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 djones520 wrote:
Well, I'm going to pay for it. They're giving us Bretonians for free, so yeah, feth those guys... *rolls eyes*

Me too, I have been more than happy with the DLC that has been offered up.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
When they drop the faction prices closer to £5-£6, then I'll be fine. £13-£14 Is taking the piss.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

EDIT: Hell, the base game--with 4 separate playable races, a grand campaign, and skirmish mode--is £40 RRP. In order to get 4 more races, you will have to pay, at full price, £56. That's £16 more than the base game, which already came with 4 races as well as the actual game itself. Chaos Warriors are £6 just for the faction, a price which many still find high, but I'd be perfectly happy to pay for a faction. They've already proved what they're willing to charge for factions without bundling them with scenarios nobody cares about, but they're not doing that because they can get more money this way.

EDIT 2: I swear the store page changed wording since last I checked, but WE seems to add a campaign map bit instead of the Beastmen's crappy scenario, so they feel more worth about £10--or around the price they might be in a Christmas/Spring sale. Better pricing than BM, still not worth £14.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
When they drop the faction prices closer to £5-£6, then I'll be fine. £13-£14 Is taking the piss.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

EDIT: Hell, the base game--with 4 separate playable races, a grand campaign, and skirmish mode--is £40 RRP. In order to get 4 more races, you will have to pay, at full price, £56. That's £16 more than the base game, which already came with 4 races as well as the actual game itself. Chaos Warriors are £6 just for the faction, a price which many still find high, but I'd be perfectly happy to pay for a faction. They've already proved what they're willing to charge for factions without bundling them with scenarios nobody cares about, but they're not doing that because they can get more money this way.

EDIT 2: I swear the store page changed wording since last I checked, but WE seems to add a campaign map bit instead of the Beastmen's crappy scenario, so they feel more worth about £10--or around the price they might be in a Christmas/Spring sale. Better pricing than BM, still not worth £14.

In regards to your edit 2 : Beastmen added a campaign map as well. Are you confusing that with a "crappy scenario" ? Not sure you are completely informed, or I may be reading it wrong.

 nels1031 wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
When they drop the faction prices closer to £5-£6, then I'll be fine. £13-£14 Is taking the piss.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

EDIT: Hell, the base game--with 4 separate playable races, a grand campaign, and skirmish mode--is £40 RRP. In order to get 4 more races, you will have to pay, at full price, £56. That's £16 more than the base game, which already came with 4 races as well as the actual game itself. Chaos Warriors are £6 just for the faction, a price which many still find high, but I'd be perfectly happy to pay for a faction. They've already proved what they're willing to charge for factions without bundling them with scenarios nobody cares about, but they're not doing that because they can get more money this way.

EDIT 2: I swear the store page changed wording since last I checked, but WE seems to add a campaign map bit instead of the Beastmen's crappy scenario, so they feel more worth about £10--or around the price they might be in a Christmas/Spring sale. Better pricing than BM, still not worth £14.

In regards to your edit 2 : Beastmen added a campaign map as well. Are you confusing that with a "crappy scenario" ? Not sure you are completely informed, or I may be reading it wrong.

I was having a discussion with someone and lines apparently got crossed; from what they were saying I thought WE would expand on the Grand Campaign map a little, but no, it does look like it's another Beastmen 'crappy scenario'.

Forget my edit 2.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It's an actual honest-to-Sigmar expansion to the game introducing an entire new race, with entirely new animations, sounds, graphics, game-play mechanics, research trees, character types and options.

It's a poor expansion then. Yes there are new art assets and the like but that's not worth £14. If ti was £5 I may consider it, and I will probably get these when they go on sale.

You can buy fully formed game for £14.

It's a poor expansion then. Yes there are new art assets and the like but that's not worth £14. If ti was £5 I may consider it, and I will probably get these when they go on sale.

You can buy fully formed game for £14.

Look at it another way, you get an entire wood elf army for 14 quid! That's less than one box of glade guard!

I will be preordering, but elves are my jam. I even like how they broke up the focus between elves and tree people. I will also be on a break neck speed to get a forest dragon. Just so pumped for this expansion.

 Tagony wrote:
I will be preordering, but elves are my jam. I even like how they broke up the focus between elves and tree people. I will also be on a break neck speed to get a forest dragon. Just so pumped for this expansion.

I don't particularly care for elves, but I'll be getting this as well. I love more options and different play styles.

It is taking a colossal amount of willpower to hold off on this game. Every trailer for a new DLC looks fantastic!

The cost for the entire game plus addons however has reached $150 CAD so I am gonna have to wait till the next instalment of the series gets released as it should be bundled up by then.

The Wood Elves are out!!!

The game is down to £29.99 on Steam (until the 10th), for anyone interested.

@H.B.M.C, And are huge d@#ks to eachother!

Watch out, they'll burn their own Oak of ages down if you're not careful.

Awesome army though.q

I am sticking to me policy, I bought the game on pre-order, and thus got Warriors of Chaos included, I also paid only £21 by shopping about.
DLC will not be touched until they bundle it. I am not tempted in the meantime, the DLC factions are still available as Opfor in the main campaign, and the Brets will be out free soon enough.

Patience will not only save me a lot of money, it means that by the time I get to buy a bundle of DLC, I will need th content to keep th game fresh. Currently I havent anywhere near exhausted the factions from the start, and I have plenty of other games to play, I am perpetually soiled for choice.

Ugh your not missing much as they have managed to make a worse army than Beastmen at their launch and even nwo beastmen are merely okay and need a ton of micro and skill to pull off well when other armies are less forgiving.

In singleplayer the beastmen work well, but the elves can't even claim that much. The worst faction by a hundred light years. I wonder how bad the next faction get released will be? I'll wait until they are balanced just like the beastmen.

What is so bad about the WE? Slow? Squishy? Low damage?

 Wolfblade wrote:
What is so bad about the WE? Slow? Squishy? Low damage?

I don't have the DLC yet but if i remember wood elves were like beastmen with ambushes but were low toughness and armor and elite. On the tabletop they were mostly the dark eldar of Fantasy with tree spirits being like the haemonculus covens a bit.

I find this interesting though as Wood Elves was i think the last Ward book and the last army book of Fantasy. When they came out they went from the absolute lowest tier army to probably the highest or very near it (probably between them and dark elves). If i remember vampires, lizardmen, maybe empire, all 3 elf factions (all done by Mat Ward with maybe exception of high elves), nurgle daemons and ogres were pretty good.

As far as released armies go if i had to say beastmen, bretonnia and greenskins were all very low tier armies. Empire could have stupid gunlines with a 2+ armor save army for the most part (it was stupid). Dwarfs seemed ok but not great. As i said already vampires were pretty top tier. I did about as well with them as my skaven and i had years of practice with skaven and only maybe 3 games tops with vampires. It was a great faction with lots of useful units unlike skaven which had a few really good ones, some average ones and a bunch of awful ones.

I'm just pretty bad though that bretonnia, skaven and beastmen were left in 7th or earlier by the time fantasy died. Skaven had an 8 page FAQ. Even if you want to play 8th you can't find the FAQ and we most certainly didn't deserve to be stuck with an 8 page FAQ permanently if we didn't want to play AoS.

 Gamgee wrote:
Ugh your not missing much as they have managed to make a worse army than Beastmen at their launch and even nwo beastmen are merely okay and need a ton of micro and skill to pull off well when other armies are less forgiving.

Not having played this... but ain't this a good sign? Armies that require skill are available as "extra" challenge and not "pay to win" to get access to some cheese army? (OFC just my 2 pence)

Meh, they seem to perform alright but I think CA does need to work more on them. Their infantry get wiped in auto-resolves for instance.

I think they were just over-hyped and that's why they seem a let down.

@Flamingkillamajig, we might get lucky with Bretonnia. There's some rumors that CA are getting access to the stuff GW canceled when their 8th upgrade was still in the works.

One example of this rumor is that Louen's mount looks much larger and different than his TT version which falls in line with the 8th models.

Here's hoping in anycase.

There are a couple of complete Brettonian mods available, at one of whom even has its own tech tree.

This update has also broken my game, yay.

I played some early battles this morning before work and I liked the way they played. Their feel is very different from the current meta. I went with Orion so I'm assuming the treemem would be even different from that. Granted I have not messed with their economy and what not, but I liked what I saw. I could just be biased though because I love using elven armies

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
This update has also broken my game, yay.

Yep, same boat. A few of my key mods haven't been updated, mainly "Improved Garrisons" "Garrison Heroes" and "Chaos Please Wait" . Played around abit with the Wood Elves for a few turns, but not touching the game again until those are updated.

Wood Elves are going to be like playing Ordos or Nod in their respective games. Glass cannon RTS factions tend to be clear winners in the hands of people with the keyboard skills to make use of them, and worthless to those without such reflexes.
Blizzard knew better than to balance their factions this way, even Protoss have a balance of resilence, and other factions have their units that perform assymetrically if given micro control.

Ca are in a tough spot, Wood Elves should be played as they are done, some resilient tree units, and a large number of fast moving, very shooty, but fragile core. To 'fix' them is to unmake them. However WHFB never had a timer for play, fast maneuverable armies can be designed such without problems.

I can see Wood Elves and eventually Dark Elves being the win-button factions for tournament level players, and those two factions will also be very hard for most other players. I might even be ok with that up to a point.

The way this is heading Ogres will follow Dwarfs as 'easy' mode factions, all the elves will be tricky though high elves will appear more resilient than the rest due to the quality of High Elf infantry in attritional combat.

In singleplayer like always you can abuse the AI and win easily with any faction that is not a real test of their power.

Online most people are reporting being wiped out playing with them and the vast majority of players are winning crushing victories against them. Even top online players are struggling to win with them and once other players start to figure out counters to the very few okay things they have then it's over.

They are a glass cannon army that forgot the cannon part of their army. They have a few decent choices but they are so overpriced particularly in online you just can't make enough of them.

All their archers are terrible for their cost and cause negligible damage for obscene prices.

Siege weapons of any type just MESS them up so completely and forces them into an unwinnable situation. They need to skirmish to win, but if they try and skirmish siege weapons they lose hardcore. So they try and take out the siege weapons and are met with line infantry and lose the benefits of their skirmishing. Much like beastmen who have the hiding ability I and good players scout around looking for weak ambush units to pick off and focus fire on. So hiding and "ambushing" is not an option against skilled players who are expecting it. In real life historically there is a reason why historically archers and skirmishing style armies were simply of little effect to a conventional invading force and other than a few rare examples of victories in history are mostly destroyed.

I regret purchasing them big time, but hope with time CA will fix them up much like they made the beastmen suck less.

Wow I never imagiend CA releasing something WORSE than the Beastmen, but it seems they find amusment in releasing nonsense like this, I dont mind the fragile nature of the Wood Elfs as they cease to be fragile the moment you start investing in forges and the correct skills for your lords. But what I do mind is just how absolutely horrid the diplomatic standig is with the other Elf factions. One would expect them to be close allies and acctualy having a intrest in securing the woodlands instead of jumping at the chance for some civil war action. That and tiresome eqonomic system the wood elfs suffer from

Really? I ran Hard campaign to victory and never had any diplomatic issues with my fellow elves. They are rude to you at first but eventually come over.

Until one of them declared war on an ally of mine and I immediately attacked and vassaled them. But otherwise they were, while not pliant, definitely not troublesome.

I like Wood Elves. They seem to be in a decent spot. Not too good, or too bad.

I love Durthu, but Orion feels unappealing (did they just copy over the voice of the generic vampire lord?)

That Glade Lords can be either male or female is very promising, as it is exactly what I hope will happen with High Elves.

Amber feels nice and is actually a legit reason for wood elves going out into the world instead of turtling in and around Athel Loren.

I also really like the Wood Elves. I kind of wish that they had some female glade guard/eternal guard like they do in the fluff, but all in all I'm happy with em'

 Ashiraya wrote:
Really? I ran Hard campaign to victory and never had any diplomatic issues with my fellow elves. They are rude to you at first but eventually come over.

Until one of them declared war on an ally of mine and I immediately attacked and vassaled them. But otherwise they were, while not pliant, definitely not troublesome.

I like Wood Elves. They seem to be in a decent spot. Not too good, or too bad.

I love Durthu, but Orion feels unappealing (did they just copy over the voice of the generic vampire lord?)

That Glade Lords can be either male or female is very promising, as it is exactly what I hope will happen with High Elves.

Amber feels nice and is actually a legit reason for wood elves going out into the world instead of turtling in and around Athel Loren.

Well I dont really enjoy a steady amount of barely veiled promoses of war each time I ask a neighbouring lord for something. when we both figth for the same cause.

Durthu is awesomsauce, get him past lvl 25 and he tears apart whatever comes his way

The Amber I agree with, but it should instead be found in certain spots where you could mine or gather it. And thus having a bit more to work with

They are oddly hostile to you in their little talk things, and I am not sure why, but it's just angry speech. They are rather neutral to you diplomatically, at least until you start stacking up positive bonuses by fighting things around you.

My experience has been that whole "hostile talk" happens with most of the factions at first. As Empire I had Ostland insulting me for the longest time (even though we were ok diplomatically)

I founds diplomacy pants-on-head slowed at higher difficulty levels. I had Empire provinces about to disappear under a tide of greenskins or get turned into vamp charnal pit, yet they still will not see eye to eye.

Most factions wont even agree to mutual trade. Hey Nuln, dont you actually like money?