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2015/12/07 16:00:51
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
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Its not like guns are all that complicated relatively speaking.
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Thankfully, would be terrorists and serial killers haven't learned to turn silver paint and urine into bulk H.M.E. That would be much worse than guns and much harder for LEO/FBI/CIA/NSA to track.
Honestly the fact that H.M.E is relatively easy to build and use makes me wonder if there is a specific reason for the use of guns. Its also surprising we haven't seen road side I.E.Ds and V.I.E.Ds yet in Western nations.
2015/12/07 17:01:32
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
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H.M.E?
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Gotcha. Yeah, it is a little odd given the easy access to nasty chemicals, particularly common cleaning products.
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It's also pretty easy to make if you know some chemistry. Although, thankfully, most terrorists don't seem to know much about chemistry, the last ANFO bomb attempt in the US (at least high-profile one) was that one in times square that didn't work.
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2015/12/07 17:08:48
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
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Seems like any self-radicalized individual might know a little more though, especially if they had any chemistry classes in school.
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ISIS could easily disseminate the info, Al-Queda has been doing it for years. The bombs the Taliban/Haqqani would make would have MacGyver feeling ashamed for his lack of imagination and skill.
The Tsarnaev brothers made a go at bomb building. Saddly they accomplished their mission but thankfully they were very bad at it.
2015/12/07 20:28:38
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
Making simple explosives out of icing sugar and weedkiller is very easy, so is electrical detonation.
Given enough materials, and an oil drum, you can make a device that will do a lot of damage to even a modern tank, by the Miznay-Shardin Plate effect. That is what the insurgents in Iraq were doing.
Well, luckily for us, bomb making by self-taught/book schooled jihadi wannabe's tends to be far more dangerous to the bomb maker(s).
Most serious & skilled bomb makers end up at some point harming themselves, (or else just outright killing themselves). An untrained civilian who at best has only basic high school chemistry level knowledge is going to struggle to build & successfully detonate even a basic pipe bomb.
IIRC, didn't the Boston Marathon bombers require well over a month to build just two pressure cooker devices?
2015/12/07 23:29:55
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
Not to mention, without proper facilities and gear, if they are working to make chemical bombs, they are likely likely to breath in the stuff that kills them.
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2015/12/07 23:34:18
Subject: Re:Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
Felisa Cardona, a spokeswoman for San Bernardino County, confirmed to The Times that Environmental Health Services employees such as Farook underwent “active-shooter training” about a year ago, in the same room where Wednesday’s massacre occurred.
Cardona said county officials could not recall whether Farook attended the training with his co-workers, but said that some of the shooting victims were likely to have participated.
It was not immediately clear how many employees received the training or how many years the county had conducted it, the spokeswoman said.
I guess the annual mandatory training events are not all that effective.
They aren't. Same reason why a lot of martial artists despite doing it for several years will end up standing around frozen in dangerous situations - they have never experienced real threat. That's why, for example, Krav Maga or CQC is much more effective with a proper training - you can be assaulted anytime, anywhere, even if not in a "training session". Despite afterwards knowing it was just a trick and not a real assault, in this very situation, it's real. And even if by any chance, in a real assault, you think it's a trick, you end up being more calm and pulling off your routines, thus being more efficient.
/e: Just to be clear, those trainings still are a very good thing. It's always better to know at least some routines instead of being totally helpless. In reality, however, they don't work as you'd think they do.
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Such training will never net 100% results. I feel that we undergo the training in the hopes that there is one person who has the ability to react, so they'll know what to do.
You'll never save everyone with this type of training (and I'm referring to all forms of "annual training", such as sexual assault, suicide prevention,etc...). It can lead to some lives being saved though, and that's better then nothing.
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2015/12/07 23:56:30
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
Most of the 'annual training' is pure 'check the block' crap. Both the trainers and the trainees treat it that way for the most part.
Heck, I have to do my annual 'active shooter training' via an interactive web based lesson. It has not changed in like 5 years. Though anecdotal, I don't know a single person who sees it as anything but a pain in the ass must do to keep off the naughty list requirement.
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2015/12/08 00:36:23
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
djones520 wrote: Such training will never net 100% results. I feel that we undergo the training in the hopes that there is one person who has the ability to react, so they'll know what to do.
You'll never save everyone with this type of training (and I'm referring to all forms of "annual training", such as sexual assault, suicide prevention,etc...). It can lead to some lives being saved though, and that's better then nothing.
Training is useless TBH. My school makes every student go through sexual assault and bystander intervention training is you see a rape happening.
Its just useless TBH, those who are gonna rape, dont care, those who would intervene are likely not gonna actually be there(I dont go to alchohol fueled parties anymore, why do I need to see that?
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2015/12/08 00:37:59
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
Thanks for the information, so in theory because the killer became a fanatic, he may have known some people who could get or modify his guns to become full auto.
Scanner traffic indicates law enforcement may have investigated San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook a week before the attack.
No real details except for what came over police scanners in the area. But how much more can you do if having the police to a "knock & talk" doesn't find anything wrong?
2015/12/08 01:02:32
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
djones520 wrote: Such training will never net 100% results. I feel that we undergo the training in the hopes that there is one person who has the ability to react, so they'll know what to do.
You'll never save everyone with this type of training (and I'm referring to all forms of "annual training", such as sexual assault, suicide prevention,etc...). It can lead to some lives being saved though, and that's better then nothing.
Training is useless TBH. My school makes every student go through sexual assault and bystander intervention training is you see a rape happening.
Its just useless TBH, those who are gonna rape, dont care, those who would intervene are likely not gonna actually be there(I dont go to alchohol fueled parties anymore, why do I need to see that?
Incorrect and often proven to be so. Those trainings to help because they provide people with /patterns/. If encountering a learned situation, people, if trained well, remember the pattern they learned and are more likely to follow it or, at the very least, feel more secure and are thus more likely to be able to act. Annual trainings, however, do not help with actually properly reacting, i.e. immediately reacting as if a behavior was triggered because you may remember the pattern, but it's not internalized yet.
The entire rape thingy is more difficult than the violence training because the legal definition of rape conflicts with that the common definition of it and thus, there is no clear trigger for people to react upon said behavior. A proper training would imprint a pattern like seeing someone slipping sth. into a drink, someone fondling someone else who is seemingly drunk etc. Clear, recognizable patterns. Teaching stuff like "Stop right there mister, she had a single beer!" is just stupid because it's a pattern that directly conflicts with common sense and thus can never be acted upon. Good training teaches clear, memorizable patterns instead of teaching someone rules and expecting them to then measure, each time, personally, whether the rule is broken or not. If people get in a "Hmm that could be..." situation, the pattern will, in most cases, not trigger. Clear, recognizable. That's the key.
Co'tor Shas wrote: That's really all it takes? That looks like something I could manufacture in with the stuff in my basement.
It really is mechanically very easy, all you're doing is essentially making it so that the hammer doesn't stay retained after being pulled and just flings itself back up after the bolt passes over. On open-bolt guns its even easier, as they're often actually more complex to make semi-auto than full auto, and hence why the ATF no longer allow the sale of new open bolt weapons AFAIK.
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2015/12/08 05:26:38
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
Really.... full auto isn't just an automatic (hah!) upgrade over semi auto. Semi is better for almost any purpose where your goal is point a weapon at someone and killerize them.
Full auto weapons are great for suppressing fire when you have a stable firing position and/or a mechanical support, but for hip fire it is largely useless outside of intimidation. Three round bursts or single shot, that's the way to go.
And I say this as a person who can claim with all honesty to be an expert machinegunner.
2015/12/08 06:12:25
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
Bromsy wrote: Really.... full auto isn't just an automatic (hah!) upgrade over semi auto. Semi is better for almost any purpose where your goal is point a weapon at someone and killerize them.
Full auto weapons are great for suppressing fire when you have a stable firing position and/or a mechanical support, but for hip fire it is largely useless outside of intimidation. Three round bursts or single shot, that's the way to go.
And I say this as a person who can claim with all honesty to be an expert machinegunner.
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2015/12/09 00:49:10
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
Theres no real reason to even go to the trouble of converting to full auto.
I have a redjacket ak74, and i can empty a 30rd mags fast as you like.
Heck. When i was in afghanistan, i did'nt use the 3rd burst on my rifle. I always shot semi. The rifle got too hot, and could stop up.
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2015/12/09 02:05:52
Subject: Re:Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
people are flocking to buy guns and practice using the guns where Farook practiced.
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SAN BERNARDINO -- There was a custody hearing on Tuesday for the 6-month-old daughter of Tashfeen Malik -- a Pakistani in the U.S. on a Visa -- and her American husband, Syed Farook, who murdered 14 people at a holiday party in California.
Farook's sister wants to adopt the baby from state custody. CBS News learned on Tuesday that Farook took out a $28,000 loan before the massacre.
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San Bernardino shooters practiced shooting before attack
CBS News has found that the shooting last Wednesday is sending many in San Bernardino to the gun store.
At a gun shop less than two miles from the scene of the massacre, more than two dozen people were lined up outside when it opened on Tuesday morning.
It's a similar story at the gun range where Farook did some target practice two days before he killed 14 coworkers.
Business at the range is up 60 percent since the attack.
Desiree Pagliuso is a single mother of three. She didn't have a gun in the house before, but after the shooting, she does.
"The reason it's changed now is because it's in our neighborhood," she said. "I've had you know multiple conversations with women that have never even shot guns that are looking into buying guns to be able to protect themselves."
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Nerves are frayed throughout the community. On Sunday night, there was panic when reports of gunfire at a nearby shopping mall led to more than 300 law enforcement officers circling the property. It turned out to be a robbery where people mistook the sound of smashing glass for gunshots.
"People are on edge, and people are a little extra cautious," said San Bernardino Chief Jarrod Burguan. "That's good that's what we are asking people to do."
For Pagliuso, being extra cautious now means owning a gun.
"911 is not that quick a response and in 2.5 seconds they are not going to be there," said Pagliuso.
Gun and ammunition manufacturing is at $13.5 billion industry in the United States. According to FBI data, the number of requests for background checks to buy guns spikes after high profile mass shootings like San Bernardino.
2015/12/09 02:34:18
Subject: Active shooter, reports of multiple victims in San Bernardino, Calif.
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