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 Grumblewartz wrote:
A lot of 40k hipsters are going on and on about how the game is dying, blah blah blah. It is like anything else these days, if it is big, successful, and popular, it isn't cool - so it must fail. They spew their hate every chance they get, which has driven down activity in the forums - at least, from anecdotal experience. 40k is by no means dying, but it is a niche market and like any other niche market, it will fluctuate in popularity in areas. Some areas that were hubs become ghost towns, while new ones emerge elsewhere. A lot of long-time players like myself are used to playing it for a few years, then switching to another game for a little while. Such fluctuations are represented in the local gaming scene as well.

The decline of local clubs is also, it seems, partially driven by the economy in general. 40k, board games, etc. are not an incredibly safe investment. Even now when nerd is cooler than ever, it isn't easy to turn a major profit. So, with the economic down turn, many stores are shifting their focus, using their space in order to diversify their product, leaving less room for tables that don't generate that much money (most people buy product online because it is cheaper).

Anyways, there are a number of very positive trends that suggest that 40k is trending upwards again. I think one of the biggest is that there are more channels on Youtube than ever, which show many different styles of play.

What trends are those? Because it certainly isn't GW's financial reports. The economy is in a much better place today than it was 5, 10 years ago, yet GW is not. In previous times, yes, there were fluctuations in the game as people moved out or took breaks, but they were replaced almost immediately by new people coming into the hobby. Now? Now that is not the case. People that step out tend not to step back in, ever.

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Yes, it is GW's fault that people constantly try to break a game that was never designed for competitive play. Yes, it is their fault the game is sooooooo expensive (oh wait, don't look now, model WWII tanks of any quality are at least $45 new). Oh x army is better than y army. Spread more hate over things that are 1.) beyond their control; 2.) universal to a game centered on the production of miniatures for a nice market; 3.) my friends are all because they spam the best units of an elite army and I refuse to play anything other than my favorite list that hasn't changed in 4 editions - it is totally GW's fault, yet again; 4.) I quit playing the game 5 years ago but I constantly feel the need to badmouth the hobby because, you know, internet reasons; 5.g) Screw GW for not supporting my favorite army that no one else really plays, but they should spend hundreds of thousands of $$$$...by the way I am not going to buy any of the new sets.

And dude, if you can't find youtube channels with 40k battle reports of all types, I mean...you know that you are trolling. Literally type 40k battle report and search it.

You realise that GW had there own competitive events before right? And the nature of any game with a winner or a loser, kinda makes it competitve.
(Don't look now, but a box of dire avengers used to be 10 models for the same price)

X army being better than Y army could be solved by whoever writes the rules...would that be GW by any chance?

2) This niche market is expanding, other companies manage to create and improve some sembalance of balance with their accompanying games. So quality of rules could be an effect.

3) Bandwagoning is a thing, that would be less of a thing if the game was more balanced ( in before go play chess for perfect balance, I'm not asking for that, just more balance or at least some effort into it).

5) I for one would love to come back. But I'm also older now than I was getting into it originally, so the state of the game ( which is actually the thing that sells the models in my opinion) is rather important to me playing again ( not having anywhere to play is another matter... see me earlier post in the thread). But feel free to keep painting people as 'haterz' with that wide brush. Rather than seeing that a lot of us want the game to succeed and be great.

6) Most certainly screw GW for not supporting my armies. I would love a Chaos codex ( you know one of the mainstay armies in the setting, also probably one of the more popular) that actually does them justice. I'm sure a revitilised Sister of Battle codex would fly off the shelves. But GW doesn't do the research so won't know what sells, instead opting to throw everything at it's consumers without knowing why something will sell. I'd buy chaos chosen kits if they came out, I'd buy chaos havocs with the full range of weapon options, if they came out. If a Chaos Marines codex came out that was vaguely like the 3.5 edition (look at the flavour). I wouldn't be seen for a few days.

But let's face it, you're probably not going to attempt to understand any vaguely nuanced reasoning and just paint with the same brush many others have done before. While complaining about complaining.

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Yes, it is their fault the game is sooooooo expensive (oh wait, don't look now, model WWII tanks of any quality are at least $45 new).

Err, no.
Building a Tamiya 1/35 Panther Ausf A at the moment. Far more detailed than any 40K vehicle, and is super heavy sized in comparison to 40K stuff. Cost £15.
Bought a Tamiya 1/35 Stuart yesterday for £11.50

How about Bandai Gundam kits ? Multi-coloured plastic, snap fit and more detailed than 40K mecha. All significantly cheaper than 40K equivalents.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
But GW doesn't do the research so won't know what sells, instead opting to throw everything at it's consumers without knowing why something will sell.

Seriously people... Let us not speculate on things we don't know. There is too much speculation going on regarding GW. GW does not communicate its actions to its fanbase, and afaik, no one here has worked at GW HQ. Therefore it is not possible to know whether they do research or not, and stating as fact things like "GW doesn't do research" just makes you look dumb. Almost every company keeps statistics on its sales, so if we really do have to engage in speculation it is more logical to conclude that GW probably is fully aware of what sells and what doesn't.

Personally, I think 40k is very far from dying. It is still by far the largest wargame in the world, and still gets lots of new players. That 40k is declining somewhat and not as huge as its used to be is due to increased competition. 20 or 10 years ago, there were not much alternatives to 40k on a comparable level of scale, popularity and quality. Nowadays, there are. This is big difference.


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Bartali wrote:

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Yes, it is their fault the game is sooooooo expensive (oh wait, don't look now, model WWII tanks of any quality are at least $45 new).

Err, no.
Building a Tamiya 1/35 Panther Ausf A at the moment. Far more detailed than any 40K vehicle, and is super heavy sized in comparison to 40K stuff. Cost £15.
Bought a Tamiya 1/35 Stuart yesterday for £11.50

How about Bandai Gundam kits ? Multi-coloured plastic, snap fit and more detailed than 40K mecha. All significantly cheaper than 40K equivalents.

Yes, but GW is not more expansive than other Wargame Companies. In fact, on a model for model basis, PP or CB, to name two well-known examples, are actually more expansive.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
But GW doesn't do the research so won't know what sells, instead opting to throw everything at it's consumers without knowing why something will sell.

Seriously people... Let us not speculate on things we don't know. There is too much speculation going on regarding GW. GW does not communicate its actions to its fanbase, and afaik, no one here has worked at GW HQ. Therefore it is not possible to know whether they do research or not, and stating as fact things like "GW doesn't do research" just makes you look dumb. Almost every company keeps statistics on its sales, so if we really do have to engage in speculation it is more logical to conclude that GW probably is fully aware of what sells and what doesn't.

People aren't just pulling that statement out of thin air. It was outright quoted in one of their recent annual reports that they don't do market research.

Bartali wrote:

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Yes, it is their fault the game is sooooooo expensive (oh wait, don't look now, model WWII tanks of any quality are at least $45 new).

Err, no.
Building a Tamiya 1/35 Panther Ausf A at the moment. Far more detailed than any 40K vehicle, and is super heavy sized in comparison to 40K stuff. Cost £15.
Bought a Tamiya 1/35 Stuart yesterday for £11.50

How about Bandai Gundam kits ? Multi-coloured plastic, snap fit and more detailed than 40K mecha. All significantly cheaper than 40K equivalents.

Here, here. Bandai's Gundam kits are probably the best plastic model in the world for building, painting, and converting.
If you ever need a robot miniature, it is usually best to find an accurately sized Gundam kit instead.


Internal leg skeleton of the Master Grade 1/100 Nu Gundam Ka.


Perfect Grade 1/60 Unicorn Gundam

For $50 less than a Stormsurge, I could get the PG Unicorn Gundam, which is a taller, bigger, more detailed, fully articulated, transforming, snap together model.
This thing dwarfs Warhound Titans at 14" tall.

This is why people are so hoping that Bandai purchase Games Workshop. Their price to quality is phenomenal, able to produce fully articulate body from a solid mold at less than $20 with a full kit to build around it.

That would be cool, but I don't really want them to ruin the IP.

 Xca|iber wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
But GW doesn't do the research so won't know what sells, instead opting to throw everything at it's consumers without knowing why something will sell.

Seriously people... Let us not speculate on things we don't know. There is too much speculation going on regarding GW. GW does not communicate its actions to its fanbase, and afaik, no one here has worked at GW HQ. Therefore it is not possible to know whether they do research or not, and stating as fact things like "GW doesn't do research" just makes you look dumb. Almost every company keeps statistics on its sales, so if we really do have to engage in speculation it is more logical to conclude that GW probably is fully aware of what sells and what doesn't.

People aren't just pulling that statement out of thin air. It was outright quoted in one of their recent annual reports that they don't do market research.

The quote you are likely referring to is:

GW wrote:Our market is a niche market made up of people who want to collect our miniatures. They tend to be male, middle-class, discerning
teenagers and adults. We do no demographic research, we have no focus groups, we do not ask the market what it wants. These things are otiose in a niche.

What this means, is that GW considers research into its customer base unneccesary, because all details are otiose (now that is a funny word) in such a small niche market.
It does not mean however, that GW doesn't do any market research at all, and if you read through the annual reports, you will see many examples of GW having done market research, like SWOT analyses.
I think you are confusing market research (which is incredibly broad and mostly concerned about a company's position in the market) with marketing research (which is research into the customer base). This GW indeed doesn't seem to do, because they think it otiose (I will use that word a lot from now on )

I have recently become interested in painting my models again after taking a break for the last few years.

When I have returned to the hobby I have discovered fantasy seems to not really be a thing anymore so I've sold off most of my Vampire Counts and Elves.

I will keep the remaining 40k models I have purely just to paint in my spare time.

I would like to play some games but it seems no one in the area plays anymore, local store shut nearly a year back, found another store that is phasing out Warhammer stuff because the owner said there's no interest also and the local club seems to just have warmachine/mtg and board games.

Personally I would like to play more 40k, but if there's no one around to play it becomes a bit hard to stay interested.

Long post but just my thoughts as someone wanting to get back into the hobby and finding it difficult to do so.

 LethalShade wrote:
That would be cool, but I don't really want them to ruin the IP.

If Bandai does purchase Games Workshop, it won't be for their modeling factories. The primary focus of the purchase would be the IPs, and I would hope that whoever purchases them has the wherewithal to maintain the flagship IP.

 Grumblewartz wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
So much sarcasm, so little content. It will be more constructive to not get emotional, you're not GW so try not to take it personally

If you are annoyed by people complaining about GW, the solution is simple. Don't visit forum threads discussing issues with aspects of GW. There are plenty of other threads that can enrich your GW experience. Bliss is just a click away. You can't come onto a thread to complain about the thread causing you annoyance because you're doing it to yourself. People aren't forcing you to read it.

What a strange world that we live in where the person who is positive about the hobby and game that we are on a forum discussing is the one who is told to leave the forums.

. There's a fine line between enthusiastic and insulting.

 Nilok wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:
That would be cool, but I don't really want them to ruin the IP.

If Bandai does purchase Games Workshop, it won't be for their modeling factories. The primary focus of the purchase would be the IPs, and I would hope that whoever purchases them has the wherewithal to maintain the flagship IP.

Bandai generally does good work with IP - since buying Sunrise in 1994 they've kept the Gundam franchise churning along nicely.
Their recently launched Star Wars kits are also amazing.

I can't see Bandai buying out GW though - little appeal in their home market. Be nice if a potential GW buyer sub-contracts the kits out to Tamiya or Bandai though

Bartali wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:
That would be cool, but I don't really want them to ruin the IP.

If Bandai does purchase Games Workshop, it won't be for their modeling factories. The primary focus of the purchase would be the IPs, and I would hope that whoever purchases them has the wherewithal to maintain the flagship IP.

Bandai generally does good work with IP - since buying Sunrise in 1994 they've kept the Gundam franchise churning along nicely.
Their recently launched Star Wars kits are also amazing.

I can't see Bandai buying out GW though - little appeal in their home market. Be nice if a potential GW buyer sub-contracts the kits out to Tamiya or Bandai though

As long as they don't ruin the story more than GW do, and they don't replace Space Marines armours and gothic design with miniature gundams, I'm fine.

 LethalShade wrote:

Bartali wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:
That would be cool, but I don't really want them to ruin the IP.

If Bandai does purchase Games Workshop, it won't be for their modeling factories. The primary focus of the purchase would be the IPs, and I would hope that whoever purchases them has the wherewithal to maintain the flagship IP.

Bandai generally does good work with IP - since buying Sunrise in 1994 they've kept the Gundam franchise churning along nicely.
Their recently launched Star Wars kits are also amazing.

I can't see Bandai buying out GW though - little appeal in their home market. Be nice if a potential GW buyer sub-contracts the kits out to Tamiya or Bandai though

As long as they don't ruin the story more than GW do, and they don't replace Space Marines armours and gothic design with miniature gundams, I'm fine.

Tamiya does more than just Gundam kits... They have a large range of 1/48 WWII models kits that some people are already using for their Imperial Guard.


And besides, some Zeon Mobile Suits can make good Space Marine.

 Iron_Captain wrote:

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Bartali wrote:

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Yes, it is their fault the game is sooooooo expensive (oh wait, don't look now, model WWII tanks of any quality are at least $45 new).

Err, no.
Building a Tamiya 1/35 Panther Ausf A at the moment. Far more detailed than any 40K vehicle, and is super heavy sized in comparison to 40K stuff. Cost £15.
Bought a Tamiya 1/35 Stuart yesterday for £11.50

How about Bandai Gundam kits ? Multi-coloured plastic, snap fit and more detailed than 40K mecha. All significantly cheaper than 40K equivalents.

Yes, but GW is not more expansive than other Wargame Companies. In fact, on a model for model basis, PP or CB, to name two well-known examples, are actually more expansive.

Actually GW are the most expensive out there that I have encountered. To give you some idea of the price difference I can purchase a full 1/56 scale Cromwell tank from Warlord Games, a tank which is fully detailed and far superior to GW's kits and it will cost me a grand total of £18. As opposed to the crappy Leman Russ kit which is close to the £40 mark.
I can get 25 well detailed infantry with all the weapon options and more for £24 as opposed to GW's £22.50 for 10 basic grunts with less than half the weapons available and crappy ape like detailing.
I can get a resin and white metal tank which is made to order for £25.

Hell, for the price of GW's starter set and one codex to go with it I can start any of the following systems and have a full tournament sized (or close too) army for them:
Infinity
Warmachine/Hordes
Bolt Action (I can have two armies for this game)
Dark Age
Dropzone Commander
Battletech
Malifaux
X-wing
and many more.
GW and their prices are so far from the norm that you cant even see it with the Hubble telescope.

 Grumblewartz wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
So much sarcasm, so little content. It will be more constructive to not get emotional, you're not GW so try not to take it personally

If you are annoyed by people complaining about GW, the solution is simple. Don't visit forum threads discussing issues with aspects of GW. There are plenty of other threads that can enrich your GW experience. Bliss is just a click away. You can't come onto a thread to complain about the thread causing you annoyance because you're doing it to yourself. People aren't forcing you to read it.

What a strange world that we live in where the person who is positive about the hobby and game that we are on a forum discussing is the one who is told to leave the forums.

It IS GW's fault that Eldar players can accidentally build a list that BA can almost never beat.

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Yes, it is GW's fault that people constantly try to break a game that was never designed for competitive play.
...

Players may have been led to the error of supposing 40K was for competition use by the points balance system that GW designed, and the numerous competitions that GW ran or sponsored.

 Grumblewartz wrote:
What a strange world that we live in where the person who is positive about the hobby and game that we are on a forum discussing is the one who is told to leave the forums.

You might be positive about the hobby, but you're not expressing positivity. You are attacking the character and motives of people that disagree with you, which is inflammatory.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Grumblewartz wrote:
Yes, it is GW's fault that people constantly try to break a game that was never designed for competitive play.
...

Players may have been led to the error of supposing 40K was for competition use by the points balance system that GW designed, and the numerous competitions that GW ran or sponsored.

Or that its a wargame.
You mean to tell me that people expect a tactical wargame with complex mechanics, a variety of unit choices and pricy miniatures to be balanced?
Say it ain't so!


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Martel732 wrote:

 Grumblewartz wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
So much sarcasm, so little content. It will be more constructive to not get emotional, you're not GW so try not to take it personally

If you are annoyed by people complaining about GW, the solution is simple. Don't visit forum threads discussing issues with aspects of GW. There are plenty of other threads that can enrich your GW experience. Bliss is just a click away. You can't come onto a thread to complain about the thread causing you annoyance because you're doing it to yourself. People aren't forcing you to read it.

What a strange world that we live in where the person who is positive about the hobby and game that we are on a forum discussing is the one who is told to leave the forums.

It IS GW's fault that Eldar players can accidentally build a list that BA can almost never beat.

Out of curiosity, what bs are Eldar up to this time? Still Wave Serpents, or is it bikes? I lost track.


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 LethalShade wrote:

Bartali wrote:

 Nilok wrote:

 LethalShade wrote:
That would be cool, but I don't really want them to ruin the IP.

If Bandai does purchase Games Workshop, it won't be for their modeling factories. The primary focus of the purchase would be the IPs, and I would hope that whoever purchases them has the wherewithal to maintain the flagship IP.

Bandai generally does good work with IP - since buying Sunrise in 1994 they've kept the Gundam franchise churning along nicely.
Their recently launched Star Wars kits are also amazing.

I can't see Bandai buying out GW though - little appeal in their home market. Be nice if a potential GW buyer sub-contracts the kits out to Tamiya or Bandai though

As long as they don't ruin the story more than GW do, and they don't replace Space Marines armours and gothic design with miniature gundams, I'm fine.

I love the gothic and baroque aesthetic of the IP. Its what makes 40k visually distinctive, at least to me.
Getting rid of it would be a bad thing.

From 6th to 7th, they nerfed the serpent and everything else got a buff. Every jetbike can now take a scatterlaser. Wraithknights are gargantuan, so they are basically immortal and ignore every speciL rule ever.

 Grumblewartz wrote:
A lot of 40k hipsters are going on and on about how the game is dying, blah blah blah. It is like anything else these days, if it is big, successful, and popular, it isn't cool - so it must fail. They spew their hate every chance they get, which has driven down activity in the forums - at least, from anecdotal experience. 40k is by no means dying, but it is a niche market and like any other niche market, it will fluctuate in popularity in areas. Some areas that were hubs become ghost towns, while new ones emerge elsewhere. A lot of long-time players like myself are used to playing it for a few years, then switching to another game for a little while. Such fluctuations are represented in the local gaming scene as well.

The decline of local clubs is also, it seems, partially driven by the economy in general. 40k, board games, etc. are not an incredibly safe investment. Even now when nerd is cooler than ever, it isn't easy to turn a major profit. So, with the economic down turn, many stores are shifting their focus, using their space in order to diversify their product, leaving less room for tables that don't generate that much money (most people buy product online because it is cheaper).

We're not talking about a recent trend, we're talking about an 11 year consistent decline in revenue and large numbers of clubs withering and dying in a time when the economy is ostensibly growing, not shrinking...

Anyways, there are a number of very positive trends that suggest that 40k is trending upwards again. I think one of the biggest is that there are more channels on Youtube than ever, which show many different styles of play.

There's more Youtube channels & videos on everything than there were before...that's just the platform being more widely adopted and mature...it doesn't say anything about the hobby. I can find more stuff about Battefleet Gothic today on Youtube than I could in 2008 when it was still actually...in production, but that doesn't mean BFG is doing well.

Martel732 wrote:
From 6th to 7th, they nerfed the serpent and everything else got a buff.

The sad thing is, even with the nerfs the WS is probably still the best transport in the game.

So in summary from what I've read:

"defenders" are sick and tired of the rose tinted goggles and constantly hearing the other side spout that the game is terrible.
"anti-GW" are sick of GW's business practices (aren't we all), and a not balanced rule set.

It doesn't help that the WM/H crowd loves to say their game is cheaper, when it costs the same price, if not more for less models (however, you need less to play a game of WM/H) which just riles up the "defenders" and reaffirms the "anti-GW's" biases (I suppose thats the best word)

BOTH sides get inflammatory, but BOTH sides have points (and seemingly ignore the others points)

I've noticed that the game is far from dying as, recently as I mentioned before, GW is making moves in the right direction: actual FAQs (however wimpy, progress is progress), bringing back specialist games, making recent codexies around the game general "power level", the incredibly well priced Calth box set. If they stick to these trends, then the game will probably get better. Yes, the game will still be expensive, but no more then other hobbies if you go a month-by-month basis. In most hobbies, it seems that a high entry cost, and then 40-70 a month there after is a standard amount, and fits well for MTG, video gaming, and other miniature hobbies.

In reguards to the game being broken: I hate to quote BoLS, but "it's not broke untill you break it" yes, there are stupid units and rules, but no, they don't ruin the game IF you don't play in a setting where you typically pay for entry, and then rewards happen because you want to win. In more casual games with friends or just people in your local group, you can make new scenarios, play non-balanced point costs, and other parts of the game that are typically ignored when you play competitively. Though tournaments are how some people enjoy the game, so it must be considered none the less, but I don't think it should be the focus.

How are ANY complain threads even remotely useful? complaining about GW is just a circle jerk on "how bad it is, I mean, it's irredeemable". complaining about complainers is basically just venting and has no real purpose.

TL;DR: Both sides whining have points, but are all dumb anywho

 Brennonjw wrote:
I've noticed that the game is far from dying as, recently as I mentioned before, GW is making moves in the right direction: actual FAQs (however wimpy, progress is progress),

Wait, what?

By what possible measure is releasing no faqs a good thing?

 vipoid wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I've noticed that the game is far from dying as, recently as I mentioned before, GW is making moves in the right direction: actual FAQs (however wimpy, progress is progress),

Wait, what?

By what possible measure is releasing no faqs a good thing?

They did quite recently, actually. They suck though, and they didn't update the dates, so you wouldn't really know.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I've noticed that the game is far from dying as, recently as I mentioned before, GW is making moves in the right direction: actual FAQs (however wimpy, progress is progress),

Wait, what?

By what possible measure is releasing no faqs a good thing?

They did quite recently, actually. They suck though, and they didn't update the dates, so you wouldn't really know.

I literally just looked on their site and all the FAQs are for Jan 2015 at the latest.

Maybe they'll destroy it all ala fantasy

 vipoid wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I've noticed that the game is far from dying as, recently as I mentioned before, GW is making moves in the right direction: actual FAQs (however wimpy, progress is progress),

Wait, what?

By what possible measure is releasing no faqs a good thing?

Nah, they put out some this month, though it was pretty half-assed, they at least resolved the Dark angels ravenwing issue. even though it was pretty lazy, it's baby steps in the right direction.

Another thing I forgot to mention was that their youtube channel focusing on the painting is another good thing. raise interest of new players, and encouraging them to paint with easy painting tips...... although the comments are turned off, looking at this site and others, I completely understand.

 vipoid wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I've noticed that the game is far from dying as, recently as I mentioned before, GW is making moves in the right direction: actual FAQs (however wimpy, progress is progress),

Wait, what?

By what possible measure is releasing no faqs a good thing?

They did quite recently, actually. They suck though, and they didn't update the dates, so you wouldn't really know.

I literally just looked on their site and all the FAQs are for Jan 2015 at the latest.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/673580.page

New FAQs are here. Seems they still aren't on the site then.


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 Brennonjw wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
I've noticed that the game is far from dying as, recently as I mentioned before, GW is making moves in the right direction: actual FAQs (however wimpy, progress is progress),

Wait, what?

By what possible measure is releasing no faqs a good thing?

Nah, they put out some this month, though it was pretty half-assed, they at least resolved the Dark angels ravenwing issue. even though it was pretty lazy, it's baby steps in the right direction.

Another thing I forgot to mention was that their youtube channel focusing on the painting is another good thing. raise interest of new players, and encouraging them to paint with easy painting tips...... although the comments are turned off, looking at this site and others, I completely understand.

Those tutorials are pretty good, I will give them that.
Now all they have to do is balance the game, put some actual effort into the rules, bring back WHFB, and design vehicles so they aren't inferior to MC most of the time.
I suggest a saving throw determined by the vehicle's facing and what type of vehicle it is, that can only be ignored if the weapon is capable of penetration.

Did they even update anything?

it looks like they left the faqs the same and just changed the dates.