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Ah.

 Breotan wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
What the violent rhetoric and silent approval from republicans led to this? Nooo

Good. Good. Now, all I need is for someone to blame George W. Bush, and I'll have bingo.

 Torga_DW wrote:
Apparently 3 dead http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/11/28/06/52/reports-shooting-outside-planned-parenthood-clinic-us I vaguely recall 11 casualties and am looking for the article to confirm, but 9-11 isn't too far off either way.

It was three dead, nine injured by gunfire and taken to the hospital.

Prove me wrong

 Ustrello wrote:
What the violent rhetoric and silent approval from republicans led to this? Nooo

Violent rhetoric from Republicans? I don't pay a lot of attention to the abortion debate but I haven't heard this accusation leveled at the Republicans.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
What the violent rhetoric and silent approval from republicans led to this? Nooo

Violent rhetoric from Republicans? I don't pay a lot of attention to the abortion debate but I haven't heard this accusation leveled at the Republicans.

When you get republicans everyday calling PP terrible people etc I would called that violent rhetoric, and seeing how we have not seen a single condemnation of the shooter besides cruz saying he will pray for the victims.

 Ustrello wrote:
When you get republicans everyday calling PP terrible people etc I would called that violent rhetoric, and seeing how we have not seen a single condemnation of the shooter besides cruz saying he will pray for the victims.

You believe that calling people terrible is violent rhetoric?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
What the violent rhetoric and silent approval from republicans led to this? Nooo

Violent rhetoric from Republicans? I don't pay a lot of attention to the abortion debate but I haven't heard this accusation leveled at the Republicans.

Well, the man was apparently shouting about 'no more baby parts' which one would assume is a reference to a debunked video purporting to show a director of PP selling of fetal body parts. A video that has been widely used, including by republican presidential candidates and senators, to attack PP and justify cuts to it's budget or legislation to target it, even months after it was debunked.

But no, incessant attacks and use of a fraudulent video in order to frame everything and everyone at PP as baby murderers had absolutely nothing to do with this attack, I'm certain of it.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
When you get republicans everyday calling PP terrible people etc I would called that violent rhetoric, and seeing how we have not seen a single condemnation of the shooter besides cruz saying he will pray for the victims.

You believe that calling people terrible is violent rhetoric?

In simple terms yes, when you have them saying that they are killing people and they deserve what is happening to them that is a passive violent rhetoric.

"Republicans Said Something Awful" is on the DakkaDakka Bingo Card

 Goliath wrote:
Well, the man was apparently shouting about 'no more baby parts' which one would assume is a reference to a debunked video purporting to show a director of PP selling of fetal body parts. A video that has been widely used, including by republican presidential candidates and senators, to attack PP and justify cuts to it's budget or legislation to target it, even months after it was debunked.

But no, incessant attacks and use of a fraudulent video in order to frame everything and everyone at PP as baby murderers had absolutely nothing to do with this attack, I'm certain of it.

So we have the rhetoric, but which part of it was violent or encouraged violence against PP?

 LordofHats wrote:
"Republicans Said Something Awful" is on the DakkaDakka Bingo Card

Shouldn't that just be a second free space at this point?

 Ustrello wrote:
In simple terms yes, when you have them saying that they are killing people and they deserve what is happening to them that is a passive violent rhetoric.

As I said before I don't follow the abortion debate so if you have a source for this I would be grateful as your statements to date have been tainted by hyperbole

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
Well, the man was apparently shouting about 'no more baby parts' which one would assume is a reference to a debunked video purporting to show a director of PP selling of fetal body parts. A video that has been widely used, including by republican presidential candidates and senators, to attack PP and justify cuts to it's budget or legislation to target it, even months after it was debunked.

But no, incessant attacks and use of a fraudulent video in order to frame everything and everyone at PP as baby murderers had absolutely nothing to do with this attack, I'm certain of it.

So we have the rhetoric, but which part of it was violent or encouraged violence against PP?

If you cannot see the connections that is more of a you problem than anything.

 Ustrello wrote:
If you cannot see the connections that is more of a you problem than anything.

I am seeing a lot of statements with no evidence to support them. I am waiting for you to demonstrate that the rhetoric from the Republican party was violent.

 Ustrello wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
"Republicans Said Something Awful" is on the DakkaDakka Bingo Card

Shouldn't that just be a second free space at this point?

I'm saying I don't think Breotan was trying to argue with you. He was just pointing out he only needed one more tile for Bingo

FYI Breotan, check the ISIS thread. Bush's name hasn't been said, but a certain poster *certainly not me* might have placed a little blame for the current mess there on previous US foreign policies

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
If you cannot see the connections that is more of a you problem than anything.

I am seeing a lot of statements with no evidence to support them. I am waiting for you to demonstrate that the rhetoric from the Republican party was violent.

Literally by promoting the videos they were increasing violent attacks on PP, even the FBI said there was an increase because of them. So by pushing those videos they are inciting people to violence ie)violent rhetoric

Do I think that any of the Republicans in the news have told anyone that they should kill abortion providers? Nope, not at all.

Do I think that any of the Republicans in the news want abortion providers to die? Nope, not at all.

Do I think that people are pretty unstable when it comes to things related to PP? Yes, absolutely.

Do I think that fabricated and completely bs video pretending that PP exists to kill babies so that they can harvest their body parts and sell them for profit pushes crazies even more over the edge? Yes, absolutely.

Do I think that Republicans in the news who knowingly keep on pushing this fabricated video as "truth" and who perpetuate the idea that PP is harvesting body parts are also contributing to the climate that pushes people towards acts like this? Yes, absolutely.

I don't blame Republicans because I think they have malice and violence in mind. I blame them because they are simply interested in pandering to their base and play loose with lies without any regard to potential consequences. I don't think that they wanted anyone to get hurt, I don't even think they even considered the fact that anyone would get hurt. Their thoughts probably don't go any further than "that will get me another ballot in November".

 LordofHats wrote:
"Republicans Said Something Awful" is on the DakkaDakka Bingo Card

With that being like a few years old. its funny that like, two things are no longer ever posted here. Bronies, and Cabinets. And MAybe Matt Ward

 Ustrello wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
Well, the man was apparently shouting about 'no more baby parts' which one would assume is a reference to a debunked video purporting to show a director of PP selling of fetal body parts. A video that has been widely used, including by republican presidential candidates and senators, to attack PP and justify cuts to it's budget or legislation to target it, even months after it was debunked.

But no, incessant attacks and use of a fraudulent video in order to frame everything and everyone at PP as baby murderers had absolutely nothing to do with this attack, I'm certain of it.

So we have the rhetoric, but which part of it was violent or encouraged violence against PP?

If you cannot see the connections that is more of a you problem than anything.

Is it like the connection violent video games have to murder?sarcastic mode off.


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 Ustrello wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
If you cannot see the connections that is more of a you problem than anything.

I am seeing a lot of statements with no evidence to support them. I am waiting for you to demonstrate that the rhetoric from the Republican party was violent.

Literally by promoting the videos they were increasing violent attacks on PP, even the FBI said there was an increase because of them. So by pushing those videos they are inciting people to violence ie)violent rhetoric

There it is. While we're at it, let's take down Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, and other games that celebrate killing. The logic you put forward is the same.

 d-usa wrote:
Do I think that any of the Republicans in the news have told anyone that they should kill abortion providers? Nope, not at all.

Do I think that any of the Republicans in the news want abortion providers to die? Nope, not at all.

Do I think that people are pretty unstable when it comes to things related to PP? Yes, absolutely.

Do I think that fabricated and completely bs video pretending that PP exists to kill babies so that they can harvest their body parts and sell them for profit pushes crazies even more over the edge? Yes, absolutely.

Do I think that Republicans in the news who knowingly keep on pushing this fabricated video as "truth" and who perpetuate the idea that PP is harvesting body parts are also contributing to the climate that pushes people towards acts like this? Yes, absolutely.

I don't blame Republicans because I think they have malice and violence in mind. I blame them because they are simply interested in pandering to their base and play loose with lies without any regard to potential consequences. I don't think that they wanted anyone to get hurt, I don't even think they even considered the fact that anyone would get hurt. Their thoughts probably don't go any further than "that will get me another ballot in November".

For gawdsake...a "video". Last time a video was involved cause a shooting match at Benghazi. The riot/attack was inspired by a "video" on the US Consulate so sayeth Obama and HRC. Let's leave the....amateur BS video's out of this. One nutjob "inspired" by a video concerning PP and the other video with satire on Muslims "inspired" a bunch of individuals to kill a US Diplomat with security detail.

Relapse wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Goliath wrote:
Well, the man was apparently shouting about 'no more baby parts' which one would assume is a reference to a debunked video purporting to show a director of PP selling of fetal body parts. A video that has been widely used, including by republican presidential candidates and senators, to attack PP and justify cuts to it's budget or legislation to target it, even months after it was debunked.

But no, incessant attacks and use of a fraudulent video in order to frame everything and everyone at PP as baby murderers had absolutely nothing to do with this attack, I'm certain of it.

So we have the rhetoric, but which part of it was violent or encouraged violence against PP?

If you cannot see the connections that is more of a you problem than anything.

Is it like the connection violent video games have to murder?sarcastic mode off.


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 Ustrello wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
If you cannot see the connections that is more of a you problem than anything.

I am seeing a lot of statements with no evidence to support them. I am waiting for you to demonstrate that the rhetoric from the Republican party was violent.

Literally by promoting the videos they were increasing violent attacks on PP, even the FBI said there was an increase because of them. So by pushing those videos they are inciting people to violence ie)violent rhetoric

There it is. While we're at it, let's take down Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, and other games that celebrate killing. The logic you put forward is the same.

Off tangent, but there actually is according to the APA

 Jihadin wrote:
For gawdsake...a "video". Last time a video was involved cause a shooting match at Benghazi. The riot/attack was inspired by a "video" on the US Consulate so sayeth Obama and HRC. Let's leave the....amateur BS video's out of this. One nutjob "inspired" by a video concerning PP and the other video with satire on Muslims "inspired" a bunch of individuals to kill a US Diplomat with security detail.

It's not just a video, it's how people treated that video. Remember the republican debate where everyone was talking about how awful it was, complete with blatant lying about its contents to make the pro-choice side look even more evil?

 Ustrello wrote:
Literally by promoting the videos they were increasing violent attacks on PP

So there was no violent rhetoric then.

 Ustrello wrote:
even the FBI said there was an increase because of them.

Source please

 Ustrello wrote:
So by pushing those videos they are inciting people to violence ie)violent rhetoric

No they really were not.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Literally by promoting the videos they were increasing violent attacks on PP

So there was no violent rhetoric then.

 Ustrello wrote:
even the FBI said there was an increase because of them.

Source please

 Ustrello wrote:
So by pushing those videos they are inciting people to violence ie)violent rhetoric

No they really were not.

Yeah they were and here you go http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-warns-of-threat-to-reproductive-health-care-facilities/

 Ustrello wrote:

Relapse wrote:

While we're at it, let's take down Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, and other games that celebrate killing. The logic you put forward is the same.

Off tangent, but there actually is according to the APA

Hang on. I'm noticing a pattern here. Is it... ? Can it... ? IT IS!

Ustrello = Jack Thompson

OMG! It all makes sense now.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Jihadin wrote:
For gawdsake...a "video". Last time a video was involved cause a shooting match at Benghazi. The riot/attack was inspired by a "video" on the US Consulate so sayeth Obama and HRC. Let's leave the....amateur BS video's out of this. One nutjob "inspired" by a video concerning PP and the other video with satire on Muslims "inspired" a bunch of individuals to kill a US Diplomat with security detail.

It's not just a video, it's how people treated that video. Remember the republican debate where everyone was talking about how awful it was, complete with blatant lying about its contents to make the pro-choice side look even more evil?

People are idiots Brother...both side....Hell in general everyone can be idiots. Is it confirmed this asshat was inspired by said video? I rather wait a few more days and see what comes up. For all we know he's using the video to say he was inspired to do it and later claim Insanity for defense during his trial. Religous insanity..(can't spell). His star witness to confirm his train of thought was the shape the mustard spread on his ham sammich. Cross Examination should be fun

 Breotan wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

Relapse wrote:

While we're at it, let's take down Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, and other games that celebrate killing. The logic you put forward is the same.

Off tangent, but there actually is according to the APA

Hang on. I'm noticing a pattern here. Is it... ? Can it... ? IT IS!

Ustrello = Jack Thompson

OMG! It all makes sense now.

Yeah trusting actual psychologists over arm chair ones means I am an disbarred idiot from florida. Does that mean you are literally hitler?

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Some basic information about the shooter is starting to appear;
- lived in a cabin in the woods with no water or electricity

And that's the point where I assume that this is less of a politically motivated killing, and more of just a crazy person doing crazy things.

So far as the right-wing incitement of violence against abortion providers, I give you Bill O'Reilly. Of course, you're going to say "well, he never told anyone to kill the guy", which is true, and also why there is no point in really continuing this argument; because you can lead a horse to water, but you can't explain the subtext behind "will no one rid me of this troublesome priest", as they say.


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Jihadin wrote:Last time a video was involved cause a shooting match at Benghazi.

Ustrello wrote:[Does that mean you are literally hitler?

Easiest bingo ever.

 Ouze wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Some basic information about the shooter is starting to appear;
- lived in a cabin in the woods with no water or electricity

And that's the point where I assume that this is less of a politically motivated killing, and more of just a crazy person doing crazy things.

So far as the right-wing incitement of violence against abortion providers, I give you Bill O'Reilly. Of course, you're going to say "well, he never told anyone to kill the guy", which is true, and also why there is no point in really continuing this argument; because you can lead a horse to water, but you can't explain the subtext behind "will no one rid me of this troublesome priest", as they say.


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Jihadin wrote:Last time a video was involved cause a shooting match at Benghazi.

Ustrello wrote:[Does that mean you are literally hitler?

Easiest bingo ever.

Implying I meant it seriously, which is what I assume is needed for the square.

I wasn't hassling you, I swear And yes, I think it's clear no one here is calling anyone literally Hitler.

Although that would be handy because then I could ask who was making those films.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
What the violent rhetoric and silent approval from republicans led to this? Nooo

Violent rhetoric from Republicans? I don't pay a lot of attention to the abortion debate but I haven't heard this accusation leveled at the Republicans.

We just had six months of investigations and Congressional hearings into Planned Parenthood based on falsified, fraudulent videos where the agit-prop stated that Planned Parenthood was butchering babies like swine to sell their body parts on the organ markets.

Republicans, both in the citizenry and in Congress, swallowed these lies hook, line and sinker. The shooter has been reported to have screamed "No more butchered babies!" during the rampage.