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Thing is... if there isn't a leveling/persistence mechanic, nor an open/ongoing campaign mechanic.... why offer additional classes, etc?

I feel like their value, and the game's longevity also hinges on those kinds of systems. Treasure cards have that much more value if I want to increase diversity ten+ games in.... but if the game is "play exactly these nine scenarios and then you're done", I don't know how excited I will remain.

Sorry, so the WHQ core game is coming with those 4 extra hero cards, and then in a few weeks the models for those extra hero cards will be made available? Am I understanding that correctly?

Or are those hero models available now, but will be an offical "box set" in a few weeks?

Because I saw in some leaks they have rules for screamers and flamers, which can be purchased now. So that would make sense.

 Nova_Impero wrote:
Any suggestions on where I can find this information? I don't have the Fyreslayers book.

Fyreslayers and the main Warhammer: Age of Sigmar book are your best bets for information about the Shadowkin. Pages 56 and 57 in the big AoS book.

 spaceman spiff wrote:
Posted over on BGG forums:

After speaking with my FLGS here is some info on the game from the sales rep.

- The designer was apart of the WHQ community. He tried to keep it close to the original.

- The holographic cards come with store orders around $3000. So good luck getting those.

- The game has 4 extra hero cards. The models are available individually but will drop in a few weeks as a boxed set. Price point was not given.

I am assuming that the 'store orders around $3000' is for a single order that includes WQ:ST will get some of the holographic cards included in their order.

I was told that if my FLGS ordered 20 copies, they got the swag. When I inquired further, I was told that the swag was extremely limited (ie. the launch pack only comes with 5 foil cards for the entire store).

Chopxsticks wrote:
Sorry, so the WHQ core game is coming with those 4 extra hero cards, and then in a few weeks the models for those extra hero cards will be made available? Am I understanding that correctly?

Or are those hero models available now, but will be an offical "box set" in a few weeks?

Because I saw in some leaks they have rules for screamers and flamers, which can be purchased now. So that would make sense.

My guess is that there will be a box set of existing models like the recent box with the three space marine heroes. I would love it if this was a mini expandion with a selection of skill and treasure cards.
There is a lot of potential for the future of this game if additional content is handled right.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nova_Impero wrote:
Any suggestions on where I can find this information? I don't have the Fyreslayers book.

Fyreslayers and the main Warhammer: Age of Sigmar book are your best bets for information about the Shadowkin. Pages 56 and 57 in the big AoS book.

Thanks.

If the cards will be included, and its based on current AoS heroes, I'm probably good as I've already bought most of the individual plastics.

I really do hope there's some sort of persistence.

This looks cool! Not sure if I would get it for the actual game but it has a ton of nice looking models! For $150 (USD I'm assuming?) Seems like a good way to break up my painting and get some nice hero models! Plus new skaven model....dang tempting

Hopefully they will put up a play video like they did with the last two boxed games to help evaluate play.

I'm out of money for now, but picking this up in the future is proportional to its compatibility with the old Warhammer Quest.

The 3k order for cards is your total gw order.

Our FLGS ordered around 8 sets of WQST and first 5 people get foil cards, so that's 25 foils right there.

They were told if they sell 20 in total, they get another 5 sets of foils, so 25 more.

As for the 4 extra heroes, the box set that's coming is ones already released currently for AOS but bundled for a discount if you buy that box. Hence the purpose of the WQST App. The app lets you buy the cards, so its useful if you have the models already and don't want to buy the hero box set. Where as in my case I have no AOS so ill buy the bundle and save some $

So, rumors of this going into Big box stores.
That sounds so cool.
Imagine if it made it into Hobby Lobby?

That'd be sweet.

My local comic stores went under new management and the former nerd-vanas they were have become bare-bones online shops with tables in them. No more wall-to-wall comics and tabletop games anymore...

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

Vorian wrote:
In what way?

If there's a bundle of 40 that are then also sold separately the only difference is the option to buy individual ones if you want

Somehow this is a bad thing apparently?

Exactly this. However, the difference between an extra option and exploitative microtransactions comes down to price. $10 for a pack of 40 cards, with the option to instead buy individual cards at $0.50 and its great. $50 for a pack of 40 cards with the option to buy individually at $2.00 and its something completely different..

And also, you know, the completely different format that has different legal ramifications.

If I buy an expansion pack of cards they are mine for the rest of my life if I take care of them. If I buy a "bundle deal" of e-cards on an app then I own nothing, I have rented a license to use those cards for however long GW decides I can, and they could reach into my device a year down the line and delete all of those cards if they wanted to.

Not to mention they might decide a particular card is overpowered and nerf it; with physical cards I can decide if I like the new version of the card and choose whether or not to use it, but with an app GW can just change the card and your choices are like it or lump it.

Thats extreme dude, Way extreme. I play alot of online card games. I'll use Hearthstone as an example. sure they can change cards, nurf or buff, but you get it that instant. I dont need to buy new cards to get those game changes, good or bad I suppose.

Ive also never heard of a company just deleting all of someones data because they can. Im pretty sure in most countries they have laws over digital stuff. Thats straight Dooms Day Preppers reality lvl of paranoia.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme. .... Thats straight Dooms Day Preppers reality lvl of paranoia.

I see you've met Yodhrin. Welcome to DakkaDakka.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the new realm of battle boards seem to have new scenery too (painted blue). I don't like the colour, but painted up as stone they could be cool!


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With the Micro Transactions, I played over 90+ hours of the WHQ app (completed on hardcore!) - I bought lots of IAPs, but there was definitely a difference between some that seemed "worth it" and some that didn't. I bought all the new characters, all the new tiles and maps and monsters - I never bought any of the legendary equipment and never bought any of the hardcore "lives" (earn your equipment and when you die you roll a new character!)

All of it was digital, but not all seemed "worth it". I think the app will walk this line, but hopefully GW doesn't get too greedy with the pricing or on what's available.

You managed 90 hours without GW reaching into your tablet and deleting your game? You got lucky son

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme. I play alot of online card games. I'll use Hearthstone as an example. sure they can change cards, nurf or buff, but you get it that instant. I dont need to buy new cards to get those game changes, good or bad I suppose.

Ive also never heard of a company just deleting all of someones data because they can. Im pretty sure in most countries they have laws over digital stuff. Thats straight Dooms Day Preppers reality lvl of paranoia.

Tell that to all the computer or video games that can no longer be played since they require online servers that's now been shut down. And the company shuts down any fan-hosted servers created to enable people to continue playing the game.

Presumably GW won't delete any cards from your existing phone/tablet but don't count on being able to access them in a few years with your new device.

I can't wait for the individual models to start hitting eBay. I really want that Knight Questor. He looks quite nice. I could see using him as a Liberator Prime, but I already have two of those. Still pretty awesome.

 Stormonu wrote:
The old game had individual minis that you could buy (like "Human Gladiator"), and it was not until recently that I learned they came with anything more than the mini. I never bought into them because I thought the idea was nothing more than a money grab. They used a different term back then, but to me they were the same sort of nickel-and-diming.

Except, by your own admission, they weren't nickel-and-diming you, because they weren't just minis, but full character packs with mini, rules, counters, cards and so on.

 Stormonu wrote:
My point though is that they sold add-ons back in the day, they sold many of the same add-ons for the recent iPad app and it's assured they'll do it for this new game - and to my wallet, it will be overpriced; too much for too little.

To which again I say, there's a difference between buying a 40-card treasure pack and having to buy extra rules for your guys at 99c a pop.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme.

No it's not. It's happening already.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
The old game had individual minis that you could buy (like "Human Gladiator"), and it was not until recently that I learned they came with anything more than the mini. I never bought into them because I thought the idea was nothing more than a money grab. They used a different term back then, but to me they were the same sort of nickel-and-diming.

Except, by your own admission, they weren't nickel-and-diming you, because they weren't just minis, but full character packs with mini, rules, counters, cards and so on.

 Stormonu wrote:
My point though is that they sold add-ons back in the day, they sold many of the same add-ons for the recent iPad app and it's assured they'll do it for this new game - and to my wallet, it will be overpriced; too much for too little.

To which again I say, there's a difference between buying a 40-card treasure pack and having to buy extra rules for your guys at 99c a pop.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme.

No it's not. It's happening already.

Or perhaps it's not....from the very same blogger: https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/09/apple-and-james-excellent-adventure/

With more info and pics I'm LESS likely to buy it, not more :/

Minis wise I'm only loving the ogre, the gors, the cultists and the horrors and ONE set of familiars. With such distinct designs clones for them are rather disappointing, because way to obvious. Well, Skaven and barb are nice as well, I have lots of those though.

Tiles look weird, but not in a great way. Gameplay is still a wild card.

Maybe I should buy some start collecting set instead, because this might be basically the same for me, but twice as expensive

Why no Tzeentch warriors? Something better than those goblins? Do we need each familiar twice?

Neronoxx wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme. .... Thats straight Dooms Day Preppers reality lvl of paranoia.

I see you've met Yodhrin. Welcome to DakkaDakka.

He is not wrong though. ever played an mmo that is now defunct?. it's the same. I have bought about 4 packs of cards for HS but Im also aware one day its going to go.

As said im only keeping the beastmen n ogre. if the other heroes are cool that may appear i may get one but i honestly doubt it. i don't like the male witch elf or the faceless wizard thing, the others are very meh. i might keep the sorcerer but probably not.

It looks like the 4 extra characters mentioned are:

Khorne Slaughterpriest
Auric Runemaster
Tzeentch Sorceror Lord
Knight Venator

Bit of a weird mix but I gues it means you can run either fully good or fully bad parties?

 Zywus wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme. I play alot of online card games. I'll use Hearthstone as an example. sure they can change cards, nurf or buff, but you get it that instant. I dont need to buy new cards to get those game changes, good or bad I suppose.

Ive also never heard of a company just deleting all of someones data because they can. Im pretty sure in most countries they have laws over digital stuff. Thats straight Dooms Day Preppers reality lvl of paranoia.

Tell that to all the computer or video games that can no longer be played since they require online servers that's now been shut down. And the company shuts down any fan-hosted servers created to enable people to continue playing the game.

Presumably GW won't delete any cards from your existing phone/tablet but don't count on being able to access them in a few years with your new device.

yeah.... its not the same thing.. yeah...


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 General Kroll wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
The old game had individual minis that you could buy (like "Human Gladiator"), and it was not until recently that I learned they came with anything more than the mini. I never bought into them because I thought the idea was nothing more than a money grab. They used a different term back then, but to me they were the same sort of nickel-and-diming.

Except, by your own admission, they weren't nickel-and-diming you, because they weren't just minis, but full character packs with mini, rules, counters, cards and so on.

 Stormonu wrote:
My point though is that they sold add-ons back in the day, they sold many of the same add-ons for the recent iPad app and it's assured they'll do it for this new game - and to my wallet, it will be overpriced; too much for too little.

To which again I say, there's a difference between buying a 40-card treasure pack and having to buy extra rules for your guys at 99c a pop.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme.

No it's not. It's happening already.

Or perhaps it's not....from the very same blogger: https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/09/apple-and-james-excellent-adventure/

uh-oh

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme. I play alot of online card games. I'll use Hearthstone as an example. sure they can change cards, nurf or buff, but you get it that instant. I dont need to buy new cards to get those game changes, good or bad I suppose.

Which is rather the point.

To illustrate; I have the original Mordheim rulebook in physical format, I have the digital PDF "living rulebook" from before the downfall of Specialist Games, and I have a fan rewrite of the system. I also have the various add-ons and annuals as PDFs or as physical magazines. I can choose to play "classic" Mordheim with no changes, I can choose to play LRB Mordheim with house rules, I can decide whether or not to include the rules committee changes, whatever I like. Now picture a world in which GW released Mordheim now, today, in the form of a digital "app" rulebook, with in-app purchases for new warband lists and new items & events to add to the aftergame sequence - I have lost all control over my experience. If they decide to change the stats of a weapon, or the wording of a special rule, or to roll up the two separate Orc & Goblin warbands they had released into a single list that removed a ton of options, there would be nothing I as the customer could do, as I have no right to the original version of the data, it was never mine in the first place I only ever bought a license to use it at the company's discretion and in the manner they decide I could.

Ive also never heard of a company just deleting all of someones data because they can. Im pretty sure in most countries they have laws over digital stuff. Thats straight Dooms Day Preppers reality lvl of paranoia.

Really? You've never heard of game developers shutting off their online authentication and then never providing a fix? You've never heard of them killing vital infrastructure elements of multiplayer games without providing an alternative? Christ on a bike man, Apple are currently embroiled in a huge steaming mess with customers over their Apple Music service that reaches into your computer and irretrievably deletes your entire on-disk music collection in return for giving you access to cloud-based versions of the music(versions they choose, meaning you might get Radio Edits rather than Explicit versions or they might swap a rare live acoustic version for the basic pre-recorded release track), and it does this even during the free trial. If you want to pretend this kind of stuff isn't happening right now that's up to you, but it is, and given GW's track record I think anyone willing to give them that much control over how you use their products is being naive.

I like physical products. I like self-contained DRM-free digital products that I can control and copy as I see fit. I do not like renting access to an app that remains entirely under the power of the company that made it because it is a quantifiable and demonstrable reduction in my consumer rights(from owned product to software license).

sadysaneto wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme. I play alot of online card games. I'll use Hearthstone as an example. sure they can change cards, nurf or buff, but you get it that instant. I dont need to buy new cards to get those game changes, good or bad I suppose.

Ive also never heard of a company just deleting all of someones data because they can. Im pretty sure in most countries they have laws over digital stuff. Thats straight Dooms Day Preppers reality lvl of paranoia.

Tell that to all the computer or video games that can no longer be played since they require online servers that's now been shut down. And the company shuts down any fan-hosted servers created to enable people to continue playing the game.

Presumably GW won't delete any cards from your existing phone/tablet but don't count on being able to access them in a few years with your new device.

yeah.... its not the same thing.. yeah...


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 General Kroll wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
The old game had individual minis that you could buy (like "Human Gladiator"), and it was not until recently that I learned they came with anything more than the mini. I never bought into them because I thought the idea was nothing more than a money grab. They used a different term back then, but to me they were the same sort of nickel-and-diming.

Except, by your own admission, they weren't nickel-and-diming you, because they weren't just minis, but full character packs with mini, rules, counters, cards and so on.

 Stormonu wrote:
My point though is that they sold add-ons back in the day, they sold many of the same add-ons for the recent iPad app and it's assured they'll do it for this new game - and to my wallet, it will be overpriced; too much for too little.

To which again I say, there's a difference between buying a 40-card treasure pack and having to buy extra rules for your guys at 99c a pop.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Thats extreme dude, Way extreme.

No it's not. It's happening already.

Or perhaps it's not....from the very same blogger: https://blog.vellumatlanta.com/2016/05/09/apple-and-james-excellent-adventure/

uh-oh

To be fair it's still damn annoying what happened to that guys music, but it does appear to have been an error....then again it could be that Apple realised this was a massive PR failure and are rolling back their evil slightly to appease the masses.

As for games losing playability and stuff, I guess that's completely possible, as others have said there are plenty of online games that have completely lost support. So I don't think it's over the top to suggest that GW could one day pull support for the app. Everything depends on how the app will work, and where exactly the data is stored. If the data is stored in the AppStore or google play for example, there should be no issue. If it's stored in GW servers then once support is pulled then the app will become less useful.

But essentially the premise that we are all at the mercy of whoever we get our data from in the online world is a valid one.

If this is so worrying, then take screenahots of the app and save them onto a USB or email them to yourself. There are ways around all of your problems you mention. An app seems like a potentially useful but probably unnecessary tool to enjoy the game. If the history of warhammer quest is anything to do go by the community will probably invent rules to improve the game in any case.

I am excited to try out the game and I will probably download the app if it is priced reasonably. I am really interested in the competitive cooperation the new game seems to be going for.

Chikout wrote:
If this is so worrying, then take screenahots of the app and save them onto a USB or email them to yourself. There are ways around all of your problems you mention. An app seems like a potentially useful but probably unnecessary tool to enjoy the game. If the history of warhammer quest is anything to do go by the community will probably invent rules to improve the game in any case.

I am excited to try out the game and I will probably download the app if it is priced reasonably. I am really interested in the competitive cooperation the new game seems to be going for.

Yeah, there are definitely ways around it should it become an issue. I'm really looking forward to trying out the game.

4 cards for other characters up on BOLS:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/05/warhammer-quest-silver-tower-latest-rules-pics.html

Slaughterpriest
Tzeench Sorcerer Lord
Auric Runemaster
Knight-Venator