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 Grumblewartz wrote:
Ugh...without a substantial points reduction of possessed, the Crimson Slaughter update will be pointless (same with Chosen and the Black Legion). Blah. After what happened to the Orks and the Ghaz supplement (and the Cadians before that), I ceased caring. Of course, then you look at the absolute absurdity of the Wulfen... Puts a bad taste in my mouth to say the least.

Considering you are still on the verge of a new Codex early next year that will still be able to make use of this information (the same way that the Mephrit Dynasty stuff is still usable for Next one despite proceeding their new codex), all is not lost.

I don't think that they will get a point reduction this would make the supplement incompatible with any new codex. But they might just get enough special rules to make them worth it.

Yeah those wulfen made me realise again how bad of a game 40k really is at the moment.

I will say it would be fun to use shroud of deceit on a unit of Grav centurions or a Vaul's D-weapon battery.

I hold 0 hopes for my CSM ever becoming "Meta" again nor ever being fun to play unless the mindset is "Watch them die in droves" So ill calmly wait for some bloke on Dakka to buy it, review it and then tell us what he thinks.

Aside from that, here's hoping!....?

Gah, what are they doooiiiiing?

Don't they read anything on the internet?

I would start CSM like that if they had decent models and a codex on par with the last few.

This... this is just so much headdesk fail, I don't have the words.

Hmm, I can't be bothered to dig out my rulebook right now but, would the khorne formation allow those units to charge from reserve? Since it says that they may charge in the turn you use that rule, which happens to include after running.

Haha or from a transport.. But no. It overrides a specific restriction, it wouldn't override other restrictions.

I wouldn't complain too soon, I'm quite sure there will be formations for the other gods' subgroups in the BL. The hounds of Abaddon are just the Khorne-subgroup that was already presented in the original BL-book. I'd be surprised if there weren't rules for the Bringes of despair (Nurgle) for example.

I do like that Psychic Power, particularly if GW decides that CSM can't have the cute little Grav-Cannons that the IoM has.

Do the Cabal get the bonus dice on all their spells? The entry seems incomplete and doesn't seem to say it only functions with the new spell.

 Eldarain wrote:
Do the Cabal get the bonus dice on all their spells? The entry seems incomplete and doesn't seem to say it only functions with the new spell.

It specifically states you get extra dice for that psychic test. Pretty cut and dry.

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I wouldn't complain too soon, I'm quite sure there will be formations for the other gods' subgroups in the BL. The hounds of Abaddon are just the Khorne-subgroup that was already presented in the original BL-book. I'd be surprised if there weren't rules for the Bringes of despair (Nurgle) for example.

Prepare to be surprised. Chatter on B&C says that all we've seen is all there is. iPad versions have updated already, and contain only the formations leaked, plus one more for Abaddon and a Terminator retinue. Warlord traits and artefacts unchanged. No overarching "decurion" rules.

Quick thought - would you be able to use up an opponent's one use only weapons through using the cabal's power?

Seems like a hilarious troll move if you can!

It shoots as if it was your unit so yes, you can.

 Scourged wrote:

Sgt. Cortez wrote:
I wouldn't complain too soon, I'm quite sure there will be formations for the other gods' subgroups in the BL. The hounds of Abaddon are just the Khorne-subgroup that was already presented in the original BL-book. I'd be surprised if there weren't rules for the Bringes of despair (Nurgle) for example.

Prepare to be surprised. Chatter on B&C says that all we've seen is all there is. iPad versions have updated already, and contain only the formations leaked, plus one more for Abaddon and a Terminator retinue. Warlord traits and artefacts unchanged. No overarching "decurion" rules.

The same thing happened with the Ork Codex. We didn't see the Decurion until later.

Wow.... Just as bad as expected. No, Decurion. The only represented god is Khorne. I was expecting at least something for Nurgle.

Chossen of Abbadon is especially sad. They get fear as long as the Chaos Lord is alive? They already have that anyway. Sure if your take a Sorcerer in is has a use be the Sorcerer already LD10 so still useless. Also a terminator formation with no scatter mitigation and no bonus to make them better at their job, or killing stuff. I can't believe I'm saying this but damn it the Loyalist at least got the Fear USR as well. Are Chaos terminators not scary, now?

 Sersi wrote:
Wow.... Just as bad as expected. No, Decurion. The only represented god is Khorne. I was expecting at least something for Nurgle.

Oh, you have the book? Because not everything has been revealed as to what is in it. We haven't seen the Detachment yet (White Dwarf says there is one).

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
Wow.... Just as bad as expected. No, Decurion. The only represented god is Khorne. I was expecting at least something for Nurgle.

Oh, you have the book? Because not everything has been revealed as to what is in it. We haven't seen the Detachment yet (White Dwarf says there is one).

It does? I thought that it was already somehow out there in the black library update and all that was missing was a formation with abaddon? No new traits either.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
Wow.... Just as bad as expected. No, Decurion. The only represented god is Khorne. I was expecting at least something for Nurgle.

Oh, you have the book? Because not everything has been revealed as to what is in it. We haven't seen the Detachment yet (White Dwarf says there is one).

Where was that in white dwarf? It specifically says there will be Chaos detachments? Its not in the Black Legion digital update. Feel free to keep the faith. I've seen nothing yet that turns CSM's around, you can of course build a fluffy and inefficient lists with these formations. If we do get a detachment it would have be amazing to turn this around.

 Sersi wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
Wow.... Just as bad as expected. No, Decurion. The only represented god is Khorne. I was expecting at least something for Nurgle.

Oh, you have the book? Because not everything has been revealed as to what is in it. We haven't seen the Detachment yet (White Dwarf says there is one).

Where was that in white dwarf? It specifically says there will be Chaos detachments? Its not in the Black Legion digital update. Feel free to keep the faith. I've seen nothing yet that turns CSM's around, you can of course build a fluffy and inefficient lists with these formations. If we do get a detachment it would have be amazing to turn this around.

I apologize. I misread the WD (or got wires crossed thinking of the C:SM stuff which does have detachments). No mention of detachments. Because GW thinks CSM are Khorne, and that is it. All the possible joy I had for this product is gone.

How will it affect the meta?

It won't.

Throwing in some formations into supplements does NOT address the fundamental problems with the core CSM codex.

The units are still horrendously overpointed, suffer from a terrible internal balance and are still victims of some terrible army wide special rules that pretty much screw Chaos over on a regular basis - mandatory challenges just to roll on a random table should you do something screws us over something fierce. Like, no, I don't want my Champion to be focused on trying to kill the one git with a 2+ invuln save...I'd rather have him focus on murdering the rest of the unit.

A lot of these 'new' formations are literally Apocalypse and Apocalypse Reload reprints. They're new in the fact that they weren't 40k legal before but are now.

However, that fixes nothing. Unless these formations miraculously rectify the problems of the core codex by throwing us an extra 100 points to spend per 500 they will literally do nothing for us.

And if they do?

Well, that makes Chaos even worse. That literally puts us in the realm of being the only core Codex that needs to buy another 2-3 books plus an Imperial Armour book to even function.

Not looking forward to rerollable 3++ saves on t5 models if its more than chaos/generic powers....

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Not looking forward to rerollable 3++ saves on t5 models if its more than chaos/generic powers....

Yeah pretty much every marine star just got better with these psychic updates.


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I think they are ok.. but they are all way to expensive.. especially the first one.. maybe if it was apoc blast.. or barrage... or 3 auto pens... idk.

Those are the exact same relics as before. Nothing changed with them, except now you can take them in addition to the ones ins the codex rather than instead of them.

Not that you would want to given that they're all over costed anyway.

 Sersi wrote:
Those are the exact same relics as before. Nothing changed with them, except now you can take them in addition to the ones ins the codex rather than instead of them.

Not that you would want to given that they're all over costed anyway.

Boo!

None of these formations mean any thing.

Meh I say.... The formations look pretty different though not really that in line with what we thought Black Legion were all about....

But I for one am just getting so bored of playing the same couple of formations every sodding game! Mainly cause the others are unusable or too expensive to make worthwhile taking.

Been loving the deamonkin since they came out and was nice to have something with a bit of flavour to it. But damn! I miss the old days where you could safely make an army list up with your codex and not be at a disadvantage. Formations just seem so.... restrictive.

Seeing them being cut and pasted into existing supplements just makes me even more disappointed.

F*cking Crimson Dbags!

Anyway, a couple of crappy formations isn't going to fix our few codex's.

 Grizzyzz wrote:

 cosmicsoybean wrote:
Not looking forward to rerollable 3++ saves on t5 models if its more than chaos/generic powers....

Yeah pretty much every marine star just got better with these psychic updates.


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I think they are ok.. but they are all way to expensive.. especially the first one.. maybe if it was apoc blast.. or barrage... or 3 auto pens... idk.

I have a hard enough time as is dealing with my friends 6+~ thunderwolf with TH/SS let alone rerollable, but its expected, GW is making everything op.

The Daemon Engine pack made me happy.

Now I can have two Forgefiends following my Warpsmith's Retinue.

dang, non-vehicles, too bad..... would be fun to hijack a titan or something of the like. guess we'll have to settle for tau mechs or demon-prince, or bio-titan