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Well....they are the company that made AVP...

It you start like that...perhaps:
they think that as long as they release it at least 1 month before Gamezone Heroquest 25 it's still enought to get the market
or
they made a partnership want to release it as a package with Gamezone's Heroquest 25


Meanwhile somebody is "Adapting Space Crusade(rs) into 40k"
http://forum.prodosgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4945

As Prodos doesn't offer anything, here is a board you can print (on 2x2 A3 format pages) to use your miniatures

and the mission mini map

If you have MB Space Crusade, just consider that
- 5 minis & 10 hit points have to be splitted between the crusader/space marines players
- only one mini by player may get more than 1 hit point
- 1 mini can still have a Sgt weapon or an heavy weapon
(for example if you have one crusader/space marines player, his Sgt will have 6HP and the other 1 only like basic SC, if there are 2, P1 can have a 3 HP Sgt + 2 Marines, P2 can have a 4 HP "corporal" + 1 Marine)
- after wiping a room from aliens, the 1st player who pass 1 turn gets an equipment card by spending an action opening the box but pick-up one extra event card that will apply on him/her only!

If you want some background to give to your wargaming session using SC, just go to Prodos forum.
I try to build something like the "power armor bikini" version of John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V_dFw4mxeI
with some bit of Hellraiser youtu.be/AmWuwqR5qjA?t=111 and Mutant Chronicles www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE-CQ_N_wE8 explaining the origin of Mabs

Kriegspiel as this is becoming a thread more about your hobby than news about "Space Crusade" It might be better if you started a thread in dakka discussions or misc sci fi games.

Indeed.

I kinda think that fan-fiction attempting to justify in-universe why cyber-soldiers run around in bikinis and leg armor is better suited for a thread here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/9.page

Or alongside pictures of your models in a project log here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/56.page

 JoeRugby wrote:
Kriegspiel as this is becoming a thread more about your hobby than news about "Space Crusade" It might be better if you started a thread in dakka discussions or misc sci fi games.

Well actually since I am nearly the only one posting something about SC on Prodos own forum, since 4th July, you won't get explanation about SC except what I post...
I'm wondering if it could be some kind of marketing strategy: leaving the fanboys giving their own speculation about the production, seeing what is the most approved or shared rumors then building the production so that it reflects exactly the market expectation...
Anyway, I cleaned my precedent post since Prodos forum is most suitable.
This remember me how "Dark Age" rules & universe was built in 2002 out of Gerald Brom's painting sometimes made more than 10 years before..
Usually you decide universe/rule core then you make concept art then miniature + final illustration then you extend universe & rules...
Here just as with dark age, heroes final look is defined but neither universe nor rule core exists.
Same for "Malefic Time: Plenilunio" RPG & "MT: Apocalypse" novel released in 2015, recycling several Royo's painting from 1998 artbook Malefic to build an universe from.

My theory is if:
- enought mini are bought (what is needed to finance AvP backers LOL)
- people play with them using existing or home made rules and build some background
then final game will release
if not, Prodos will just focus on AvP & Warzone (and may just link the SC to Warzone in a kind of Blood Beret remake)

 Kriegspiel wrote:
I'm wondering if it could be some kind of marketing strategy

Most of Archon's resources shifted to finish and complete LOAD manufacturing so they can ship it before or by when it was promised. Since the main SC game box are supposed to be UniCast and those resources are tied up, they have to delay SC main box.

Hmmm burn the loyal few who believed them after the AvP debacle and pre-ordered from them direct

or trash their 'other' KS presence,

not ideal either way

The news on the AVP thread is also pretty eye opening. They've apparently been shipping AVP pledges two years late to the incorrect continents as well as addressed to internet handles and kickstarter usernames instead of backer's actual names and then washing their hands of it (similar to how they did when their pledge manager "glitched" and kept reopening closed pledges over and over and over). Whatever they're concentrating on it apparently isn't AVP.

There was some news in The Warzone thread but this hasn't been updated in a while, any news?

I simply use MB/GW Space Crusade board dice mission & rules with
- Crusaders instead of Blood Angels
- Maras instead Chaos Space Marine
- Mabs intead of Necron/Androïd
fr a sexy/girly ambiance, I changed the BA equipment & orders card + few event cards by these (*)




and it was GREAT!
When fighting Genestealer the Crusaders I had the feeling of watching the "Dirty Pair" at the ending of "Project Eden" when they fight the aliens with their "bikini combat suit"

So just forget to think or dream of Prodos Space Crusade as a game.
Just consider them as a miniature range to play a sexy version of GW games and play NOW.

So does anybody volunteer to create a "CODEX CRUSADER"?



(*) Note that I don't own the picture copyright
Most of them are screenshots of 2nd Life from
https://www.flickr.com/photos/42265689@N03/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126523350@N05/
So print them for your personal use only.

Prodoss should hire you as their pr person. They need one.

Could be a good option for great unclean one. Even more: I believe Nurle took the Eldar godess of fertility as hostage, this can be a nice avatar. The rest is crap

So it's been a year now, did the game ever come out?

Looking at the store page, you can order some individual models, but the game itself is listed as "Preorder - shipping after June July 2016"

Guess that's what happens when you get a combination of community backlash and Prodos' own tendency not to deliver.

 Brother SRM wrote:
"Preorder - shipping AFTER June July 2016"

Well they ain't lyin.

I wonder if anyone actually did pre-order the game just to spite "SJW"'s like some claimed to do earlier in the thread.

Talk about cutting of your nose to spite your wallet face.

 rayphoton wrote:
Prodoss should hire you as their pr person. They need one.

I know....
https://www.facebook.com/prodosgamesltd/photos/a.298543823643613.1073741828.223527654478564/546215752209751/?type=3&theater

 Brother SRM wrote:
Prodos' own tendency not to deliver.

Well I did 2 orders of miniatures last year and both came within a week.
S to play SC just order 2nd hand MB version
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2053587.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmb+space+crusade.TRS0&_nkw=mb+space+crusade&_sacat=0
If full box is out of price ($100 to $200), a bx without mini (because owner recycled them for W40K) is quite affordable ($40-$60)
using Star Wars Miniature maps is also pleasant.
Prodos Crusaders may also be nice Assault on Empire Stormtroopers & Doom Marines.
I'm only disappointed never to see the full version of Prodoss city board that was quite cool
http://prodosgames.com/sites/prodosgames.com/files/files/WORK%20IN%20PROGRESS%201.jpg

 Kriegspiel wrote:

 rayphoton wrote:
Prodoss should hire you as their pr person. They need one.

I know....
https://www.facebook.com/prodosgamesltd/photos/a.298543823643613.1073741828.223527654478564/546215752209751/?type=3&theater

Hope that wasn't the same guy who "wrote" the LOAD rulebook before CMON took notice...!

And based on their previous rulesets, you might as well stick to your original Space Crusade rules. : https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/195547/load-league-ancient-defenders/forums/63

ced1106 wrote:

Hope that wasn't the same guy who "wrote" the LOAD rulebook before CMON took notice...!

Do you think also "LOAD is a shallow, untested and unimaginative dice chucker" ?
Well according to the francophone hobby & wargaming magazine "Ravage", LOAD rules are fantasy adapted rules of Pirate MOBA "Rum & Bones"
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/168788/rum-bones and so as good as it (both have more than 7/10 rating on BGG)
Actually I'm always doubful about "professional" article writers since they have (natural) tendencies to:
- note a better way the game they had received a free copy (and sometimes uncomplete) before release date
- flame down good games they just have the opportunity to see being played during a convention and had to buy at full price
I prefer comment of people who had to wait (long) and buy (expensive), they are more trustful to tell you if a game is worthwhile.

What I hope is Prodoss will either use easy rules (like MB/GW Space Crusade or old Blood Beret boardgame) or good & fast pace tactical (Space Hulk) or simulation (Legions of Steel) instead of doing awful useless complexity like Heroquest 25th with its awful move rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv_du1PGvtQ&index=5&list=PLts83Ocgb9CuVAtsrrggE7iHB2w_f1lOA
that just look to be a way to prove the judge that they don't just copy the old one by adding useless stuff that beginner will not use and therefore play with old rules.

 Kriegspiel wrote:

ced1106 wrote:

Hope that wasn't the same guy who "wrote" the LOAD rulebook before CMON took notice...!

Do you think also "LOAD is a shallow, untested and unimaginative dice chucker" ?
Well according to the francophone hobby & wargaming magazine "Ravage", LOAD rules are fantasy adapted rules of Pirate MOBA "Rum & Bones"
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/168788/rum-bones and so as good as it (both have more than 7/10 rating on BGG)

I would assume the guy aboves joke 'is' that they are directly copied from Rum & Bones amongst other things.

(Also numerous updates on the LOAD KS are begging their backers to go and rate them on BGG to up their rating from the low mark it used to be).

Terrible company to deal with. I made an order, waited over 5 months as they failed to reply to any attempt to contact them, then cancelled the order (I ordered through a third-party who were still waiting on the stock that was prommised for July).

I pity anyone who ordered directly...

Great product, absolutely terrible customer services (at least in my opinion).

Snebze wrote:
Terrible company to deal with. I made an order, waited over 5 months as they failed to reply to any attempt to contact them, then cancelled the order (I ordered through a third-party who were still waiting on the stock that was prommised for July).

I pity anyone who ordered directly...

Great product, absolutely terrible customer services (at least in my opinion).

I think this is the crux.. I backed a seemingly unrelated KS.. and we got minis as a promotion.. which it turns out were made by Prodos. I backed another for 15mm models.. and those were made by Prodos. I feel like there was yet another but I can't remember what it was but I know they've done work for many many others.. AND.. all of those were delivered on time and with excellent quality (like.. some of the best resin I've ever seen). I think they really are in a spot where they need to get their act together or dissolve and reform with a competent management team at the helm.. or something.. because frankly.. they "can" produce some of the most amazing models out there.. but something is holding them back. They can deliver as well, as evidenced by the projects that weren't theirs that delivered on time. So, they have a weird bottleneck somewhere. With as much hatred as people have for them, they need to get those types of problems nailed down as fast as possible.

Who remembers Studio McVey? They were set to really blow up.. then infamy from a botched kickstarter hit and now it seems like the only way they can get people to touch their stuff is to piggyback off of CMON.. Prodos are IMO in a worse position than that even. They have to stealth piggyback...

 MLaw wrote:

Snebze wrote:
Terrible company to deal with. I made an order, waited over 5 months as they failed to reply to any attempt to contact them, then cancelled the order (I ordered through a third-party who were still waiting on the stock that was prommised for July).

I pity anyone who ordered directly...

Great product, absolutely terrible customer services (at least in my opinion).

I think this is the crux.. I backed a seemingly unrelated KS.. and we got minis as a promotion.. which it turns out were made by Prodos. I backed another for 15mm models.. and those were made by Prodos. I feel like there was yet another but I can't remember what it was but I know they've done work for many many others.. AND.. all of those were delivered on time and with excellent quality (like.. some of the best resin I've ever seen). I think they really are in a spot where they need to get their act together or dissolve and reform with a competent management team at the helm.. or something.. because frankly.. they "can" produce some of the most amazing models out there.. but something is holding them back. They can deliver as well, as evidenced by the projects that weren't theirs that delivered on time. So, they have a weird bottleneck somewhere. With as much hatred as people have for them, they need to get those types of problems nailed down as fast as possible.

Who remembers Studio McVey? They were set to really blow up.. then infamy from a botched kickstarter hit and now it seems like the only way they can get people to touch their stuff is to piggyback off of CMON.. Prodos are IMO in a worse position than that even. They have to stealth piggyback...

What's the problem with Studio McVey kickstarter (I don't know, are there any other underwater rocks)?. Their sculpts seem nice and "Rising sun"- their new game I've seen mentioned in a few places.. So are their sculpts the best thing about them?

Studio McVey are sculptors and not rules writers as far as I know, and I think they were just trying to make a quick game to capitalize on their mini designs. It blew up so much and they added so much content which they didn't have planned that simple would not work so well and shoehorning more in I believe broke what was barely usable to begin with. Add in delays and changes in material which caused size issues and it became a big cluster . I've bought 10 or so copies just for the models( I think they were fine for the clearance price I got them for), bases and dice (use them all for zombicide, they have a nice weight). I wish he would revisit the project in a few years as I like many of the sculpts and they could easily become a decent launch point for something new, but I think they want this dog to disappear from all memory.

I am eagerly awaiting Raising Sun though, and blood rage figs were excellent

Yep I've done 2 miniature kickstarters sedition wars and avp both were b#@&s ups . Never again . Have both the McVey and prodos stuff in a draw can't even look at it

Hey guys,

I've just found the movie that inspired Space Crusade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MP3lSwdQG8
since, according to
http://www.somethingawful.com/movie-reviews/total-retribution/1/
"This movie has to hold the all-time nudity record for something that's not actually a porno. Twenty solid minutes of the female lead wandering the ship completely naked, for no reason."
Actually, she/it is just a droïd fleshing reset, just like Barbie doll stored naked until the most convenient clothing is decided. Some fan service/scenario parallel development used for Quiet Character in Metal Gear Solid.
By the way note how Metal Gears look like GW/MB Dreadnoughts
"Its photosynthesis, she breaths through her skin, clothings would suffocate her" even Anita Sarkeesian (who share except for silence some physical similarity with Quiet) would understand this, wouldn't she?

So perhaps the Space Crusaders are good renegade Mazones from Captain Harlock manga/anime ?
http://bookofaliens.blogspot.be/2007/06/mazones-sylvidres.html

Still feel like Sedition Wars was largely a factor of people (both SMV and customers) not being used to PVC. And then for whatever bizarre reason (honestly can't remember what it was or if it sounded reasonable at the time), they rushed the 1.1/1.5/whatever rules reprint while there was still a lot of open testing etc. Either way, the rules eventually were pretty solid (and began stronger than a lot of other KS projects), but people were already pissed off.

Except for the PVC acronym (*), I see what you mean
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1001404/review-kickstarter-not-necessarily-game
Prodoss should give us at least basic core, and one of the board as well as few unit card to print to get our opinion about the rules by doing a firefight between Crusaders & Maras.
Even Gamezone did this for Heroquest 25th.


(*) do you refer to the polyvinyl chloride used for the miniature to designate any boardgame using minis rather than wood token (german games), card board unit on hexes (Advanced Squad Leader, or abstract shapes (1st versions of Risk, Cluedo,...)