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the_scotsman wrote:
God I hope some little newbies try to actually play these against each other.

"Okay, I'm bs7 and I get to reroll to hit against you."

"My overlord gets to look out sir. I made all of them! Now my unit is back."

"This game is stupid. Let's play something else."

You think that is stupid? You should play Powder Monkey.

 BrookM wrote:
Look, this thread is not the place to boast about not paying for rules and whatnot.

Correct. In fact, Dakka Dakka at large is not the place to advocate illegal activities. Doing so will earn warning/suspensions! Thanks!

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Bi'ios wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Anyone who is paying for actual codex's these days is making choice to burn money considering that you can get them for free online with about 5 minutes of googling and downloading.

Some people have better morals than that. Have fun stealing other peoples hard work

BrookM wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Anyone who is paying for actual codex's these days is making choice to burn money considering that you can get them for free online with about 5 minutes of googling and downloading.

Wahey, a scumbag!

So buying two $50 dollar codexes to run an army is a sane alternative now? (yes I know they have the deal of $66 both right now but I doubt that'll last) Not even Battlefront with their 200+ gloss paged hardbacks charge that much, and they have dramatically more content. Grey Wolf alone has essentially 3 different nations and probably 30+ unique lists in it, all for $30 USA.

What other game do you know of where in order to run your army legally (if we're talking a combined cult/skitarii force) you need to spend almost TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS US in rulebooks alone (both codex and the main rules)? I can't even imagine how much the rules must be for poor Australians.

I don't blame anyone for downloading the codexes offline. The prices for the codex are insane. I'm glad they're doing deals on the models now but they need to drop the insane price on the books too if they want to make real progress. The bundle for the admech books is a step in the right direction but honestly those codex should be $30 AT MOST.

Uhm, the Skitarii Codex and Cult Mechanicum Codex are $33 each, not $50. That's not a special price for the bundle, it's the regular price.

Really? I could've sworn that they were $50 a piece when they came out.

Nope. They're cheaper because they have fewer pages.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
"It's cray cray that Skitarii don't have an HQ."


<time passes>


"It's cray cray that Skitarii can have an HQ."

Except, you know, how they still don't have one. It doesn't count until you can take it for CAD and Ally Detachments.

I still can't fathom why GW wouldn't just explicitly permit both books to function as a single unified list; nobody is fooled, we all know they split them because they're greedy risk-averse buggers, and they don't listen to, care about, or respond to what customers have to say anyway so it's not as if they need plausible deniability on that fact.

Struggling to get back on-topic...

What are people looking forward to most about this? Personally I have been contemplating starting Ad Mech ever since they were released, and so will definitely pick up at least a box of the Ad Mech. I already have some counts-as Kataphron Destroyers from the Ramshackle kickstarter, so a box of this plus the rules will probably get me buying the Cult Mechanicus codex soon as well. No rush, though. I don't have regular local 40K gaming buddies any more.

What's more exciting to me is picking up the Lizardman box to play Dragon Rampant with. I already have a few skinks from eBay (scouts). I think this box should be a cheap way to make something close to a full DR army, with an Elite Cavalry (Carnosaur), 6 Heavy Cavalry (Knights), and 12 Heavy Foot (Warriors). I can add some dragons or other reptilian stuff from Bones to be warbeasts. The last couple of Knights can be modelled as heroes / magicians and fielded as Reduced Model Units. I may well grab the undead box as well, and use it similarly.

For me it's the massive discount on the Skitarii boxed set, €47 off! Mind, I only play 30K these days, but I'm sure I can find a use for both the Skitarii and Onager somehow.

These box sets will be HUGE sellers for GW. They're at the right price point, they have a good mix of units and they have a huge discount. This will be the first thing people recommend when newbies ask them "what should I buy", and on top of that, they're comfortably within impulse purchase range for existing players, like this thread shows. I really hope they'll keep adding armies.

 godardc wrote:
Yeah, I'm afraid you're right...
And even if rifle man dred could be awesome, do you really want to pay that terminator captain ? Is it worth it ?
Suddenly, the formation seems meh^^

I am willing to bet that the formation does not specify that you need a Terminator Captain(the Skitarii one doesn't give any limitations on how to equip the units, just that you must field them).

Yeah, Skitarii for me as well. As I have a Knight, it's basically a few boxes away from getting a War Convo at a very nice discount.

I went to a recruitment open night at a GW store, and at the end I asked if they had any of the new Skitarii painted up in the cabinets. (by this point people were just chatting about the hobby). I hadn't visited a GW store in over a year nor have I seen the Skitarii in person. And the guy tried to flog me a box.

I've been seduced by the Skitarii box. 100% impulse buy, especially after discount.

 BrookM wrote:
For me it's the massive discount on the Skitarii boxed set, €47 off! Mind, I only play 30K these days, but I'm sure I can find a use for both the Skitarii and Onager somehow.

Imperial Militia!

The Tyranid bundle has exactly the 3 warriors I need to match the last of my Shrike wings, last 10 Gargoyles to fill a brood up to 30, and another pair of Brainleech Devourera for my other Tyrants/Flyrants, and a body for a Tyrant conversion I'm considering. Almost seems like a must-buy.

Plus the Lizardmen bundle just rocks for RPG stuff and such. Don't really care about starting Fantasy/AoS at th moment. Very tempted to grab it too...

I wonder if these sets are to encourage new players, Lower the entry cost OR milk those already invested in the game of extra money to show an upswing in the next financial report

 zedmeister wrote:
I've been seduced by the Skitarii box. 100% impulse buy, especially after discount.

 BrookM wrote:
For me it's the massive discount on the Skitarii boxed set, €47 off! Mind, I only play 30K these days, but I'm sure I can find a use for both the Skitarii and Onager somehow.

Imperial Militia!

Ha, hell no! I play Solar Auxilia already, no way am I also going to play that horde army!

 Wulfmar wrote:
I wonder if these sets are to encourage new players, Lower the entry cost OR milk those already invested in the game of extra money to show an upswing in the next financial report

All of the above.

I agree these sets are pretty sweet, if I didn't pick up the Thunderbeast host I would have definitely grabbed this one. This would have been smarter to put out before Xmas. But maybe they wanted to clean stock a bit before releasing.

Seen the new Tau formation rules. Seems useless. Can't complain though with all the stuff we got recently.

 Gamgee wrote:
Seen the new Tau formation rules. Seems useless. Can't complain though with all the stuff we got recently.

These formations aren't meant to be "omgwin" for veteran players. They're meant to be things to let players start out.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Seen the new Tau formation rules. Seems useless. Can't complain though with all the stuff we got recently.

These formations aren't meant to be "omgwin" for veteran players. They're meant to be things to let players start out.

They appear to be that and something halfway useful for veteran players. I know I want my Venerable Dreadnought to hang out with a Captain and some Tacticals that can shoot twice.

 BrookM wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I've been seduced by the Skitarii box. 100% impulse buy, especially after discount.

 BrookM wrote:
For me it's the massive discount on the Skitarii boxed set, €47 off! Mind, I only play 30K these days, but I'm sure I can find a use for both the Skitarii and Onager somehow.

Imperial Militia!

Ha, hell no! I play Solar Auxilia already, no way am I also going to play that horde army!

Cyber Augmetics + Survivors of the Dark Age provenances, enjoy your modestly-sized(by Heresy human standards ) 3+/6++ save-Grenadier army.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
I wonder if these sets are to encourage new players, Lower the entry cost OR milk those already invested in the game of extra money to show an upswing in the next financial report

All of the above.

Haven't played in around a decade so basically a newbie here. These definitely pulled me in from looking at 40k again to buying 40k again. For the price through one of the online dealers I immediately bought a Tau set and I'm really tempted to buy a second......and maybe two of the Skitarii boxes as well. Gonna wait till I get the first box painted up before I go crazy though. Just hope these will be around for a few weeks at least.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
I've been seduced by the Skitarii box. 100% impulse buy, especially after discount.

 BrookM wrote:
For me it's the massive discount on the Skitarii boxed set, €47 off! Mind, I only play 30K these days, but I'm sure I can find a use for both the Skitarii and Onager somehow.

Imperial Militia!

Ha, hell no! I play Solar Auxilia already, no way am I also going to play that horde army!

Cyber Augmetics + Survivors of the Dark Age provenances, enjoy your modestly-sized(by Heresy human standards ) 3+/6++ save-Grenadier army.

I may use the Skitarii as a Tech-Thrall Covenant, that just leaves me with a use for the Onager.

I don't really know the Ad Mech stuff too well -- will I find uses for multiple tech-priests if I buy more than 1 set? Maybe to make him a Datasmith and find some counts-as Kastelans somewhere?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Well I ordered 2 lizardmen ones and 2 chaos warrior ones for my Kings of War projects I'm working on. I love that I can get a new Carnosaur for 25% off and get a regiment of saurus warriors and coldone cav for free. And the Chaos ones are nice even if part of the value is the sorcerer but I'll probably sell one of those off. The rest of the kit is perfect.

Could you please tell us more about it? Two factions, one project?

 BrookM wrote:

I may use the Skitarii as a Tech-Thrall Covenant, that just leaves me with a use for the Onager.

Ordo Reductor Artillery "Tank"? Seems they'd be pretty suitable and you've got a ton of weapon options to try

Do this new Sets include only formations or full dataslates with profiles. options and unit rules on full sites?

RazorEdge wrote:
Do this new Sets include only formations or full dataslates with profiles and options and unit rules?

It appears that there are only formations, not rules for the units. The formation is on a sheet with the rules in multiple languages. They could not do that with all of the rules.

 zedmeister wrote:

 BrookM wrote:

I may use the Skitarii as a Tech-Thrall Covenant, that just leaves me with a use for the Onager.

Ordo Reductor Artillery "Tank"? Seems they'd be pretty suitable and you've got a ton of weapon options to try

Not a bad idea, certainly beats just grabbing a Basilisk or Whirlwind from the store.