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2016/01/10 01:25:35
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
jeffersonian000 wrote: 1500pts, 2 Ghostkeel, two squads of 3 Stealthsuite, 16 Marker Drones, 1 Riptide, 1 Missile Pod Commander, one squad of Missilesides, and three solo Crisis suits. Add a third Ghostkeel and more Drones to push that up to 1750, or hgher.
I see it as a perimeter patrol calling in reinforcements to spring an ambush. Or something like that.
SJ
The one thing I don't like is the single Broadside as it feels like you're missing out on a lot of power from Relentless Broadsides, since they're already insanely strong and the Relentless makes them kind of over the top.
Retaliation Cadre is usually around 1k points when you use it. Thats not maxed out, thats with a commander, one riptide, full broadside, and 3-4 crisis suits split between the 3 units.
Though the Retal Cadre to me is basically a squad number tax for relentless broadsides. The +1BS when DSing isnt super amazing, though its a nice perk, and unless you have a small broadside squad you CANT deepstrike them otherwise your odds of mishap are pretty damn high, which removes the "all arrive automatically" part since the entire formation isnt in reserves.
Personally, relentless broadsides > auto T2 deepstrike. Far too many times the main target i wanted with my broadsides are either around a wall or JUST out of range, so i shoot a less favorable target.
Ive also been running the Hunter Cadre instead of a CAD lately in friendly games because 50-60 firewarriors with run + shoot or shoot + run is hilariously effective. Not sure if it would be worth it in a competitive scene though.
An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang.
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys
2016/01/10 02:42:31
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
jeffersonian000 wrote: 1500pts, 2 Ghostkeel, two squads of 3 Stealthsuite, 16 Marker Drones, 1 Riptide, 1 Missile Pod Commander, one squad of Missilesides, and three solo Crisis suits. Add a third Ghostkeel and more Drones to push that up to 1750, or hgher.
I see it as a perimeter patrol calling in reinforcements to spring an ambush. Or something like that.
SJ
The one thing I don't like is the single Broadside as it feels like you're missing out on a lot of power from Relentless Broadsides, since they're already insanely strong and the Relentless makes them kind of over the top.
It's one SQUAD of Missile-sides, not ONE Missile-side. I like 3, with 6 Missile Drones.
SJ
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
2016/01/10 02:47:35
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
jeffersonian000 wrote: 1500pts, 2 Ghostkeel, two squads of 3 Stealthsuite, 16 Marker Drones, 1 Riptide, 1 Missile Pod Commander, one squad of Missilesides, and three solo Crisis suits. Add a third Ghostkeel and more Drones to push that up to 1750, or hgher.
I see it as a perimeter patrol calling in reinforcements to spring an ambush. Or something like that.
SJ
The one thing I don't like is the single Broadside as it feels like you're missing out on a lot of power from Relentless Broadsides, since they're already insanely strong and the Relentless makes them kind of over the top.
It's one SQUAD of Missile-sides, not ONE Missile-side. I like 3, with 6 Missile Drones.
SJ
Ah ok, that makes a lot more sense. The drones are actually really good when you're running the Drone Network too, since they're basically Missile Pods for one less point than what you'd spend on a Missile Pod on a Crisis Suit. Just throw them in the back and pew-pew with mobile Broadsides that have bonus missile pods.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. The Commander just has Missile Pods as well, no sig systems. Originally want to run thise Missile Drone with a Drone Controll ... until it was pointed out I can't, hence the Drone-Net!
SJ
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
2016/01/10 03:37:22
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Originally I had the OSC a bit more minimal with only one ghost with raker and burst cannon, the stealths were full sized with marker drones and such and the broadsides were missilesides for antiair. But I realised I wasn't using the ghosts to anywhere near better potential and wanted to use the hrr on the broadsides, watching a battle report having one of the few times you wanted the hrr over the missiles and really though you want the missiles 9/10 probably, I like the look of the rifle and that 1/10 when it's better its sort of punishing not to have it. I think I'm all set on the OSC with the retaliation though I was thinking about the xv8 loadouts and if the target locks on the broadsides could be better used elsewhere. I made the mistake when assembling xv8s before so have 3 stuck with dual missiles and 3 stuck with dual fusion.
Bach wrote: Hey all! This may be a YMDC but figured that someone may have either thought of this or tried it...
Has anyone tried to roll on Nova Reactor right before the Riptide Deepstrikes on the board? Nova Reactor is supposed to occur at the beginning of the Riptide's movement phase and whether or not you succeeded might influence where you Deepstrike the unit, assuming you can do that. Couldn't the placement marker and scatter roll be considered part of the Riptide's movement phase? I plan on running the Retaliation Cadre, and never really considered Deepstriking a Riptide before.
Whether I wanted the Str 9 Ordinance Blast or the 12 rending shots... I can see a failed Nova Reactor roll changing my initial plan for the unit.
Wishful thinking?
You roll for DS at start of turn which happens before you roll for nova at the start of movement. All reserves have to be rolled for and placed before movement phase starts.
1x Riptide (Stim Injector, EWO, Earthcaste Pilot Array*, Ion Accelerator)
3x Missile Sides (EWO maybe)
Xx Missile Drones (based on points of list)
He's with the Broadsides, which are Relentless. There is no loss of JSJ, as he still only moves 6", he just won't be jetting back in the Assault phase while still attached.
SJ
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
2016/01/10 05:28:58
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
1x Riptide (Stim Injector, EWO, Earthcaste Pilot Array*, Ion Accelerator)
3x Missile Sides (EWO maybe)
Xx Missile Drones (based on points of list)
He's with the Broadsides, which are Relentless. There is no loss of JSJ, as he still only moves 6", he just won't be jetting back in the Assault phase while still attached.
SJ
that is literally the definition of losing the ability to JSJ
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2016/01/10 05:38:17
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
1x Riptide (Stim Injector, EWO, Earthcaste Pilot Array*, Ion Accelerator)
3x Missile Sides (EWO maybe)
Xx Missile Drones (based on points of list)
He's with the Broadsides, which are Relentless. There is no loss of JSJ, as he still only moves 6", he just won't be jetting back in the Assault phase while still attached.
SJ
JSJ is literally the assault phase movement, not the Jetpack Infantry rule set :/.
arthorn wrote: Tinkrr, do you have a list I imagine you need atleast 2000 pts before playing the air cadre? Jeffersonian000 how many point is it, 3 ghost keel one big suit drop or how do you play it? Also marko mander?
Haven't lost a game yet. Fighters are devastating. D3 markers is all you need. Feel free to load out crisis suits to flavor. I like this loadout and know what it can handle.
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Vineheart01 wrote: Retaliation Cadre is usually around 1k points when you use it. Thats not maxed out, thats with a commander, one riptide, full broadside, and 3-4 crisis suits split between the 3 units.
Though the Retal Cadre to me is basically a squad number tax for relentless broadsides. The +1BS when DSing isnt super amazing, though its a nice perk, and unless you have a small broadside squad you CANT deepstrike them otherwise your odds of mishap are pretty damn high, which removes the "all arrive automatically" part since the entire formation isnt in reserves.
The retaliation I posted just above comes to ~1060 points. On the contrary, the +1BS is giving you 5 free markerlights and is a huge bonus. Especially If you have a few extra to give around. Running a commander with warscaper drone I can drop on any terrain I want and not worry about testing (MTC), and their effective range allows extreme flexibility to land safely. Also... Running homing beacons goes along way
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and counterstrike cadre is amazing in maelstrom!
Cheers!
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1x Riptide (Stim Injector, EWO, Earthcaste Pilot Array*, Ion Accelerator)
3x Missile Sides (EWO maybe)
Xx Missile Drones (based on points of list)
He's with the Broadsides, which are Relentless. There is no loss of JSJ, as he still only moves 6", he just won't be jetting back in the Assault phase while still attached.
SJ
that is literally the definition of losing the ability to JSJ
You can still JSJ with mixed models, the only limitation is that those models must remain in coherency.
I've used it before to get range on missile drones,whilst repositioning them to buffer (or hide) from incoming firepower.
1x Riptide (Stim Injector, EWO, Earthcaste Pilot Array*, Ion Accelerator)
3x Missile Sides (EWO maybe)
Xx Missile Drones (based on points of list)
He's with the Broadsides, which are Relentless. There is no loss of JSJ, as he still only moves 6", he just won't be jetting back in the Assault phase while still attached.
SJ
that is literally the definition of losing the ability to JSJ
You can still JSJ with mixed models, the only limitation is that those models must remain in coherency.
I've used it before to get range on missile drones,whilst repositioning them to buffer (or hide) from incoming firepower.
And then you are still missing the point of JSJ is getting your entire squad out of range/LoS so they cannot be shot at during the enemies turn.
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2016/01/10 17:45:31
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Grizzlyzz, 6 burst Canon's on xv suits while you have stealts isn't that a lot of bc? because I would think cib, air fragment combo would do well as well
2016/01/10 18:52:14
Subject: Re:For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
1xTarget Acquisition Team Piranha:Fusion Blaster, 2xSeeker Missiles, Disruption Pod
2xPiranhas:2xFusion Blasters, 4xSeeker Missilies
3xPiranhas:3xFusion Blasters, 6xSeeker Missilies
5xPiranhas:6xSeeker Missiles
Most likely TOs will rule that you can not leave the same turn you come on, so I am playing with that assumption. I decided to transform the formation into a seeker missile farm more so than a drone farm. If I have to stay on for one turn may aswell fire a storm of seeker missilies, the list has 1 unit of 1 with 2 seeker missiles as required 1 unit of 2 with 4 seeker missiles another unit of 3 with six seekers, and one unit of 5 with 6 seekers.
If I go first I am capable of doing a massive seeker attack that should catch most opponents off guard and possible disable my enemy. I can potentially easily kill 3 scatbike units, 3 rhinos, or even a wraithknight. Using Killing Blow for the re-roll to wound and target acquisition for up to 2 sources of tank-hunter I should be able to do this rather easily or atleast the numbers will be in my favor.
I am concern about not have enough bite in the list. I have some ap 2 with the riptide, crisis suits, and the piranhas but no where near the amount that Tau is known for, this is my major concern.
I have dakka because of the RELENTESS broadsides and their missilie drones and the drone farm! The drone farm will create 10 man drone squad, 6 man drone squad, 4 man drone squad, and a 2 man drone squad. When they come back on turn 3 they will create another 22 drones and have 18 more seeker missilies . The main problem with a drone farm is that using it just for drones is not worth it. Drones will never do that much damage but seeker missiles quickly make up their value. The formation is 659 points on turn 3 you get 408 points worth of free drones and seeker missiles and if they managed to kill a piranha but not the squad the piranha comes back, and hopefully 36 seeker missiles can do 251 points worth of damage
Turn 3 is when the list gets insane at this point I will have 44 gune drones, 2 of those being 10 man squads. I will also let loose another storm of seeker missiles so they will have to survive another potential alpha strike. The drone network increases the bs of all the drones so the gun drones will put in work against infantry. What do you guys think?
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For a battlesuit army, how do people feel the optimal way of constructing one is? The way I see it we have 3 options with different advantages however I would be interested in hearing other people's opinions!
1) A DBC which gives us The Killing Blow special rule along with relentless Broadsides, however this means we are stuck with the FSE signature systems and Warlord traits.
2) A FSE CAD giving us Obsec Crisis Suits along with access to FW Riptide Variants/Tetras/Skyrays, but with the same problems as a DBC.
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3) Just running a Tau Empire Retaliation formation giving us Buffmander access and letting us use the stronger TE Warlord traits.
I really want a battleship army but the different options all make me feel like I'm being taxed, and it's hard to choose!
2016/01/10 21:57:22
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
I posted a DBC Ret Cader + Drone-Net + Piranha Firestream in the Army list forum, but can't seems to have disappeared. I'll posted it here to show a maxed Firestream wing:
Totals: 90 models, 66 Drones, up to 128-192 additional spawned Drones over 5-7 turns.
SJ
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
2016/01/10 22:38:07
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
I like that I think I will make some adjustments to mine, Your broadside unit is really strong, I never really thought of making a deathstar out of it are you concered about ap 2.
TheBoy wrote: Load breachers and an ethereal in a devilfish with drones and use storm of fire when it gets in close. 9" away the devil fish is spitting out 10str 5 shots plus it could take two seekers.
Really just needs the Ethereal. If you give it the overwatch upgrade, then having the breachers makes for a fun Fish of Fury response to assaults.
2016/01/10 22:47:21
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
notredameguy10 wrote: Just want to verify:
Shielded missile drones attached to Riptides that are in a riptide wing also benefit from the Riptide Hailfire, correct?
notredameguy10 wrote: Just want to verify:
Shielded missile drones attached to Riptides that are in a riptide wing also benefit from the Riptide Hailfire, correct?
It says unit so I believe you are good to go!
Hmm if thats the case I could see that being really good paired with a Drone net. If you maxed a squad of riptides to a unit of 3 in the riptide wing and had 6 shielded missile drones, that would be 24 extra Str 7 AP4 shots during that Riptide Hailfire at BS3 instead of BS2 and any additional Markerlights as well obviously.
So a squad of 3 Riptides with IA, SMS, Target Locks, and 6 SMDs would put out (assuming Ripple Fire Nova Charge)
6 Str 8 / AP2 / Large Blasts @ BS4 (or BS5 if shooting at something another riptide shot at)
48 Str 5 / AP5 / Ignore Cover and LoS @ BS4 (or BS5 if shooting at something another riptide shot at)
24 Str 7 / AP4 shots @ BS3
at a max of 4 different targets. And with Drone net you would have a minimum of 16 marker lights at BS3 buffing those shots as well..
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2016/01/11 00:18:45
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
They still have the same problem nobody takes them for. Theyre really easy to remove compared to the Riptide, force leadership tests when they die, and are really expensive. They are 2 drones merged into one without any extra wounds, but cost just as much (1 more actually, but they are T6 so i guess its not "quite" twice as much).
Much like my problem with Shield Drones in general, they die to bolters too easy. Its somewhat rare my drones get their armor pen'd unless there wasnt any other targets for the ap4+ guns to shoot at, so i might as well use Gun/ML drones so it DOES something before it dies.
Shielded Missile Drones are essentially in the same boat because of their cost.
An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang.
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys
2016/01/11 00:21:51
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Vineheart01 wrote: They still have the same problem nobody takes them for. Theyre really easy to remove compared to the Riptide, force leadership tests when they die, and are really expensive. They are 2 drones merged into one without any extra wounds, but cost just as much (1 more actually, but they are T6 so i guess its not "quite" twice as much).
Much like my problem with Shield Drones in general, they die to bolters too easy. Its somewhat rare my drones get their armor pen'd unless there wasnt any other targets for the ap4+ guns to shoot at, so i might as well use Gun/ML drones so it DOES something before it dies.
Shielded Missile Drones are essentially in the same boat because of their cost.
Just stick all 6 behind your three riptides, Your riptides will be the ones hit and not your drones, but you can still do a look out sir if someone shoots an AP2 weapon at you if you so choose
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2016/01/11 00:23:58
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
Vineheart01 wrote: Actually if you could LoS i would take them, since that guarantees the shield gets used and not the armor against a bolter shot.
Riptides cannot be characters sadly. O'Vesa is the only one we can get, and hes unusable now thanks to the "formation" hes in.
oops thats my bad about LoS. But you can still keep them behind your 3 riptides and that would all but guarantee they would not be shot at unless you wanted them to
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2016/01/11 00:49:26
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
arthorn wrote: Grizzlyzz, 6 burst Canon's on xv suits while you have stealts isn't that a lot of bc? because I would think cib, air fragment combo would do well as well
S5 is very flexible and the stealth suits aren't really offensive. They provide the beacons for me and generally camp objectives. CIBs and Air bursts are great. More expensive though, so in my list they won't fit. Plus I try to be wysiwyg and don't own more then like 3 CIBs haha
arthorn wrote: Grizzlyzz, 6 burst Canon's on xv suits while you have stealts isn't that a lot of bc? because I would think cib, air fragment combo would do well as well
S5 is very flexible and the stealth suits aren't really offensive. They provide the beacons for me and generally camp objectives. CIBs and Air bursts are great. More expensive though, so in my list they won't fit. Plus I try to be wysiwyg and don't own more then like 3 CIBs haha
I make my own CIBs using Burst Cannons and Plasma Rifles. Cut the ends of the Burst Cannon barrels off and glue on the end of a plasma rifle in their place. Simple and cheap but it gets the job done
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2016/01/11 01:04:31
Subject: For the greater good! Tau 7th edition tactica.
The problem with Shielded Missile Drones isn't that they are easier to kill, it's that they're 25 points for a Missile Pod. A Missile Pod simply isn't worth the 25pts when we have so many possible options of gaining one in other places, and the extra cost is from the Shield Generator, which you never really want to use as you'll try to body block with the Riptide, or simply JSJ out of range.
There will usually just be a better place to gain Missile Pod equivalent shots than the Shielded Drones due to points cost.
Tinkrr wrote: The problem with Shielded Missile Drones isn't that they are easier to kill, it's that they're 25 points for a Missile Pod. A Missile Pod simply isn't worth the 25pts when we have so many possible options of gaining one in other places, and the extra cost is from the Shield Generator, which you never really want to use as you'll try to body block with the Riptide, or simply JSJ out of range.
There will usually just be a better place to gain Missile Pod equivalent shots than the Shielded Drones due to points cost.
Normally I would agree with that. I was just putting it out there that it could be worth the points if used in an alpha strike Riptide Wing in which it gets double the shots for one turn as well as an auto +1BS from Drone Net
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An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang. 
14000pts Big 'n Bad Orkz
6000pts Admech/Knights
7500pts Necron Goldboys 
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