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 VeteranNoob wrote:
IMHO the usual leak-image quality problem. The actual WD or website images hopefully look much better, but this happens, like, every release these days. THIS one especially is a shame because it's so exciting the Wulfen are coming back and it's a bit of disservice to lead with blurry images (but that's just the way it goes).

Or...they could indeed actually suck or be too campy, and that would be most unfortunate. I'm sure these models will at the very least offer some inspiration for killer conversions. You could make a diorama of a hair metal band out of these at the very least

The image quality isn't responsible for the terrible pose on the Wulfen champion

I had such high hopes for these, the regular troops wouldnt be so bad with a more grittier paint job but the guy at the back unless he's poseable i see a lot of proxys being made

I just decided to do a SW army not too long ago, and I don't care if I am going against common opinion here, but these look awesome to me.

Wolf at me bro.

JuniorRS13 wrote:
I just decided to do a SW army not too long ago, and I don't care if I am going against common opinion here, but these look awesome to me.

Wolf at me bro.

Yeah I'm digging these too. Change the heads though for sure!

Couldn't put my finger on it but a friend reminded me that the picture looks like they're doing a musical. With the guy in front going full Hamlet to boot.

Oh my god, please tell me they have tails.

the guy at the back looks like hes starting the routine from flashdance its probably one of these £20 monopose packs

Well the whole schtik of the returned 13th company wolfen seens to be that they do almost look like chaos worshipers, using armour and trophies scavenged from fallen traitor marines

so I think the look is probably good for what they're meant to be (although the 'power armour shorts' isn't a great look)

the question is, if the 13th returns, is this the first 40k EndTimes book?

 kodos wrote:
the question is, if the 13th returns, is this the first 40k EndTimes book?

As in everything gets wiped out like Fantasy? No.

As in the story is moving? Kauyon was probably first (Chapter Master Shrike), but 40K is on the move.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
but is there anything salvageable out of a constant desire to downgrade something, unless of course you agree with such low?
I prefer to reserve final judgment when clearer leaks pop up later next week ...

Personally I prefer to wait until;
a) I see the actual sprues
b) I then see the how the models look when built by a decent hobbyist in place of GW's builder monkeys "let's make these as stupid looking as possible!" poses.
c) I then see how properly built versions look with a suitable paint scheme instead of GW's clowntastic "paint factory explosion!" cartoon schemes.

But that's just me. I get however that it's apparently proper to drink the Kool-Aid and declare every release to be "lolz! Worst Evah!GWsux!lolzlolz!"

Drink the Kool-Aid? lulz, cute.

I prefer to wait until I have seen enough to make a reasonable judgement. In this case, the 1 picture we have is enough for me to be 90% confident that I do not like these models.

Like, really, I understand some people like to wait until they've seen a model painted by a Golden Demon winning artist before passing judgement and that's fine, but can you also understand that some of us ARE already picturing what those models would look like painted by ourselves?

I've seen enough little man dollies over the past 20-something years to judge the model under the paint with reasonable confidence. I could be wrong, but past experience shows me if I don't like a model at this stage I'm not going to start liking it at later stages, at best I'll come to accept it if the rules are so awesome that I want the functionality in my army even if I don't like the models.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well the whole schtik of the returned 13th company wolfen seens to be that they do almost look like chaos worshipers, using armour and trophies scavenged from fallen traitor marines

so I think the look is probably good for what they're meant to be (although the 'power armour shorts' isn't a great look)

But they don't look like that. It don't seem like their armour is made up of cobbled together pieces of different marks. Which together with a darker pre-heresy grey would have looked a lot better.

Sadly, they won't look any better when we get more pictures. We'll just get so see their awfulness in sharper quality and in better higher definition.
If anything, seeing better pictures and pics of component might actually make them seem worse; like when we got to see the unnatural mono-poses of the latest AoS dwarfs in all it's "glory".

 Zywus wrote:
If anything, seeing better pictures and pics of component might actually make them seem worse; like when we got to see the unnatural mono-poses of the latest AoS dwarfs in all it's "glory".

I'm slightly hopeful that maybe the arms aren't monopose on these models like they were on the stunties. The Dwarfs (like Savage Orcs) tend to need to be monopose because the muscles in the arms need to line up with the muscles on the torso (even though the muscle sculpting on the Dwarfs looks terrible ). If these models have armoured torsos rather than muscled torsos the arms might be multipose rather than monopose. But we'll see. Even if they are I don't think it's going to make me love them.

 Zywus wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well the whole schtik of the returned 13th company wolfen seens to be that they do almost look like chaos worshipers, using armour and trophies scavenged from fallen traitor marines

so I think the look is probably good for what they're meant to be (although the 'power armour shorts' isn't a great look)

But they don't look like that. It don't seem like their armour is made up of cobbled together pieces of different marks. Which together with a darker pre-heresy grey would have looked a lot better.

This was my thought. Looks less like cobbled pieces of CSM/SM armor than they are somewhat known for.

 Fayric wrote:
GW deliberatley do a crap job att their models so pepole wont be discouraged when their own models look flat.

No they don't. They, like every company who wants to sell something, put (what they believe to be) their best foot forward when showing off new product.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
GW deliberatley do a crap job att their models so pepole wont be discouraged when their own models look flat.

No they don't. They, like every company who wants to sell something, put (what they believe to be) their best foot forward when showing off new product.

This. As I said earlier - first impressions count a lot. It's not like GW don't know how to do a decent first impression... look at the current Nagash...that was jaw dropping when it leaked. People didn't criticise it as roundly as people are criticising these.

Note, I do NOT want the Wulfen to fall flat - I loved the whole concept for them with Eye of Terror...but they've moved completely away from it. They seem to think that geneseed flaws result in LOL WOLF FEET. No. I liked the hulking, brutal degenerate appearance of the original Wulfen. I loved the fact they looked bestial with just enough to show that they weren't. They could have been a bit bigger or bulkier...but they certainly didn't need to literally become wolves.

Imagine they did this for Raven Guard...and gave us BIRD MEN. People would flip. The description from the HH books and background describes Corax's failed experiments as being grotesque and inhuman, with just enough to indicate their true nature...but BIRD MEN with bird feet and BIRD faces would look like they escaped a Saturday morning cartoon in the 90s.

And that's just what my problem with these Wulfen are. They look like they escaped a Saturday morning cartoon in the 90s. They have none of the grim and none of the dark that is 40k.

It's bad enough with the trend for the names... who can forget Wolf Wolfborn, of the Space Wolves, riding a giant wolf, with wolf claws and a wolf tooth wolf necklace, accompanied by wolves. Wolf wolf. Wolf wolf wolf. Wolf. WOLF.

I don't know who had the bright idea to go with silly thematic names in GW...but I pray they stop, soon.

TLDR - Wulfen look like 90s cartoon characters, not grimdark inhuman abominations that they are described as and indicated to be.

Space Wolves have always had the best models. No earthly idea why they thought the junk in the OP is improvement.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Note, I do NOT want the Wulfen to fall flat - I loved the whole concept for them with Eye of Terror...but they've moved completely away from it. They seem to think that geneseed flaws result in LOL WOLF FEET. No. I liked the hulking, brutal degenerate appearance of the original Wulfen. I loved the fact they looked bestial with just enough to show that they weren't. They could have been a bit bigger or bulkier...but they certainly didn't need to literally become wolves.

Imagine they did this for Raven Guard...and gave us BIRD MEN. People would flip. The description from the HH books and background describes Corax's failed experiments as being grotesque and inhuman, with just enough to indicate their true nature...but BIRD MEN with bird feet and BIRD faces would look like they escaped a Saturday morning cartoon in the 90s.

Not to be rude, but remember that since the introduction of the Wulfen in the Eye of Terror campaign we got the "Prospero Burns" line of "There are no wolves on Fenris"; which has been expanded/elaborated upon to indicate that the creatures we see as wolves are fully succumbed Wulfen/failed Aspirants.

I haven't really kept up with the Horus Heresy(I find the novels to be really boring/dry at times and I just can't be excited for something where I 'know' the final outcome), but wasn't the whole "Raptors" thing shut down fairly fast after the mutations first appeared?
Assuming these are meant to be specifically the Lost 13th Company(they probably are but just bear with me a bit here), they have been heavily exposed to the Eye of Terror and were known to have a large number of Wulfen even before their disappearance. Something the Eye of Terror fluff made a point of elaborating upon was that the Guardsmen and even an Inquisitor who encountered the Wulfen? They thought they were dealing with Chaos forces because of the mutations they observed the Wulfen possessing.

If anything, I kind of felt that the Wulfen models were a bit too plain after reading the fluff again. They were described as having "matted pelts" and sharpened talons, stalking their prey like beasts.

There still is a little hope for the models as it looks like we have actually only seen two of the possible poses with wargear options for the wolfen box which probably contains 10 models. The center guy is probably a unique model. That means the possibility of more armored legs, possible different torsos, maybe less bare arms. The current sw box has lots of options maybe this one will too.

However having said all that im sure the price point will probably be embarrassing.

Looks like GW bought some old thundercats models. And stuck some new dwarf heads on them. Whats with all the red hair
lately.

I am pretty sure they will be super expensive but if they weren't, just imagine how much fun it would be to cut and customize them according to individual preferences.

Sad Panda wrote:

 kodos wrote:
the question is, if the 13th returns, is this the first 40k EndTimes book?

As in everything gets wiped out like Fantasy? No.

As in the story is moving? Kauyon was probably first (Chapter Master Shrike), but 40K is on the move.

Yep, in that case I'm off to 30K permanently I think, no desire to see what the present crop of studio fluff writers cack out. 10,000 years of history that's barely explored yet some folk still seem to anticipate the idea of the same people who came up with Bloody-Blood-Blood Angels, Murderfang, Logan Claus, the End Times/scrapping Fantasy, and Yge of Sygmyr: Ryndom Vowyl Replycement Wyrs moving the timeline forward into what is supposed to be the end of humanity.

 Kanluwen wrote:

I haven't really kept up with the Horus Heresy(I find the novels to be really boring/dry at times and I just can't be excited for something where I 'know' the final outcome), but wasn't the whole "Raptors" thing shut down fairly fast after the mutations first appeared?
Assuming these are meant to be specifically the Lost 13th Company(they probably are but just bear with me a bit here), they have been heavily exposed to the Eye of Terror and were known to have a large number of Wulfen even before their disappearance. Something the Eye of Terror fluff made a point of elaborating upon was that the Guardsmen and even an Inquisitor who encountered the Wulfen? They thought they were dealing with Chaos forces because of the mutations they observed the Wulfen possessing.

If anything, I kind of felt that the Wulfen models were a bit too plain after reading the fluff again. They were described as having "matted pelts" and sharpened talons, stalking their prey like beasts.

You are correct on the Horus Heresy, but sadly, that's why I think these models are so bad. I feel like GW picked the most bizarre place on the whole spectrum of Wulfen to recreate in plastic form.

You should have SW who are only temporarily succumbing (so normal SW with bestial, enraged expressions). You should have marines who are starting to succumb (so, basically, the old metal Wulfen--marines who are still able to wear their armor and use their weapons and wargear), and you may have marines who have more or less completely succumbed to the curse (so, fundamentally Fenrisian Wolves). The guys who are so bestial and animalistic that they can't wear helmets or leg armor (or any power armor, it seems) should be relatively uncommon, I would think. How are they operating machinery? How are they fighting against opponents with ships, armor, and ranged weapons?

Then, worse than that, WAAAY worse than that, is the loss of subtlety and mystery. The Curse of the Wulfen is supposed to be these hushed secret that is unknown across much of the galaxy--and yet you have huge mutants that are clearly Space Wolves. Kind of hard to plausibly deny them, now. If the wulfen were more human, then it is possible to pull down your helmets and conceal your nature. If they are fundamentally wolves, then they can be claimed to be Fenrisian Wolves. But when you have immense, dog-legged werewolves, there's not much you can do but wait for the Inquisition.

It just takes a creepy, dark, twisted part of the background and turns it into a Saturday morning cartoon (much like Space Wolves riding Thunderwolves*). I loved Saturday morning cartoons. I liked Battle-cat. But it wasn't the 'grim darkness' of 40k.


*And, given the strong hints in the novels that "Fenrisian Wolves" are actually victims of the Curse of the Wulfen, what sort of douchebags are the Space Wolves that they take their poor, cursed brothers and ride them (or make them pull your sled).

Da Butcha wrote:

*And, given the strong hints in the novels that "Fenrisian Wolves" are actually victims of the Curse of the Wulfen, what sort of douchebags are the Space Wolves that they take their poor, cursed brothers and ride them (or make them pull your sled).

How about killing them and wearing the pelts.

@Yodhrin: remember though, as much derision as Murderfang deserves, the kit does make an awesome Bjorn, and the axe and shield Dread looks pretty badass...
two out of three isn't bad on that kit...
new plastic Bjorn is an improvement on my old metal Bjorn, though they are both great minis...

cheers
jah

The "wolfman" thing is inherently appealing, but I'm not sure it works that well for 40K. I'd be way more interested in proper werewolves... look like regular (if slightly bestial) Space Wolves most of the time, go all Fenrisian when they get a bit closer to the enemy. Just think, GW, you could sell twice as many minis for each unit! And from a player's perspective -- you get a melee unit that is actually useful because till it gets close to the enemy, it is in human form and can shoot stuff en route.

I'm mystified how better pictures would make these look better. Sure you get a better view of the paint-job and get to see more details but that won't change the proportions and poses which are — to put it mildly — not that inspiring. :/

If the rules are good, third party manufactures will have a field day.

 loki old fart wrote:
Looks like GW bought some old thundercats models. And stuck some new dwarf heads on them. Whats with all the red hair
lately.

thunder, Thunder, Thunder! Thunderwolfs!!... HO!!!

 jah-joshua wrote:
@Yodhrin: remember though, as much derision as Murderfang deserves, the kit does make an awesome Bjorn, and the axe and shield Dread looks pretty badass...
two out of three isn't bad on that kit...
new plastic Bjorn is an improvement on my old metal Bjorn, though they are both great minis...

cheers
jah

The kit isn't the issue, the issue is the fluff. The actual composition of the Logan Claus model, for example, isn't that bad, the problem is that the concept even occurred to anybody, and that when it did they weren't immediately laughed out of the room and told to sober up. The problem is that the guys who gave us Murderfang succumbing to his Murderlust and committing murder with his Murderclaws on the planet Omnicide as an idea, regardless of what that model ended up looking like, are now going to be responsible for writing down the "future" of 40K, which really wasn't supposed to exist in the first place but be a prophesied mythical apocalypse that hangs over the "present day" setting of 40K like the sword of Damocles to provide a general sense of impending doom.

Even if I liked the basic idea of advancing the timeline, which I do not, I would never trust this current bunch to handle writing something that grand without descending into unintentional self-parody.