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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm going to assume that the Beastclaw Raiders are just going to be repacks.

Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.

Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.

Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...

I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.

If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p

I wouldn't count on a tyrant in the box. Do any "Start Collecting" boxes have finecast models in them? I also wouldn't expect them to mix factions in a start collecting box, so more likely a "Start collecting: Beastclaw Raiders" box would be Thundertusk/Stonehorn and Mournfangs (plus maybe one of the new heroes, if there is a new model associated with it?)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm going to assume that the Beastclaw Raiders are just going to be repacks.

Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.

Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.

Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...

I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.

If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p

The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?

Only problem is there's never been an ogre hero in plastic, as far as I can remember.

Unless GW want to go and plasticize the Tyrant model, which I'm sure many wouldn't mind...

A Stonehorn and a pack of 4 Mournfangs a la the Eldar set wouldn't be a bad deal.

 Ghaz wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm going to assume that the Beastclaw Raiders are just going to be repacks.

Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.

Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.

Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...

I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.

If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p

The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?

Not for Age of Sigmar as far as I know, but in 40k they had a mixed faction box.

Rihgu wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm going to assume that the Beastclaw Raiders are just going to be repacks.

Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.

Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.

Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...

I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.

If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p

The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?

Not for Age of Sigmar as far as I know, but in 40k they had a mixed faction box.

I haven't noticed it. Which is that?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Only problem is there's never been an ogre hero in plastic, as far as I can remember.

Unless GW want to go and plasticize the Tyrant model, which I'm sure many wouldn't mind...

A Stonehorn and a pack of 4 Mournfangs a la the Eldar set wouldn't be a bad deal.

There'll be 2 Stonehorn hero options and 2 Thundertusk hero options in the Beastclaw Raiders Battletome, so I expect GW will simply re-purpose the existing bits from the Thundertusk/Stonehorn kit to make the heroes, something similar to what they did with the Flesh-eater Courts release. New warscrolls out of the existing models

pm713 wrote:

Rihgu wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm going to assume that the Beastclaw Raiders are just going to be repacks.

Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.

Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.

Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...

I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.

If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p

The problem with that is you're mixing factions (Gutbusters and Beastclaw Raiders). Have any of the 'Start Collecting!' boxes ever mixed factions before?

Not for Age of Sigmar as far as I know, but in 40k they had a mixed faction box.

I haven't noticed it. Which is that?

Skitarii includes a Techpriest Dominus; which is Cult Mechanicus.

The $180 flesh eaters box has a finecast model in it.

 Dr_Keenbean wrote:
The $180 flesh eaters box has a finecast model in it.

That's also not one of the new style SC! boxes.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk

Damn. I got excited for a second and thought I miss clicked on the AoS link and it went to Tyranids.

I thought Stonetusk said Stoncrusher for a sec.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm going to assume that the Beastclaw Raiders are just going to be repacks.

Hopefully they'll be repacks where we get more figures for a little bit of a cost increase.

Only getting a handful of Ogres always stung when everyone else gets piles and piles of figures for the same price.

Of course, I can actually get an Ogre army painted since I can count them all on my fingers, but still...

I wonder what a start collecting box of Ogres would look like? Since they all use the same body, it could be interesting what parts end up in there.

If I had to guess... A Tyrant, six Warriors, and a Stonetusk/Thundertusk. Its the only way to keep in line with the other boxes structures/pricing, without having a box with literally five models in it. :-p

Tyrants are finecast though so they wouldn't be in there.

I've been trying to get more Dryads and Treelords for my just started Sylvaneth army for a couple weeks now, though with the stage of where we're at, that Start Collecting box won't be out before the summer campaign ends, will it?

I'd consider the Star Collecting Orcs box if it had the cool Warboss in there.

Still waiting impatiently for a Tzeentch Start Collecting box.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd consider the Star Collecting Orcs box if it had the cool Warboss in there.

Still waiting impatiently for a Tzeentch Start Collecting box.

And a Slaanesh one.

My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!

I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Tempted by a single sylvan boxes and one flesheater court one to round out my two 180 boxes.

Good lord. I worked out that the $180 Flesh-Eater box set was around 1400 point, adding a second one and a Get Started box has to be pushing at least 3000 points. Are people actually playing AoS at that point level?

Sometimes you just want to make the table creak after deployment.

 mdauben wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Tempted by a single sylvan boxes and one flesheater court one to round out my two 180 boxes.

Good lord. I worked out that the $180 Flesh-Eater box set was around 1400 point, adding a second one and a Get Started box has to be pushing at least 3000 points. Are people actually playing AoS at that point level?

Yes. I played a 7hr mega battle at 8000pts (4k vs 4k Nurgle v SC/Sylv).

I thoroughly enjoyed it. Long yes - but time wasnt' wasted over rules but just moving that many models

I've finally succumbed to the Dark Side (aka AoS). It looks like the Sylvaneth and Flesh-Eater starter boxes are going to join my painting queue.

 Charles Rampant wrote:
My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!

One of the novels(I can't remember which; I had this described to me rather than reading it--my reading queue is big enough without adding a whole new series to it) for AoS actually talks about chariots and Undead in one of the Realms.

I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.

I would be surprised if it wasn't whenever Necromancers or Nagash get their own book.

 Charles Rampant wrote:
My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!

I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.

For what its worth, both are my "main" armies for AoS, and they really play best on their own. The temptation to mix is there, but outside of borrowing the Screaming Skull Catapult(s) w/Necotect from TK's, Flesh-Eaters thrive on stacking their own internal buffing. Trust me... a horde of 40 Ghouls in a single unit, with 2 Vargulf's and 2 Ghoul Courtiers, providing, essentially 4d6 replenishments to that unit per turn, is GROSS, but requires a lot of focus in list-building.

Likewise, TKs want their Settra general and as many other TK heroes as possible to max out the "everybody gets to command trait!" ability on Settra. Then you stack buffs on a big unit of Chariots and literally roll over most opponents. :-p

 Charles Rampant wrote:
My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!

I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.

My toughts are that ghouls, being from arabic folklore, works quite well in tandem with Khemri armies. Think of them as tomb-dwellers who feast on trespassers and worship the ancient kings. Paint them dark, earthy colors, base them with some desert-themed stuff, and I think you'd be great. Only issue are the big models such as the terrorgheist and such, but I think those can work as well. Do remember a Conan the Barbarian comic involving a city in the desert and a cult worshipping a giant demonic bat...

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Charles Rampant wrote:
My decision to not expand my Tomb Kings into Flesh Eater Courts is proving more difficult to maintain by the day. Must be strong! Must buy MOAR SKELETONS, and hold out hope for more boney goodness down the line!

One of the novels(I can't remember which; I had this described to me rather than reading it--my reading queue is big enough without adding a whole new series to it) for AoS actually talks about chariots and Undead in one of the Realms.

I rebased my Bone Giant recently. He's pretty small, these days. I wonder if 'undead monster' is a concept that we'll see expanded soon.

I would be surprised if it wasn't whenever Necromancers or Nagash get their own book.

There's also a pair of Necrosphinx in the Call of Archaon novel (explicitly called as such and everything). There is at least some hope that Tomb Kings are not gone for good.

If the tournament scene continues with the "pools" system in the UK then 3000 points is a standard tournament army (albeit with 2000 points deployed only each game).

 Bottle wrote:
If the tournament scene continues with the "pools" system in the UK then 3000 points is a standard tournament army (albeit with 2000 points deployed only each game).

I like that people are embracing what is essentially sideboards. It's a good way to run games and keep the meta a bit looser.

Bottle wrote:If the tournament scene continues with the "pools" system in the UK then 3000 points is a standard tournament army (albeit with 2000 points deployed only each game).

I've found the sideboard thing less entertaining in practice than I thought. It is kind of annoying to have to use a calculator during deployment! In the last tournament, I just pre-wrote three lists, put all the required models for them into the pool, then selected a list at semi-random before each game. It worked well, but I wouldn't feel that sad if we reverted to straight 2k lists.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:For what its worth, both are my "main" armies for AoS, and they really play best on their own. The temptation to mix is there, but outside of borrowing the Screaming Skull Catapult(s) w/Necotect from TK's, Flesh-Eaters thrive on stacking their own internal buffing. Trust me... a horde of 40 Ghouls in a single unit, with 2 Vargulf's and 2 Ghoul Courtiers, providing, essentially 4d6 replenishments to that unit per turn, is GROSS, but requires a lot of focus in list-building.

Likewise, TKs want their Settra general and as many other TK heroes as possible to max out the "everybody gets to command trait!" ability on Settra. Then you stack buffs on a big unit of Chariots and literally roll over most opponents. :-p

You've said what I already suspected. I can do exceptionally well in AoS with my Tombies, and there is very little in the rest of the Death range that would really improve them; Settra + Necropolis Knights + Necrotect + Catapult + Catapult is basically the perfect army core for me. I've experimented successfully with a Vampire Lord (their command ability stacks very well indeed with the Snakes), and I hear that Settra is gross with Spirit Hosts, but otherwise it is hard to argue with just sticking to the Tombies. This has been my problem thus far; I'd like to expand, but it is hard to know what to, as I am generally going to do better by just putting another Warsphinx or Liche Priest into the list. So I'd be needing to do a major investment to get enough of another force for the synergies to really start stacking, and nothing at the moment offers much of what I want, despite my desperate desire for (especially ranged) Rend -2 or better.

I am painting Nagash though, on the theory that he'll work well with EVERYTHING in Death, thanks to his command ability; if I do go for Flesheaters, I'll possibly try to keep them as a reasonably self-contained 2k list by themselves, with colour-match to the Tombies in case of mega-game carnage.

Kanluwen wrote:
One of the novels(I can't remember which; I had this described to me rather than reading it--my reading queue is big enough without adding a whole new series to it) for AoS actually talks about chariots and Undead in one of the Realms.

I would not be surprised at all if GW re-released the Tomb Kings with new Ushabti and Chariots dual-kit boxes, in a very stripped back range with the Tomb Guard, Warsphinx and Necropolis Knight kits. But I imagine that they'll also be looking to build demand for them, thus letting them lie fallow for a time, and also working on other interesting AoS concepts such as Goblin clans, human wizards, and chaos wackiness. 40k and now AoS have shown that GW are very good at taking a fantasy or sci-fi concept and expanding it out into a half-dozen units and a few associated characters. In hindsight, the Tempestus Scions was the first wave of this new method.

Kanluwen wrote:I would be surprised if it wasn't whenever Necromancers or Nagash get their own book.

Battletome: Deathlords does seem like something that we should expect. Nagash, Mortarchs, Morghasts, and something other big to go along with them. The 'I don't want to carry more than ten models' army.

Here is what I suspect will happen with Death. Soul blight(the vampire curse has as name now ) book will have neferata and mannfred as characters and the deadwalkers(what can you do with them to make them their own faction and unique? Plus GW are adding spell lores, command trait's etc. They serve better in being added to another faction their whole description in the grand alliance book is about them being used by vampires as their troops and wight kings sometimes swallowing their pride to use zombies.) and death mages(too small to be it's own book IMO) will fold into the book, since they are going with the Dracula feel here with soul blight. Necromancer servant's(they are like their Igor's like the old world), zombie fodder, the wolves etc(Wolves fit like a glove imo and bats). Hopefully an elite vampire infantry unit. Plus a plastic vampire leader and plastic blood knights.

Death Rattle will be their own thing with Arkhan in it and perhaps Krell as well. Since the Mortarch of despair is mentioned in the grand alliance book I think, perhaps with a few new models.

Death lords book the nighthaunts will fold into the book considering all the bundles with nagash has Nighthaunt models only and if you get the malignants starting box they recommend you to get nagash and Arkhan next. It will have each mortarch in there and perhaps a Mortarch formation wit nagash and some Morghasts.

Then MAYBE a new tomb kings book.

GW have mixed factions before like the flesh eater courts got beasts of the grave mixed into their rules. This is my prediction.

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but there are like 5 new start collecting boxes coming out next weekend I believe They may announce it this saturday.. Theres a ghoul, stormcast, khorne (with bloodcrushers ) and a few others

 Midnightdeathblade wrote:
I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but there are like 5 new start collecting boxes coming out next weekend I believe They may announce it this saturday.. Theres a ghoul, stormcast, khorne (with bloodcrushers ) and a few others

Already posted. Also Ironjawz and Sylvaneth.

Yep. The contents have been posted as well.