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That dude pronounced it 'Abhorrent' ('disgusting) throughout the video whereas the name and word is 'Aberrant' ('divergent'), a wholly different meaning.

 Yodhrin wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, if I bought thisbox, it'd be for small points value games in very congested urban terrain. Halfway between Kill Team and 40k (more like force size from 2nd edition).

Seriously people, Tactical Strike rules, HH Book 3, get 'em.

Book 3 you say? Dare I hope that has salamander rules?

I'm waiting for white Scars but ...

Sally rules are book 2, but you're probably best just waiting for the latest version of the Legion rules "Red Book" if that's what you're after, it's less than half the price of the core books and will cover all the Legions we've seen to date. Unfortunately FW have chosen not to release the Tactical Strike rules on their own, but if you can get access to book 3 in some way do so, best way to get into the Heresy IMO, and they work fine with 40K armies as well.

These same rules? http://adepticon.org/wpfiles/2015/HorusHeresyTacticalStrike.pdf

 BloodGrin wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
We better wait for a scan of the entire page for a final conclusion.

No, we had better not.
There is nothing else on that page about it, much like the Deathwatch side.
It is what it is, and it is fairly clear.
In the last WD it even talked about using them with Nids.
Some people just refuse to accept until someone slaps them in the face something.

No, it's not about refusing to accept something. Most people have said that it probably means you can ally them as BB with Nids (and I doubt anyone would have a problem with it, so I don't know why anyone would be refusing to accept it). But as usual, GW have written it in the most open, confusing way they possibly could have. If you need the context of another WD talking about using them with Nids to know for sure that's how they meant it, it's not well written.

Well, I have expected that Genestealer Cult could ally with renegate AM.

 BloodGrin wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
We better wait for a scan of the entire page for a final conclusion.

No, we had better not.
There is nothing else on that page about it, much like the Deathwatch side.
It is what it is, and it is fairly clear.
In the last WD it even talked about using them with Nids.
Some people just refuse to accept until someone slaps them in the face something.

Battle brothers with Tyranids is fine for me

Deploying the IG part of the army 12" away from the Cult is okay, infiltrating the brood will also help with most deployment issues.

So let's start a rebellion, or two!


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 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I have expected that Genestealer Cult could ally with renegate AM.

In 7th edition an army can be build with as many detachments as you want and also from any faction. The ally matrix is only about how units interact with each other. This is not 6th anymore

It is ambiguous, though they do hint at use with nids, seriously could they not have just put it in writing "battle brothers with Tyranid faction"

The allying thing is not confusing. People are just bringing their extra baggage to it with the assumption that Tyranids couldn't ally with anyone (which is also not true).

If it had said "can ally like Space Marines" no one would care, because 12 armies already ally like Space Marines and everyone accepts what that means.

Warhams-77 wrote:


In 7th edition an army can be build with as many detachments as you want and also from any faction. The ally matrix is only about how units interact with each other. This is not 6th anymore

Right. But I thought it would be easier for a Genestealer Cult (than for Nids) to interact with AM.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Right. But I thought it would be easier for a Genestealer Cult (than for Nids) to interact with AM.

Maybe GW wants to prevent some crazy strong combinations. I think in friendly games we can arrange a different status between these books to allow for more story-driven games.

Saw the models first hand today (breathtaking) flicked through the book (it's beautiful, full of cool fluff I didn't want to spoil) - and pre-ordered it.

CAN.NOT.WAIT

Warhams-77 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Right. But I thought it would be easier for a Genestealer Cult (than for Nids) to interact with AM.

Maybe GW wants to prevent some crazy strong combinations. I think in friendly games we can arrange a different status between these books to allow for more story-driven games.

Okay. Strong combinations? Haven't yet seen the rules of the Genestealer Cult.

yup, Pre ordered too and planning on extra units of hybrids from the bay to bulk out the pack. I want to convert some tank commanders for my half inched PDF chimera's etc.

 Tyran wrote:
I'm still wondering how the hell that guy got a Bonesword.

Fluff wise, a Grey Knight Nemesis force sword would be easier to acquire.

Possibly extruded from the Patriarchs back... he is kinda swordy lol...


As to the rules, it only makes sense that they are battle brothers with Tyranids, they ARE Tyranids.

When I was concocting my fluff for them, my theory was that a stealer cult would actually seek to spread off world, an inner cadre portion of it at least, when the Patriarch sensed the hive fleet approaching. This serves both to spread infection further and perpetuate the cycle, and also to serve the self-preservation of this uniquely independent Tyranid organism (the Patriarch). Then, when the Nids arrive to the world where the remainder of the cult is still fighting, the hivemind dominates them and takes them over, proxying the departed Patriarch. Thought that was a handy solution to make the cults unique and able to be divergent while still readily assimilated into a Nid force in the event they meet too.

 wuestenfux wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
Right. But I thought it would be easier for a Genestealer Cult (than for Nids) to interact with AM.

Maybe GW wants to prevent some crazy strong combinations. I think in friendly games we can arrange a different status between these books to allow for more story-driven games.

Okay. Strong combinations? Haven't yet seen the rules of the Genestealer Cult.

You're missing out!

http://natfka.blogspot.nl/2016/02/genestealer-cult-40k-rules.html

Sometimes, I can't believe the interwebs. There are plenty of things to not like GW about and plenty of rules to nitpick on, but I gotta believe that anyone who thinks Genestealer Cult working 'just like tyranids' meaning that they can't BB with tyranids has got to be trolling.

I think any halfway intelligent person who isnt just looking for a problem when there isn't one would take the tyranid line, and replace the word tyranid with genestealer cult. It would have the same icon and the same alliance icons as Tyranid. Which are BB with Tyranid...

 Melonfish wrote:
It is ambiguous, though they do hint at use with nids, seriously could they not have just put it in writing "battle brothers with Tyranid faction"

They don't need to put it in writing beyond what they did.

If they Ally using the same chart as Tyranids, that means they are Battle-Brothers.
Tyranids are Battle-Brothers with Tyranids and CTA for everything else.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
I'm still wondering how the hell that guy got a Bonesword.

Fluff wise, a Grey Knight Nemesis force sword would be easier to acquire.

Possibly extruded from the Patriarchs back... he is kinda swordy lol...


As to the rules, it only makes sense that they are battle brothers with Tyranids, they ARE Tyranids.

When I was concocting my fluff for them, my theory was that a stealer cult would actually seek to spread off world, an inner cadre portion of it at least, when the Patriarch sensed the hive fleet approaching. This serves both to spread infection further and perpetuate the cycle, and also to serve the self-preservation of this uniquely independent Tyranid organism (the Patriarch). Then, when the Nids arrive to the world where the remainder of the cult is still fighting, the hivemind dominates them and takes them over, proxying the departed Patriarch. Thought that was a handy solution to make the cults unique and able to be divergent while still readily assimilated into a Nid force in the event they meet too.

A perfect take on the background, thanks for sharing!

And with regards to the bonesword, many of the 1st generation hybrids are also armed with exotic alien daggers. I presume they are bought from off world through black markets.

 Talys wrote:
Sometimes, I can't believe the interwebs. There are plenty of things to not like GW about and plenty of rules to nitpick on, but I gotta believe that anyone who thinks Genestealer Cult working 'just like tyranids' meaning that they can't BB with tyranids has got to be trolling.

I think any halfway intelligent person who isnt just looking for a problem when there isn't one would take the tyranid line, and replace the word tyranid with genestealer cult. It would have the same icon and the same alliance icons as Tyranid. Which are BB with Tyranid...

Or it means they aren't BB with anything but themselves, like Tyranids. I agree with your conclusion but you can read it either way.

Since I'm already sitting on 100+ painted Hybrids and other units, I'm more interested in these rules as a peek toward the eventual codex than as a way to play the minis in the box for a few months.

As others have said, Hybrids and the HQs look strong, Aberrants look interesting, and Purestrains are a little concerning. The overall concept seems to be "ambush-y." The execution may change in the codex, but I'm definitely cool with that approach. It flows from the fluff.

For allies...I guess that actually makes some sense. And if you want Brood Brothers, you take an AM detachment or formation (I'm definitely eyeing up the Mont'va stuff) and you're good. There won't be the interplay between factions like you'd have with BB allies, but it's fine. I'll probably take a look at the AM psykers as a way to build up the dice pool for the GC psykers, at least.

Still weird to me that they reversed "Neophytes" and "Acolytes" from the old fluff. Wonder what their reasoning was?

First we have Tau players wanting our Guard formations for Gue'vasa and now we have Genestealer Cults doing the same thing.

Great. Just great. I fully expect the next Guard book to be even worse because of that.

I'm actually thinking of using Orange and red do you think it could work? For the cult?

 Kanluwen wrote:
First we have Tau players wanting our Guard formations for Gue'vasa and now we have Genestealer Cults doing the same thing.

Great. Just great. I fully expect the next Guard book to be even worse because of that.

Well, from a fluff perspective you can ally guard with practically everybody. From being Space Marines' cannon-fodder to being Necrons' slaves.

 Kanluwen wrote:
First we have Tau players wanting our Guard formations for Gue'vasa and now we have Genestealer Cults doing the same thing.

Great. Just great. I fully expect the next Guard book to be even worse because of that.

GSC had 'Brood Brothers' aka PDF aka IG (aka AM) twenty odd years ago...

Could always model some tanks coated in cultists/hybrids to be counts-as Exocrines, Dakkafexes, etc. Yes, it's an MC rather than a vehicle, and it's way better at CC than regular vehicles, but that's because of all those clawed fanged loons hanging off it.

I actually wonder if a stealer could even infect a machine dominant cyborg... I mean... if the... bits... aren't there to breed, can the brain has been heavily segmented and is reliant on cybernetics for the actual thought process, what can the stealer phage actually take over really. It is blocked both mentally and physically I would imagine???

Same goes for Orks now with their current reproductive fluff, it seems to me it may be too unique a reproductive method for a stealer to infect them. There is no mating drive or paternal affection to leverage either, an ork reproduces like we shed skin cells. On the other hand, I suppose arguments could be made that the Tyranids are so genetically skilled they accounted even for this method of reproduction when designing the stealer phage.

Even discounting those two, it still leaves a ton of potential 'allies' via brood brotherhood, PDF, IG, Arbites, Civ, even inquisition, assassin and naval. That's just human... Abhumans, Eldar, dark eldar, Tau and a ton of others would be 'eligible'.

One thing I have never heard of in the fluff though is multi species broods, it always seems to be one species.

 Souleater wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
First we have Tau players wanting our Guard formations for Gue'vasa and now we have Genestealer Cults doing the same thing.

Great. Just great. I fully expect the next Guard book to be even worse because of that.

GSC had 'Brood Brothers' aka PDF aka IG (aka AM) twenty odd years ago...

PDF have as much in common with the IG as a backwoods Sheriff has with Delta Force, if we're talking about the "common thinking" of the concept.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I actually wonder if a stealer could even infect a machine dominant cyborg...

Yes - there's infected tech-priests in one of the Cain novels.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Souleater wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
First we have Tau players wanting our Guard formations for Gue'vasa and now we have Genestealer Cults doing the same thing.

Great. Just great. I fully expect the next Guard book to be even worse because of that.

GSC had 'Brood Brothers' aka PDF aka IG (aka AM) twenty odd years ago...

PDF have as much in common with the IG as a backwoods Sheriff has with Delta Force, if we're talking about the "common thinking" of the concept.

I really hope you didn't equate IG with Delta Force just then...

 Swara wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

migooo wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, if I bought thisbox, it'd be for small points value games in very congested urban terrain. Halfway between Kill Team and 40k (more like force size from 2nd edition).

Seriously people, Tactical Strike rules, HH Book 3, get 'em.

Book 3 you say? Dare I hope that has salamander rules?

I'm waiting for white Scars but ...

Sally rules are book 2, but you're probably best just waiting for the latest version of the Legion rules "Red Book" if that's what you're after, it's less than half the price of the core books and will cover all the Legions we've seen to date. Unfortunately FW have chosen not to release the Tactical Strike rules on their own, but if you can get access to book 3 in some way do so, best way to get into the Heresy IMO, and they work fine with 40K armies as well.

These same rules? http://adepticon.org/wpfiles/2015/HorusHeresyTacticalStrike.pdf

That version is incomplete and features a LOT of houseruling.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Souleater wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
First we have Tau players wanting our Guard formations for Gue'vasa and now we have Genestealer Cults doing the same thing.

Great. Just great. I fully expect the next Guard book to be even worse because of that.

GSC had 'Brood Brothers' aka PDF aka IG (aka AM) twenty odd years ago...

PDF have as much in common with the IG as a backwoods Sheriff has with Delta Force, if we're talking about the "common thinking" of the concept.

AGAIN, you're looking for a level of granularity that isn't there in the rules for the game. When people build "PDF" armies, they use the AM codex. Because it's EASILY the closest thing...platoons, Chimeras, Russes, heavy weapons teams, etc.

Besides, even in the fluff there are crappy IG regiments and outstanding PDFs, like the Ultramar Auxilia.


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 Nostromodamus wrote:
I really hope you didn't equate IG with Delta Force just then...

He undoubtedly meant "Megaforce."