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I came for the Hybrids, but stayed for the Deathwatch. Cool-looking minis.

Now how about those Hybrids?!????!?

I hold out hope that there'll be some transfers for other chapters. Maybe it's the picture quality, but the Imperial Fist and Raven Guard pads don't look moulded.

I've already got a decent DW contingent with some more obscure chapters (Angels Porphyr, Executioners, Novamrines, Mortifactors) with plans for more. Some blank shoulder pads and press moulding details from various models in the SM range furnish you with quite a range, as does imaginative use of certain FW pads. Otherwise there's always Shapeways to fulfil your non- first founding needs. There's a store called pop monkey that offers a custom set of 10 chapter pads (chosen from a list) with the likes of Deathspectres, Angels of Vengeance, Storm Wardens etc. being the basis.

These models look cool and should, with a bit of adjustment, be the perfect basis for lesser known chapters, though it would have been nice not to need to and I do share the sentiment that, with a product that would likely sell anyway, there was no need to overload it with First Founding chapters. especially those for whom Shoulder pads and other bits are not especially difficult to come by (Angels, Wolves).

H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Space Hulk also has individual characters though.

But ultimately they weren't very important to the game. It's not as if they had special abilities unique to each character (Librarian notwithstanding).

Most of them had unique weaponry, though. All we've seen is the miniatures. There's no details of the rules, so who's to say that the fact that one's an Ultramarine and one's a Dark Angel have any bearing on the game?

Mr Morden wrote:I thought the whole point of the Deathwatch was that you were subsumed into the chapter for the duration of your service and that the only remnant of your "home" chapter was your weapons (Maybe) and one shoulder badge.

There's hundreds of pages of RPG material about the Deathwatch. Looking at these miniatures, it's clear that they're all in the black and silver armour (with the right shoulder in their Chapter colours), as you describe. It's just that they've also retained some personal decoration. All Space Marine Chapters seem to allow that sort of decoration on individualMarines' armour, and the Deathwatch are no exception. It's just that here, the personal decoration isn't following a single theme.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I thought the whole point of the Deathwatch was that you were subsumed into the chapter for the duration of your service and that the only remnant of your "home" chapter was your weapons (Maybe) and one shoulder badge.

Guess that all been scrubbed then.........

This seems to be bunch of different marines get hired in the local pub and go adventuring together.

Not quite seeing what you mean. The Marines are in the standard issue black/silver that their armour gets painted. But that doesnt mean the Blood Angle has to shave his Armour Nipples off, the Dark Angel doesn't burn his smock and the Spacewolf doesn't have to keep his lucky wolf tails in quarantine for his stay.

If you want a homogeneous look, that is cool, you can get that done with a box of tactical marines, a Deathwatch upgrade sprue and your bitz box.

I am totally behind these new models and they fit my interpretation of Deathwatch.
I may be somewhat biased.
My 4k worth of points of Marines are already decked out in black with suspiciously silver left arms and blingy left shoulderpads.

The thing with the decoration is that while these guys are fancier than your standard 40k Tactical Marine, that Marine is very, very simplified compared to the artwork, simply due to limits of scale and detail. Look at SM artwork, you'll see purity seals and engravings and all kinds of extra paraphernalia on even the most basic of Marines, that simply can't be represnted on these models at their size/proportions.

These DW Marines do a lot to rectify that, in the same way the SH Terminators do, but obviously producing armies of minis this detailed in multi-pose kits is impossible.

 sockwithaticket wrote:
I hold out hope that there'll be some transfers for other chapters. Maybe it's the picture quality, but the Imperial Fist and Raven Guard pads don't look moulded.

I've already got a decent DW contingent with some more obscure chapters (Angels Porphyr, Executioners, Novamrines, Mortifactors) with plans for more. Some blank shoulder pads and press moulding details from various models in the SM range furnish you with quite a range, as does imaginative use of certain FW pads. Otherwise there's always Shapeways to fulfil your non- first founding needs. There's a store called pop monkey that offers a custom set of 10 chapter pads (chosen from a list) with the likes of Deathspectres, Angels of Vengeance, Storm Wardens etc. being the basis.

These models look cool and should, with a bit of adjustment, be the perfect basis for lesser known chapters, though it would have been nice not to need to and I do share the sentiment that, with a product that would likely sell anyway, there was no need to overload it with First Founding chapters. especially those for whom Shoulder pads and other bits are not especially difficult to come by (Angels, Wolves).

Great tip re Shapeways. The shop is Pop Goes The Monkey and here is the link to the actual item. There is a huge range of cool pads

EDIT The link is for one of many combinations, but you can choose your own custom set of 10

^ Thanks for doing my due diligence for me, TPC.

 Mr Morden wrote:
This seems to be bunch of different marines get hired in the local pub and go adventuring together.

No...

It's an oath of service, and a tour of duty. People are either sent to the Deathwatch as a reward, or to gain new skills or, sometimes, as a 'promotion' for more troublesome/outspoken Marines. They leave most of their Chapter behind, and embark on missions for whatever the Deathwatch in that area are set up to do.

 Mr Morden wrote:
I thought the whole point of the Deathwatch was that you were subsumed into the chapter for the duration of your service and that the only remnant of your "home" chapter was your weapons (Maybe) and one shoulder badge.

Guess that all been scrubbed then.........

This seems to be bunch of different marines get hired in the local pub and go adventuring together.

Sad no pics of something new - ie NOT marines for the self fulfilling prophecy of Marines sell because we mostly make marines, so lets make more Marines..

As has been mentioned by others, Marines on duty with the Deathwatch aren't required, or expected, to abandon loyalty to their chapter. I haven't been following DW for years and years like some people here, but about a year and a half ago I did a DW campaign with some friends, and the lore in the RPG books certainly makes it sound like Marines would still be wearing the gear of their chapter (perhaps even more so in the spirit of rivalry with other chapters).

They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out

 Paradigm wrote:
The thing with the decoration is that while these guys are fancier than your standard 40k Tactical Marine,

The standard marine appears to be an overly ornate, decorated super duper blinged up purity scrolls n skulls soldier. A "fancier" version of that? Bloody Christmas Tree.

 Mymearan wrote:
They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out

was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?

migooo wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out

was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?

The right shoulder guard is kept in the original colours to both appease the machine spirit of the suit of power armour and to proudly show the origins of the marine.

migooo wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out

was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?

Yup!

They keep their same armor, for the most part(the RPG has introduced some Relic armor suits that Deathwatch maintain for members of the Chapters whose relics they are), and repaint it black leaving one shoulder in its original livery to pay homage to the armor's Machine Spirit.

 BrookM wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out

was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?

The right shoulder guard is kept in the original colours to both appease the machine spirit of the suit of power armour and to proudly show the origins of the marine.

Huh... thanks was this in the WD article or the DW game?


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 Kanluwen wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
They keep their normal armor they just repaint it, so obviously it will be just as blinged out

was this always the case I thought they just kept a shoulder pad?

Yup!

They keep their same armor, for the most part(the RPG has introduced some Relic armor suits that Deathwatch maintain for members of the Chapters whose relics they are), and repaint it black leaving one shoulder in its original livery to pay homage to the armor's Machine Spirit.

So they retain their original Armour? well most of it. huh thanks more you know.

Way to see it is, a suit of power armour is made to fit the marine in question and they both get used to one another, the RPG has some nice power armour quirks that poke fun at this. While Bob Guardfodder can just get a new flak vest if there's a hole in it, Dwayne the Marine is wearing something a little more complex and expensive that isn't as easily replaced as it used to be back in the day.

I thought they kept their armor but replaced the left shoulder pad with a DW one. Is that not the case?

 BrookM wrote:
Way to see it is, a suit of power armour is made to fit the marine in question and they both get used to one another, the RPG has some nice power armour quirks that poke fun at this. While Bob Guardfodder can just get a new flak vest if there's a hole in it, Dwayne the Marine is wearing something a little more complex and expensive that isn't as easily replaced as it used to be back in the day.

I only own the admech books for the RPG ill probably get deathwatch now. is the lamenters dreadnaught guy mentioned?

 Fugazi wrote:
I thought they kept their armor but replaced the left shoulder pad with a DW one. Is that not the case?

The left one is replaced, but the rest is painted over.

migooo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Way to see it is, a suit of power armour is made to fit the marine in question and they both get used to one another, the RPG has some nice power armour quirks that poke fun at this. While Bob Guardfodder can just get a new flak vest if there's a hole in it, Dwayne the Marine is wearing something a little more complex and expensive that isn't as easily replaced as it used to be back in the day.

I only own the admech books for the RPG ill probably get deathwatch now. is the lamenters dreadnaught guy mentioned?

I honestly don't know, I only have the core book as I didn't delve into the rest of the range due to poor availability and it being something that doesn't tickle my fancy.

 BrookM wrote:

 Fugazi wrote:
I thought they kept their armor but replaced the left shoulder pad with a DW one. Is that not the case?

The left one is replaced, but the rest is painted over.

migooo wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Way to see it is, a suit of power armour is made to fit the marine in question and they both get used to one another, the RPG has some nice power armour quirks that poke fun at this. While Bob Guardfodder can just get a new flak vest if there's a hole in it, Dwayne the Marine is wearing something a little more complex and expensive that isn't as easily replaced as it used to be back in the day.

I only own the admech books for the RPG ill probably get deathwatch now. is the lamenters dreadnaught guy mentioned?

I honestly don't know, I only have the core book as I didn't delve into the rest of the range due to poor availability and it being something that doesn't tickle my fancy.

why i didnt buy anything more than the source books for admech. I wasnt sure about the dark eldar one if i cant flip through a book to look i dont tend to pick one up ( 4th ed D&D taught tme this)

 Fugazi wrote:
I thought they kept their armor but replaced the left shoulder pad with a DW one. Is that not the case?

There's a short story (who's name I cannot remember ) where the Deathwatch are fighting Dark Eldar, and a Space Wolf comments that his Deathwatch issued armour is better than his original armour.

I think it's time this was deployed -



Can't believe someone has that WD and still hasn't posted the other pages...

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I think it's time this was deployed -



Can't believe someone has that WD and still hasn't posted the other pages...

That "someone" is likely GW corporate, so it's entirely believable.

Well, regardless someone needs a kick in the stones for either being an incompetent leaker or a total b****rd of a tease lol.

@MajorTom: Not much biomass there to attract the hive fleet. No wonder we're waiting!

Here is a question for you all while we are waiting on cultists...What are the chances that Genestealer cultists will have access to Astra Militarium vehicles? I got a bunch that I want to sell, but while looking for cultist pics, I saw a lot with old IG vehicles.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Well, regardless someone needs a kick in the stones for either being an incompetent leaker or a total b****rd of a tease lol.

Makes sense to tease the Marines first. It gets people talking and it gets the Tyranid players grumbling.

And isn't that what's important? Grumbling Tyranid players?


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 Lord Scythican wrote:
Here is a question for you all while we are waiting on cultists...What are the chances that Genestealer cultists will have access to Astra Militarium vehicles? I got a bunch that I want to sell, but while looking for cultist pics, I saw a lot with old IG vehicles.

Spoiler:

That's someone just making a themed army long after Cultists ceased to have a GW supported list.

Cults were gone loooooooooooong before the plastic Heavy Weapon Teams even came out, much less the "Hellhound" variants!

Well I think we are getting somewhere, this is not like this stupid Nidvember with the hundreds of pages of specualtion an wishlisting and not a single actual Tyranid pick. At least we have a blury picture of the bad guys out of a White Dwarf which doesn't sent the hypetrain emediatly down the cliff.

 Kanluwen wrote:



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 Lord Scythican wrote:
Here is a question for you all while we are waiting on cultists...What are the chances that Genestealer cultists will have access to Astra Militarium vehicles? I got a bunch that I want to sell, but while looking for cultist pics, I saw a lot with old IG vehicles.

Spoiler:

That's someone just making a themed army long after Cultists ceased to have a GW supported list.

Cults were gone loooooooooooong before the plastic Heavy Weapon Teams even came out, much less the "Hellhound" variants!

Ahh....thanks for the info. I guess it still might be worth making a counts as AM army using cultists depending on how the look right?

There aren't many people more invested in GCults than me, and I'm still in a profound state of calm about it all.

I guess it's just been so long and such a pipe dream that I'm okay with letting things take their course. It's been 27 years since we've seen new Genestealer cult miniatures, and about 18 years since they were 100% official for 40K. Streak #1 is about to be broken, and hopefully streak #2 sees its end later this year.

 Lord Scythican wrote:
Here is a question for you all while we are waiting on cultists...What are the chances that Genestealer cultists will have access to Astra Militarium vehicles? I got a bunch that I want to sell, but while looking for cultist pics, I saw a lot with old IG vehicles.

The army list in the 2nd edition Tyranid codex gave them access to a bunch of IG stuff. I tend to think that they'll retain that, but in the form of battle brothers alliance with AM/IG rather than being baked into the list. The Harlequin or Admech setups would work perfectly for GCults...a few units, maybe a vehicle, a unique detachment and access to AM and Tyranid allies.

But we'll see. There hasn't been much talk of an actual GCult codex (or one for Deathwatch for that matter), so I'd guess that it's down the road a bit.