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I'm very interested how this whole thing plays out. If it turns out she was making gak up wholesale I'll be disappointed as that would be two relatively high profile sexual assault cases in my country that neckbeard morons can use as evidence for their argument that women often make up a lot of their complaints.

That is true.

Although to be clear, the stats on rape versus false rape accusation make it very clear that real actual rape is about 10 times more prevalent.

What is counted as a false accusation? I suspect there's a lot of underreporting going on with both sides. I've known accusations made that have not gone to any authority, but are just finger pointing that result in someone being socially ostracised. Does that count as one of the 'false accusations' that are supposedly so rare? I've known of sexual assaults where the victim wouldn't go to the police. Then of the number of reported cases that actually result in a prosecution being so different to reported cases, either a lot of stories are made up or a lot of rapists walk free. I rather think it's mostly the latter, and that's a serious problem. But I also think a lot of accusations, real and false, never go before any authority and are never counted or tested in any fashion.

I think underreporting goes much deeper the other way, too. I've known many people who have been assaulted or raped. Only one of those incidents was ever reported to the police, and not by the victim but by the victim's sibling acting on the victim's behalf. Sadly, I know of a few cases where a child was victimized, the parents found out, and still no one contacted the police.

Having tried to contact the police over something similar, they were not very helpful.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
What is counted as a false accusation? I suspect there's a lot of underreporting going on with both sides. I've known accusations made that have not gone to any authority, but are just finger pointing that result in someone being socially ostracised. Does that count as one of the 'false accusations' that are supposedly so rare? I've known of sexual assaults where the victim wouldn't go to the police. Then of the number of reported cases that actually result in a prosecution being so different to reported cases, either a lot of stories are made up or a lot of rapists walk free. I rather think it's mostly the latter, and that's a serious problem. But I also think a lot of accusations, real and false, never go before any authority and are never counted or tested in any fashion.

In my opinion, the very nature of he said/ she said evidence in most rape cases means that criminally prosecuted rape will always remain rare.

That's why I think emphasis on educating young people about enthusiastic consent is more important than educating young girls about not walking alone or counting her drinks.

This lady should come game at my flgs. There's lots of young women and minorities who participate in games of all sorts (especially MtG). All events are supervised by the nice older married couple who own the shop along with their staff. Its a family friendly environment where even adult language is frowned upon because of kids playing Pokemon or star wars or whatever. People smoke there, but they do it in a designated area outside, and alcohol is prohibited.

The article itself was confusing. Is she saying all the events in the article happened to her personally, or were these stories from numerous people?

 jasper76 wrote:
This lady should come game at my flgs. There's lots of young women and minorities who participate in games of all sorts (especially MtG). All events are supervised by the nice older married couple who own the shop along with their staff. Its a family friendly environment where even adult language is frowned upon because of kids playing Pokemon or star wars or whatever. People smoke there, but they do it in a designated area outside, and alcohol is prohibited.

The article itself was confusing. Is she saying all the events in the article happened to her personally, or were these stories from numerous people?

She was saying all the events she described actually happened to her.

Well damn. Kids today...

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Not to be too mean here but I find the most extreme SJW crowd to be players of 'sisters of battle'. Not all of em are but they usually pick the 'all female' faction as a sort of 'girls rule, boys drool' agenda. It's sad as 'sisters of battle' as a faction don't really push that agenda but being all female they somewhat do.

I am interested in your analysis of why I also play trollblood. I have a guess though .

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Why are white men the new devil in the world?

You have to blame all your problems on someone, yes? Its so easy to blame those who "have been in power"

And frankly quite logical. Blaming your problems on people without any power?

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Also on the subject of the feminists let's also be honest about this. How many people attack just women or just black people or just one group? If somebody is a jerk to somebody then usually they'll be a jerk to others. However if a bunch of people are being a jerk to somebody and they find themselves the only target then chances are the issue lies with them and something they probably haven't told everybody else.

In other news, Black slaves were responsible for slavery. Surely if they were the only one being enslaved, then “chances are the issue lies with them and something they probably haven't told everybody else.”
Thanks flamingkillamajig for that very interesting insight!
Did you told us about how Jews and how “chances are the issue lies with them and something they probably haven't told everybody else”?
Oh, sorry, that was 70 years ago. This kind of things could never happen anymore!

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
The article itself was confusing. Is she saying all the events in the article happened to her personally, or were these stories from numerous people?

She was saying all the events she described actually happened to her.

She did?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Although to be clear, the stats on rape versus false rape accusation make it very clear that real actual rape is about 10 times more prevalent.

What stats? I love stats. What is this based on?

And yes, I'm going to try and pick it apart if it doesn't stand up under scrutiny. The same as if someone said there are 100 false rape accusations for every real actual rape.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Did you told us about how Jews and how “chances are the issue lies with them and something they probably haven't told everybody else”?

Hello Godwin my old friend, I've come to talk to you again

 Breotan wrote:
SJW seem to have appropriated the Bush Doctrine. Either you're with them or you're against them.

That sort of thinking pre-dates the Bush administration by at least, what, 30,000 years? As long as there have been 2 or more groups of people, there have been us and them.

Was it not the thinking of a rather accomplished (and thoroughly despicable) propagandist* that, "“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." And the rest, "The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie." Or in modern terms, the creation and enforcement of "safe spaces"-- among other things-- to shield the people, and using what is called vindictive protectionism. ( interesting thoughts here http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/)

*Yeah, Godwin's Law applies here. I lose the argument. Meh.

 Easy E wrote:
What is it with people being obsessed with having things forced down their throats? It's like some sort of fixation?

It's called Irrumatio-- in some cases anyway. You can look it up.

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Although to be clear, the stats on rape versus false rape accusation make it very clear that real actual rape is about 10 times more prevalent.

What stats? I love stats. What is this based on?

And yes, I'm going to try and pick it apart if it doesn't stand up under scrutiny. The same as if someone said there are 100 false rape accusations for every real actual rape.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Did you told us about how Jews and how “chances are the issue lies with them and something they probably haven't told everybody else”?

Hello Godwin my old friend, I've come to talk to you again

The stats on rape are all over the place and are rarely fairly done. Like the much talked about 1 in 4 on college campuses that counted things as rape that the women didn't think was rape. Or the UN 1 in 3 women claim that if you used the same questions it's 1 in 1 men. A big part of the problem is that money is involved.
As for false rape stats study's have it anywhere from 2 to 40% keep in mind that false stories are rarely called out do to fear that it will keep women from coming forward and you see the problem.

As for AS she is a con-woman who makes good cash from it thanks to her telemarketing classes she dose not play games she takes others work and makes cash off of it.

The US women's soccer team makes less do to the amount of money the sport brings in from what I have seen if that is off then they should win.
But you can't force people to care about sports and for some reason men are more interested in sports at lest in the US

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
The article itself was confusing. Is she saying all the events in the article happened to her personally, or were these stories from numerous people?

She was saying all the events she described actually happened to her.

She did?

That was the assumption considering she didn't say "These are a bunch of anecdotes from various women who got sexually assaulted"

There were a couple anecdotes that were mutually exclusive. One about an aboriginal woman and one about a black man iirc.

 jasper76 wrote:
There were a couple anecdotes that were mutually exclusive. One about an aboriginal woman and one about a black man iirc.

Those were about the store that she worked at (or just was a regular, I'm not positive).

 feeder wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
There were a couple anecdotes that were mutually exclusive. One about an aboriginal woman and one about a black man iirc.

Those were about the store that she worked at (or just was a regular, I'm not positive).

OK. The article confused me a bit. It kept jumping from essay to anecdote.

Oldmike wrote:
The stats on rape are all over the place and are rarely fairly done. Like the much talked about 1 in 4 on college campuses that counted things as rape that the women didn't think was rape. Or the UN 1 in 3 women claim that if you used the same questions it's 1 in 1 men. A big part of the problem is that money is involved.
As for false rape stats study's have it anywhere from 2 to 40% keep in mind that false stories are rarely called out do to fear that it will keep women from coming forward and you see the problem.

I know, that's what's frustrating. Numbers of convicted rapes in a country, city, state or worldwide by year should be straightforward to map, as they are factual data. But they wouldn't include all sexual assaults, because some that occur in reality would never get a conviction or be reported.

The number of unreported cases would be impossible to factually claim, because the most realistic way to get those numbers would be a survey, which is rife with the potential for mishandling, and the sample chosen would only indicate for that region.

The number of sexual assault cases that result in no conviction should also be straightforward to map, but the lack of conviction doesn't mean the offender is innocent, there would absolutely be a margin of offenders where the evidence wasn't good enough to convict, but they did it in reality.

I'd be keen to see solid stats, but I just don't know if that's possible.

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:

Oldmike wrote:
The stats on rape are all over the place and are rarely fairly done. Like the much talked about 1 in 4 on college campuses that counted things as rape that the women didn't think was rape. Or the UN 1 in 3 women claim that if you used the same questions it's 1 in 1 men. A big part of the problem is that money is involved.
As for false rape stats study's have it anywhere from 2 to 40% keep in mind that false stories are rarely called out do to fear that it will keep women from coming forward and you see the problem.

I know, that's what's frustrating. Numbers of convicted rapes in a country, city, state or worldwide by year should be straightforward to map, as they are factual data. But they wouldn't include all sexual assaults, because some that occur in reality would never get a conviction or be reported.

The number of unreported cases would be impossible to factually claim, because the most realistic way to get those numbers would be a survey, which is rife with the potential for mishandling, and the sample chosen would only indicate for that region.

The number of sexual assault cases that result in no conviction should also be straightforward to map, but the lack of conviction doesn't mean the offender is innocent, there would absolutely be a margin of offenders where the evidence wasn't good enough to convict, but they did it in reality.

I'd be keen to see solid stats, but I just don't know if that's possible.

One thing that gets me mad is the idea that everyone that's not convicted was still a rapist. The world seems to have a guilty until proven innocent mentally. Going by sexual harassment lawsuits their are 3 categories true false and the kicker "not a crime" I think sexual assault is the same way some have gone so far as to call asking a woman out or even looking at her as rape. Until we move away from feelings and more into logic.

Oldmike wrote:
One thing that gets me mad is the idea that everyone that's not convicted was still a rapist. The world seems to have a guilty until proven innocent mentally. Going by sexual harassment lawsuits their are 3 categories true false and the kicker "not a crime" I think sexual assault is the same way some have gone so far as to call asking a woman out or even looking at her as rape. Until we move away from feelings and more into logic.

Eh, just like any crime, there are convicted innocents and the unconvicted guilty. But I do agree the 'guilty until proven innocent' is a big problem.

As always, I blame the media, and myself. It's difficult to read a story and not consider it in good faith to be true, usually. We're a sentimental species.

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Although to be clear, the stats on rape versus false rape accusation make it very clear that real actual rape is about 10 times more prevalent.

What stats? I love stats. What is this based on?

...

31,000 rapes recorded by police in England and Wales in the year to June 2015.

6,448 cases of perverting the course of justice. This includes various offences of which false accusation of rape is one.

Source:
02appendixtablescrimeinenglandandwalesyearendingjune2015final_tcm77-419663.xls

from the Office of National Statistics web site

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/2015-10-15

If you look up the details on false rape accusations, it's very uncommon. Here's a report from the Crown Prosecution Service research archive.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/research/perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwie5PO-ifzLAhVCqxoKHUNWCAoQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNGXrZK26UOubysD29Hp2tZkaOzyfw&sig2=rKGpdFeU-nNMkWqaRB-1jw

perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf

If anything, a 10 to 1 ratio of rape to false rape accusations is a conservative estimate.

Oldmike wrote:

One thing that gets me mad is the idea that everyone that's not convicted was still a rapist. The world seems to have a guilty until proven innocent mentally. Going by sexual harassment lawsuits their are 3 categories true false and the kicker "not a crime" I think sexual assault is the same way some have gone so far as to call asking a woman out or even looking at her as rape. Until we move away from feelings and more into logic.

If someone steals your car, you report it, they are arrested but not convicted, he is 'not guilty' of stealing your car, doesn't make your car suddenly 'not stolen'.

Just because a rapist is found 'not guilty' doesn't means the rape didn't happen and the victim wasn't raped. And never making it to trial is not the same as 'innocent' either.

It is pretty vulgar to tell a rape victim, "welp, he wasn't convicted so you were not raped." The system makes it pretty hard to actually get someone convicted of rape unless if happens in the scary 'Man from the bushes at knifepoint' scenario. A lot of rapes go reported but ignored and prosecuted.

nkelsch wrote:
The system makes it pretty hard to actually get someone convicted of rape unless if happens in the scary 'Man from the bushes at knifepoint' scenario. A lot of rapes go reported but ignored and prosecuted.

And quite a few go unreported because the victim is ashamed, or unprosecuted because the victim (due to being traumatized) doesn't report it in time to gather conclusive evidence.

Still, can't say I've ever considered gaming to be the prime scene of harassing and sexually assaulting women. School, anyone? The workplace?

nkelsch wrote:

Oldmike wrote:

One thing that gets me mad is the idea that everyone that's not convicted was still a rapist. The world seems to have a guilty until proven innocent mentally. Going by sexual harassment lawsuits their are 3 categories true false and the kicker "not a crime" I think sexual assault is the same way some have gone so far as to call asking a woman out or even looking at her as rape. Until we move away from feelings and more into logic.

If someone steals your car, you report it, they are arrested but not convicted, he is 'not guilty' of stealing your car, doesn't make your car suddenly 'not stolen'.

Just because a rapist is found 'not guilty' doesn't means the rape didn't happen and the victim wasn't raped. And never making it to trial is not the same as 'innocent' either.

It is pretty vulgar to tell a rape victim, "welp, he wasn't convicted so you were not raped." The system makes it pretty hard to actually get someone convicted of rape unless if happens in the scary 'Man from the bushes at knifepoint' scenario. A lot of rapes go reported but ignored and prosecuted.

Two people go out and get drunk ( not blackout drunk or passed out) they have sex was someone raped? What if someone lies to get someone to sleep with them is it rape? It's things like this that are problems for people

Oldmike wrote:
I think sexual assault is the same way some have gone so far as to call asking a woman out or even looking at her as rape.

And this, everybody, is why people get so frustrated having to explain this all the time.

Because people argue about rape statistics and try to have discussions, but then gak like this gets said, and people read it, and they go "Oh my god! Why would people do that?! Ugh, I hate that it's so unfair to men." and then they repeat it as if it's a fact. And then someone else hears it and does the same thing. And then soon you have an entire side of the debate talking about it in ridiculous exaggerations about how looking at a woman is rape and they're obviously making it up and 50% of rape accusations are lies, and then it spreads to "well, there's loads of rape accusations that are false, so these claims about sexual harrassment (OP) must obviously be false as well! I've never seen anything like it, it can't have happened!", and then you have basically any claim that doesn't come with a signed confession, video evidence and DNA samples being treated as suspect by people on the internet because we need to stop the scourge that is false rape accusations.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 VorpalBunny74 wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Although to be clear, the stats on rape versus false rape accusation make it very clear that real actual rape is about 10 times more prevalent.

What stats? I love stats. What is this based on?

...

31,000 rapes recorded by police in England and Wales in the year to June 2015.

6,448 cases of perverting the course of justice. This includes various offences of which false accusation of rape is one.

Source:
02appendixtablescrimeinenglandandwalesyearendingjune2015final_tcm77-419663.xls

from the Office of National Statistics web site

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/2015-10-15

If you look up the details on false rape accusations, it's very uncommon. Here's a report from the Crown Prosecution Service research archive.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/research/perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwie5PO-ifzLAhVCqxoKHUNWCAoQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNGXrZK26UOubysD29Hp2tZkaOzyfw&sig2=rKGpdFeU-nNMkWqaRB-1jw

perverting_course_of_justice_march_2013.pdf

If anything, a 10 to 1 ratio of rape to false rape accusations is a conservative estimate.

Unless they are 100% positive it's false they just drop it and the U.K. has some pushing to not prosecute even those. In the US it's even worse as even proven false stores are not prosecuted

Oldmike wrote:
Two people go out and get drunk ( not blackout drunk or passed out) they have sex was someone raped? What if someone lies to get someone to sleep with them is it rape? It's things like this that are problems for people

Depends, and most likely, yes. See, there's this whole thing called nuance, and another thing called context. Try them sometime!

 Goliath wrote:

Oldmike wrote:
Two people go out and get drunk ( not blackout drunk or passed out) they have sex was someone raped? What if someone lies to get someone to sleep with them is it rape? It's things like this that are problems for people

Depends, and most likely, yes. See, there's this whole thing called nuance, and another thing called context. Try them sometime!

So I betting to you if it's a woman and a man who are dunk then he raiped her but if it's two women then not rape.

Oldmike wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

Oldmike wrote:
Two people go out and get drunk ( not blackout drunk or passed out) they have sex was someone raped? What if someone lies to get someone to sleep with them is it rape? It's things like this that are problems for people

Depends, and most likely, yes. See, there's this whole thing called nuance, and another thing called context. Try them sometime!

So I betting to you if it's a woman and a man who are dunk then he raiped her but if it's two women then not rape.

No. Just stop talking, you are only making yourself look very stupid when you come out with complete rubbish like that.

Oldmike wrote:

 Goliath wrote:

Oldmike wrote:
Two people go out and get drunk ( not blackout drunk or passed out) they have sex was someone raped? What if someone lies to get someone to sleep with them is it rape? It's things like this that are problems for people

Depends, and most likely, yes. See, there's this whole thing called nuance, and another thing called context. Try them sometime!

So I betting to you if it's a woman and a man who are dunk then he raiped her but if it's two women then not rape.

There it is. The assumption that I'm *obviously* going to be anti-male. I obviously think men can't be raped, right? That's what you're suggesting? Well, fun fact, but it can be either of the people! How weird is that? All genders are capable of being gakky, predatory people!

And, another fun fact, but I've been in the situation you're hypothesising about, and I was the one that was taken advantage of, and I'm a guy! I know right?! See, you seem to have this preconception that everyone that discusses consent is obviously anti-male, when it's just not true.