When will other factions get the Tau treatment

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**JohnHwangDD**

BA are fine, because they play as Red Marines. Everything's hunky-dory.

**Kharne the Befriender**

Martel732 wrote:
" This UNIT is an example of how IG compete"

Beating BA isn't competing. It's clubbing baby seals.

Also a hobby, lol. I jest

**Co'tor Shas**

Eh, they don't have a lot of what the regular marines get. Now I wouldn't say they are the worst (that dubious honor goes to CSM), but they certainly aren't that good.

**master of ordinance**

Martel732 wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:
I honestly have no idea Martel. All I see see is a big red wall of NOPE.

All the players who slap me around like a stooge know the BA codex very well and know the BA units very well. Understanding a foe is key to defeating them. Once you understand BA, you realize how god awful they are.

Thanks, I will have a look into them.

**Slayer-Fan123**

I can count the good BA units, and at least there's more than CSM's on top of being able to be a taxi service.

**Martel732**

Co'tor Shas wrote:
Eh, they don't have a lot of what the regular marines get. Now I wouldn't say they are the worst (that dubious honor goes to CSM), but they certainly aren't that good.

Maybe without fw. Maybe.

**Co'tor Shas**

Martel732 wrote:
Co'tor Shas wrote:
Eh, they don't have a lot of what the regular marines get. Now I wouldn't say they are the worst (that dubious honor goes to CSM), but they certainly aren't that good.

Maybe without fw. Maybe.

Nah, defiantly w/o FW. CSM are really that bad.

**JohnHwangDD**

My point is that Red Marines and Green Marines can always jump back to C:SM - a luxury that IG just doesn't have.

**Martel732**

I dont have the models for that. Most ba players dont actually.

**master of ordinance**

You have power armoured dudes dont you?

**Martel732**

That's not what makes marine lists good.

**Kharne the Befriender**

Would you guys say the CSM codex is... Chaotic?

**Akiasura**

master of ordinance wrote:
You have power armoured dudes dont you?

Outside of Sternguard, PA guys are some of the weakest units in the dex.
Bikers, Cents, Thunderfire cannons, HQ units are the stronger parts of the SM dex. I don't believe that is shared with BA much (maybe HQ?).

**Martel732**

Not hq.

**Kharne the Befriender**

Are salamanders good?

**Jancoran**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Jancoran wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:

If he's won on generalship at a large enough event, then I'd agree there's nothing to prove. If not, well, maybe I'll continue to be a touch skeptical.

Nice. Which large tournament allowed you to have your opinions? Just curious.

Ive been to two Seattle GT's, and they talked me into finally going to TSHFT. I've only ever lost one game at each of those events. My paint wont ever put me in the higher echelons of those anyways. My paint is so poor its like crayons (not literally, but...). Although after my Cornea Transplants 1+ years ago, it has significantly improved. =)

So I haven't won a "big tournament" that allows me to post on Dakkadakka like you and the other Adepticon champs here (got a stack of em, but no majors). But I have done so well, that I thought I'd venture some opinions anyways.

Now anyone who HASN'T won is on notice that you, JohnHwangDD, will be skeptical of their opinions. Even if they have won a lot. Sorry fella's.

You know though... Here's a thought from left field to join all my other ones. What if we assumed just to be civil that people who win a lot might have...earned it? Might have something to share? Might even be on this board without winning a single major! Whuuuuuut? But yes! That would be crazy, yet... consider the possibilities...

And you claiming people need to win a buig tournament to be right is opka

GenCon SoCal, back in the day.

I am more skeptical about claims of competitiveness if they've not won anything, particularly when those particular claims are strongly counter to the broad experience and my personal experience. I see nothing wrong with that point, and I doubt anyone would find fault with that. We are talking about competitiveness, so it makes perfect sense to me that someone with actual wins would be a better speaker on the topic.

When that someone makes crazy claims about how competitive the IG are, highlighting an absolutely terrible unit (IG blob) in the current mobility-focused meta, no, I'm OK to let them share. Just like I allow toddlers ramble on about their favorite dinosaurs. That doesn't make them paleontologists, though.

And you claiming people need to have won a big tournament to have anopinion is an absurdity that speaks to all i need to know about the value of that opinion.

I've won enough for anyone to say I know the game. i also have done things in an unorthodox way that DOES indeed run counter to some of the Netlisting that goes on and Its a reputation i wear with pride because I'm not a drone. People with different ideas are always treated like this and we are quite used to it.

But since you've won nothing major, your own standard precludes you from discussions anyways. In your opinion. Ya' might wanna' think about it.

**Martel732**

Kharne the Befriender wrote:
Are salamanders good?

Yes.

**Jancoran**

Akiasura wrote:

That's fine, considering the constant strawmanning and casual nature of your meta .

False. But whatevs...

**master of ordinance**

Jancoran, your meta IS casual when compared to the standard norm for 40K

**Jancoran**

master of ordinance wrote:
Jancoran, your meta IS casual when compared to the standard norm for 40K

If you say so.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Can you honestly prove it isn't?

**Yoyoyo**

Jancoran wrote:
I also have done things in an unorthodox way that DOES indeed run counter to some of the Netlisting that goes on and Its a reputation i wear with pride because I'm not a drone. People with different ideas are always treated like this and we are quite used to it.

Ever seen a guy named Koska write on BoLS? He's got some pretty interesting ideas with CSM and has also taken a Tempestus primary to Adepticon (Taurox/Melta spam) and done pretty well.

You'd probably dig his ideas.

**Slayer-Fan123**

MT is at least better than CSM's and pure Guard. Deep Strike and the ability to have Locator Beacons on their vehicles is pretty good actually.

**Jancoran**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Can you honestly prove it isn't?

Can anyone "prove" that? No. So claiming it is poor is absurd. Defending it equally so. And "weak meta" is pretty much the dumbest argument in the netverse anyways. Its what people say when they lose an argument and can't think of anything real to say.

Dropping a bunch of names might help you appreciate it better but whatever. You'd recognize at least half of them (because they do attend big uns and they do very well) and then people would come up with something else to complain about. These discussions prompted me to go to TSHFT once. I went to two Seattle GT's just to do the same. I did well. The reality though is that I could win a dozen majors and people like you would say "but its not two dozen". Lol.

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Yoyoyo wrote:
Jancoran wrote:
I also have done things in an unorthodox way that DOES indeed run counter to some of the Netlisting that goes on and Its a reputation i wear with pride because I'm not a drone. People with different ideas are always treated like this and we are quite used to it.
Ever seen a guy named Koska write on BoLS? He's got some pretty interesting ideas with CSM and has also taken a Tempestus primary to Adepticon (Taurox/Melta spam) and done pretty well.

You'd probably dig his ideas.

I play Militarum Tempestus.

**Slayer-Fan123**

You literally avoided my question. You can absolutely prove whether your meta is casual or hardcore. The fact you avoided answering it says you KNOW your area's armies and players are less than mediocre, and simply won't admit otherwise.

**Jancoran**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You literally avoided my question. You can absolutely prove whether your meta is casual or hardcore. The fact you avoided answering it says you KNOW your area's armies and players are less than mediocre, and simply won't admit otherwise.

Eh... Sure man! Now troll someone else.

**Selym**

Jancoran wrote:
Selym wrote:
The lascannons are an upgrade ro a unit. Tactical marines with lascannon upgrades have to remain in unit coherency, and so to HWT upgrades.
Additionally, firing them precludes charging, too.

I'm sorry but you need to know the rules. And the rules state extremely clearly that as long as the Lascannons themselves do not move, they can fire normally. How do people not know this? Obviouly I cannot charge if I fire them. Obviously.

The point appears to have glanced your head. If you want to assault with this blob, you'll need to move fully every movement phase. Now the lascannons snapshot as they have to remain in coherency. To even stand a chance at assaulting, you also need to run. Now the lascannons are worthless. On the ONE turn you don't run (assuming you weren't tabled on T2/3) you still can't use the lascannons, as you'll be charging.

You cannot get HWT upgrades to work in this colossal failure of a "Deathstar".

**Co'tor Shas**

He's not trolling. From your descriptions your scene seems to be extremely different than most. And if your meta is that much different, than your observations and ideas will not work the same elsewhere.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Jancoran wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
You literally avoided my question. You can absolutely prove whether your meta is casual or hardcore. The fact you avoided answering it says you KNOW your area's armies and players are less than mediocre, and simply won't admit otherwise.

Eh... Sure man! Now troll someone else.

Answer the question directly. Is your locals actually competitive, or casual? If it is competitive, what lists would one expect to see?

It's real fething simple, and your failure to answer questions and flatout ignore certain posters has made you look like a fool in the FW thread and now this one.

**Akiasura**

What is the FW thread? I saw reference to Jancoran in some of the other threads and it...wasn't great.
I'm starting to feel bad about it but that's probably because I'm not engaging him directly anymore.