buying from them.

Seriously though, looking at all of that.. if these are starting off at $30.. the MSRP is likely to be absurd.

decker_cky wrote:
I get the impression that the forgefather vehicles are much bigger than a Rhino, in which case the comparison doesn't make much sense. The vehicle is 60% off of the price GW charges for a landraider, which may be a better comparison.

That's still a terrible price for many reasons.

1. Landraiders and Rhinos feature in a setting with massive cultural penetration that could support a series of NYT bestselling novels. Mantic's vehicles feature in a free PDF anthology that even Mantic doesn't believe in enough to print and sell on paper. GW makes known quanities with iconic value, while Mantic makes ...not that.

2, Landraiders don't have faces.

3. Rhinos at least look like they are based on a real tank as opposed to a rolling door-stopper battlebot.

4. They are almost certainly smaller than you expect. Every single vehicle or walker I've bought from Mantic surprised me with its deceptively diminutive stature. I'd expect the Forgefather tank to be slightly bigger than a Robogear tank. A $6 Robogear tank. A $6 Robogear tank that doesn't have a face, but does have multiple assembly and armament options.

5. GW's prices should not be used as justification for anything, except possibly for cat-burglary.

 pretre wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Ouch....The kickstarter price on a transport is basically 25% off a GW vehicle of the same cost. Which makes me wonder what these are going to retail for.

Well, keep in mind that Mantic discounts are much easier to get than GW discounts once they hit retail. I forsee quite a few of these selling once that happens.

how are Mantic discounts much easier to get at retail???
GW at a discount is very easy to get, at least for US and UK customers...

i really like the look of the bionic Rottweiler!!!
that may be my first Mantic mini i actually pay money for (i got the free Ghouls back in 2010), if a version hits retail...
i have never been tempted to buy any of their sculpts yet, because i think most of them are ugly as sin (not to mention, restic is a no-go for me), but that doggie is way better than any Cyber-Mastiff GW have ever released...
well done, whoever sculpted that Rottie...

cheers
jah

Love the FF tank - will definitely do the 3 for $75 if they do that.

But that character.... Ugggggh. I will be modifying mine greatly.

PS: Does anybody else see the Forgefather tank as having Lo Pan pinkie nails or a Dr. Evil hand gesture?

Backed for the rules at the moment, but the I have too many Enforcers and FF Forge Guard to make either battleset worth picking up, and I'm not interested in starting another SF army at the moment. I'll watch for Asterians, and make up my mind based on what I see.

I actually rather like the tanks but not the commander :(

I might actually use Space Marine tanks for the FF. At least they don't look like something from Thundercats!

overtyrant wrote:
I might actually use Space Marine tanks for the FF. At least they don't look like something from Thundercats!

Now that you put it like that.. if the FF tanks really can be assembled into something like Voltron.. I might eat my words on the cost

I find it kind of amusing that Mantic chose to use the FF tank as two stretch goals (APC and Tank) knowing full well that it's the same freaking kit. For me, I am already looking at Daemonscape, Old Crow, or Puppetswar for alternatives. Some are way cheaper but none are very far over the cost of these.. oh.. and yeah they're already waiting.

EDIT: LOL, nevermind.. I have Titanforge tanks incoming. I completely forgot. They will be PERFECT.. bwahaha

I think up to now the Ramshackle games tanks are some of the best looking for Forge Fathers, have to see how these compare



I wish with the Forge Fathers that they would settle on one design aesthetic. Are these science fiction space fairers who are short and squat, with a utilitarian aspect? Or are they space dwarves with loads of ostentation? It looked like the former but then the new guy with the dwarf looks like he's been lifted straight from Fantasy!

How is the FF tank two stretch goals? It's a larger hard plastic kit and they're only asking 25k to unlock both variants, bits for both come in the same 30 dollar kit?

Or am I reading something incorrectly? Just been following loosely on my phone.

 GrimDork wrote:
How is the FF tank two stretch goals? It's a larger hard plastic kit and they're only asking 25k to unlock both variants, bits for both come in the same 30 dollar kit?

Or am I reading something incorrectly? Just been following loosely on my phone.

The extra turret options mentioned in the alpha rules will be added later through another stretch goal. You currently get both the apc and standard tank in this stretch goal. Considering it adds the turret and dozerblade (I assume) it's probably another sprue.

i hope that you guys dont mind a general mantic question here but since the thread seems to have a lot of traction i thought that id ask.

How do I build the outpost they show in the picture for the fortified district?

It's hard to describe but the picture shows a reinforced corner piece on all 4 corners but you only get 3 in the box. There are also pieces that look like walls with closed windows however they are not walls they are meant to attach to a wall but the only walls that you get are not flat so they cannot attach to them. There are also pieces that look like fortified columns that are meant to join two walls together however you can't use them because again, the walls are not flat.
Are there instructions anywhere?

---Trying to help on the scenery---
TLDR: Battlezones are kind of like legos, a lot of people won't build it like it is on the box, so extra pieces are useful. Missing pieces are lame, but its probably because of the nature of the sprues, the sprues were made before that specific building kit was on offer. Though if you only get three corners its a tad misleading.

Hmm interesting. That could be a case of their resident hobby wizard making things work behind the scenes while the kit itself doesn't do it without a bit of editing. I mean the sprues come with what they come with and you can build them like legos anyhow you want... though I understand wanting to be able to build the picture on the box.

May be a case of the lego people getting it right and Mantic having a bit of a lag in their show-off-art and packaging departments.

The parts you're talking about that look like walls but are meant to attach, those are the ones you can see in the picture on the right side next to the dish? They definitely fit the thinner standard battlezone tiles better than they do the thicker fortified tiles. I think to make it look like the picture there must have been some cutting or filing going on beneath them. I don't have as much gripes with the fortification stuff because I've got a lot of battlezones and you can get around things sometimes if you have a lot of pieces to mix and match, others may have better solutions.



---on topic---
Ahh, I hadn't read the warpath rules thoroughly enough to know all of the flavors of beard-tank. I don't care if it takes another stretch goal, if they add another sprue to the tank without making it cost more... then the tank becomes more valuable. I do understand why someone may be upset about the 'fake stretch goals' thing, though its never really bothered me personally. I'll just be excited if the tanks are as versatile as the steel warriors.

Re the Fort I've seen pictures of it from another angle and it uses the X Frames behind the reinforced sections not the walls that come on the sprue - they don't work with the reinforced sections and neither do the corners. As for the missing corner piece that's unfortunately how they split the kit up with 3 sprues.

 jorny wrote:
I am a bit disappointed that they are going so far with the viking dwarfs in space theme. It is not very imaginative. The sculpt even has a winged helmet and metal umlauts in its name. I mean do englishspeakers even understand how silly a name like Bröno sounds?

Maybe he does a lot for charity.

Being fair it is only one character model, but I'm with you that I hope this doesn't see a wholesale change in aesthetic direction. The slight nods were enough, IMO.

Just seen the Titan Forge tank and wow! I'll use them for my FF tanks!

 Alex C wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
115$ for whatever is in the boxset is pretty good considering that's the cost of a standard bearer + horn blower from GW Age of Sigmar :p

Even if they're old models..

and by old models you mean models that haven't actually been released

"There's nothing new!"

I already paid to have these models developed and eventually delivered. So no, for all purposes that don't involve being intentionally obtuse, they're not new, even if they don't physically exist yet.

That's what I was afraid of. Thanks so much guys.
On topic, are the forge father's going to be the highlight of the campaign? I really like the new style vs the old.
I like the dreads too but am not sure if I'm sold on the tanks. Love that enforcer flyer though.
It would look sweet on an infinity table too.

I've gone for the early bird, but the long term plan is to drop to the $50 mark then make it up with tanks, unless multiple vehicles start becoming a 'thing' at the $120 pledge level.

The thing is, with Deadzone the way it is, I already have *way* more enforcers than the sample starter army. I've got a ridiculous number of unassembled Rebs too for that matter.

This:

 pretre wrote:

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...is the first Mantic dwarf I've liked. Not entirely sold on the hammer, and the beard is possible a tad excessive, but overall he rocks.

Somebody wake me up when the warpath Kickstarter begins, this is just all Deadzone stuff.

Seriously I thought the kings of war 2 Kickstarter was light on new models but this is ridiculous.

This is far fewer new models than I was expecting as well- but Galva-dwarf is awesome.

Reaching...

 Tamereth wrote:
Somebody wake me up when the warpath Kickstarter begins, this is just all Deadzone stuff.

Seriously I thought the kings of war 2 Kickstarter was light on new models but this is ridiculous.

Yeah.. I'm fully in this camp now. They say they want to flesh out whatever.. but lead with existing stuff and a couple of characters/vehicles.. Then go on to talk about how they aren't going to be releasing stuff for some factions? I'm rolling my eyes for those of you who can't see. I was pretty excited for this to be honest but man, they're pulling a Mantic.

 insaniak wrote:
This:

Spoiler:

 pretre wrote:

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...is the first Mantic dwarf I've liked. Not entirely sold on the hammer, and the beard is possible a tad excessive, but overall he rocks.

"Excessive"? As a Dwarf player of many years, I would argue that is a fairly short beard for someone who is supposed to be as important as he is.

It's not the length that's an issue... it's the fact that he appears to have 3 small terriers attached to his chin.

A little less bulk in the braids would look considerably better.

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

I likee!

The only thing that'd make him better is if he was in a grav-sled pulled by the dog.

I like how the dog has a bionic foreleg.

Dog should have a beard and a cigar while it's at it.

At least the mobile beard will be in soon. Look forward to seeing more new stuff.