Star Trek: Discovery - Season 2 page 27

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**Stormonu**

Eh, on topic the trailer and release text hits all the wrong buttons. I've been waiting to see another Trek series, but the advances in Voyager and DS9 left me wondering where they could go. Wish this was set BETWEEN TOS and TNG, not Ent & TOS.

As far as existing Trek goes, my favorite has become Enterprise, so long as you ignore S3 (S4's stories, are, IMHO, the best). I have long abhored DS9 as "not Trek", though I recently forced myself to watch the whole series, so at least I'd be familiar with it (yeah, I'm a long-time Babylon 5 fan too, so there's also that). The only episodes I find I like from DS9 are the ones about the alien races, usually the Ferengi homeworld and Klingon episodes. That they constantly cut away from the ship battles during the episodes infuriates me, especially since I never really cared for any the characters - with maybe the exception of Dax, who they went and killed ala Tasha Yar, replacing her with an inferior actor. Oh, and Garak - love Garak.

**Manchu**

I like the red uniforms very much - but I think they probably look too "old fashioned" for producers, ruling out a good chunk of TOS to TNG. Let's please don't even think of returning to ST:TMP costumes - worst. space. pajamas. ever. (even compared to frumpy 80s-00s Trek, complete with male "skants").

**MeanGreenStompa**

Manchu wrote:
I like the red uniforms very much - but I think they probably look too "old fashioned" for producers, ruling out a good chunk of TOS to TNG. Let's please don't even think of returning to ST:TMP costumes - worst. space. pajamas. ever. (even compared to frumpy 80s-00s Trek, complete with male "skants").

But Saturday Night Fever Bones is best Bones ever.

**Formosa**

Stormonu wrote:
Eh, on topic the trailer and release text hits all the wrong buttons. I've been waiting to see another Trek series, but the advances in Voyager and DS9 left me wondering where they could go. Wish this was set BETWEEN TOS and TNG, not Ent & TOS.

As far as existing Trek goes, my favorite has become Enterprise, so long as you ignore S3 (S4's stories, are, IMHO, the best). I have long abhored DS9 as "not Trek", though I recently forced myself to watch the whole series, so at least I'd be familiar with it (yeah, I'm a long-time Babylon 5 fan too, so there's also that). The only episodes I find I like from DS9 are the ones about the alien races, usually the Ferengi homeworld and Klingon episodes. That they constantly cut away from the ship battles during the episodes infuriates me, especially since I never really cared for any the characters - with maybe the exception of Dax, who they went and killed ala Tasha Yar, replacing her with an inferior actor. Oh, and Garak - love Garak.

jesus H bob..... as soon as you said you liked enterprise your opinion became invalid lol

DS9 is the best series, then next gen, then voyager and TOS-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> enterprise

**insaniak**

Formosa wrote:

DS9 is the best series, then next gen, then voyager and TOS-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> enterprise

I would put Next Gen further down that list, frankly.

While I enjoyed the Next Gen-era movies, so much of the series was just painful.

But yeah, Enterprise I just couldn't get into at all... and that's from someone who has read most of the novels... and would still rather do that than watch Enterprise.

**reds8n**

http://io9.gizmodo.com/star-trek-discovery-has-been-delayed-until-may-2017-1786641176?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Star Trek: Discovery Has Been Delayed Until May 2017

Which is bad and upsetting news, but shouldn’t be particularly surprising news, since it’s September—four months before its original January premiere date—and we still haven’t heard of anyone being cast for this show yet.

So instead of hitting CBS All Access—already a questionable choice of venue for this show—in January, Discovery will now have four to five extra months to get ready to launch, according to the Wrap. And as much as we want more Star Trek right now, it makes total sense for this show to take more time. Executive producers Alex Kurtzman and Bryan Fuller’s statement on the delay reads in part:

We aim to dream big and deliver, and that means making sure the demands of physical and post-production for a show that takes place entirely in space, and the need to meet an air date, don’t result in compromised quality. Before heading into production, we evaluated these realities with our partners at CBS and they agreed: ‘Star Trek’ deserves the very best, and these extra few months will help us achieve a vision we can all be proud of.
Again, not a shock. Especially since this is a show that’s going to require a lot of effects—both practical and CGI—and has a showrunner who is also working on getting American Gods on TV.

On the one hand, everything we know about this show makes it clear that the January date was a bit of the pipe dream from the beginning. On the other hand, it’s still shocking that CBS didn’t get the ball rolling on this earlier to capitalize on Star Trek’s 50th anniversary year.

**MeanGreenStompa**

To be quite honest, I just want the post dominion wars Star Trek Section 31/special ops show that they wimped out of making in favor of going with Enterprise.

That would have been an amazing show, and allowed us to simultaneously scratch both the Trek and BSG itches with a darker, more mature program.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Sounds like this is in response to how the poor teaser effects were received.

**KamikazeCanuck**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Sounds like this is in response to how the poor teaser effects were received.

I suspect they were trying to do the show on the cheap with minimal casting. Just a gimmick to promote their new streaming service. Then they realized how many die-hard trekkies there are still out there and decided: oh, maybe we should actually try.

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Formosa wrote:
Stormonu wrote:
Eh, on topic the trailer and release text hits all the wrong buttons. I've been waiting to see another Trek series, but the advances in Voyager and DS9 left me wondering where they could go. Wish this was set BETWEEN TOS and TNG, not Ent & TOS.

As far as existing Trek goes, my favorite has become Enterprise, so long as you ignore S3 (S4's stories, are, IMHO, the best). I have long abhored DS9 as "not Trek", though I recently forced myself to watch the whole series, so at least I'd be familiar with it (yeah, I'm a long-time Babylon 5 fan too, so there's also that). The only episodes I find I like from DS9 are the ones about the alien races, usually the Ferengi homeworld and Klingon episodes. That they constantly cut away from the ship battles during the episodes infuriates me, especially since I never really cared for any the characters - with maybe the exception of Dax, who they went and killed ala Tasha Yar, replacing her with an inferior actor. Oh, and Garak - love Garak.

jesus H bob..... as soon as you said you liked enterprise your opinion became invalid lol

DS9 is the best series, then next gen, then voyager and TOS-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> enterprise

I think I would have to go with a tie between DS9/Next Gen, then Enterprise, TOS and finally Voyager. I respect TOS but honestly it's pretty hard to watch nowadays.

**Pacific**

Think it's going to be all about the characters, the story and the acting.

That last point - you forget what a bloody awesome bunch of actors they had with TNG (I think Patrick Stewart raised the bar for a lot of the cast, certainly from how it seemed, but also from what I have read about the making of the show), same too with Avery Brooks in DS9.

Also thought that was (part of) where Enterprise fell down, it was just lacking presence of characters.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I liked it...

Of course they had me with 'not the reboot'

Definitely!

**Asterios**

long and short of it, its about a joint group of Federation and Klingon officers working together, that's what I'm guessing.

**Pacific**

Has been delayed until May now apparently

**kronk**

Pacific wrote:
Has been delayed until May now apparently

With Game of Thrones having a much greater CGI budget for their Dragons next season, there is a shortage of the world's supply of pixels. There are only so many pixels to go around.

They should cancel whatever release Michael Bay has for next summer to ease up on the pixel consumption.

**reds8n**

http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/35892/new-star-trek-series-loses-showrunner

Bryan Fuller is leaving his role as showrunner on Star Trek: Discovery, according to Variety. The launch of the CBS online series was recently delayed to May 2017 from January, indicating problems in getting it done in time (see "'Star Trek: Discovery' Delayed"). Fuller’s departure is another sign that work on the series was not moving fast enough.

A statement released by CBS Studios referenced Fuller’s other commitments, which include overseeing American Gods for Starz (see "First Look at Starz' 'American Gods'"), and a new Amazing Stories anthology series for NBC. "We are extremely happy with the creative direction of Star Trek: Discovery and the strong foundation that Bryan Fuller has helped us create for the series," the studio statement said. "Due to Bryan’s other projects, he is no longer able to oversee the day-to-day of Star Trek, but he remains an executive producer, and will continue to map out the story arc for the entire season."

Fuller was apparently having trouble getting the scripts ready. A Deadline story from mid-September mentioned three completed scripts, while the Variety story referenced above mentioned two completed scripts, and a Deadline story from Wednesday says that Fuller “wrote the first episode and is working on two more.”

The lead, slated to be a female starship captain, has also not been cast, and with shooting scheduled to begin in Toronto next month, that’s a problem. And with a science fiction series, there’s got to be time for effects once shooting is complete. So far we’ve just seen one ship image from the new show (see "First Look at the New Starship from "Star Trek: Discovery'").

Showrunning duties will be handed off to Fuller deputies and Star Trek: Discovery exec producers Gretchen Berg and Aaron Harberts, who worked with Fuller on Pushing Daisies. But Fuller has the Star Trek background from his experience on Deep Space Nine and Voyager, and he will continue to break stories for the first season. Geek film and TV vet Akiva Goldsman is being brought in for producing support. Goldsman worked with exec producer Alex Kurtzman on Fringe.

CBS has a lot riding on the series, which is the flagship for its new streaming service, and there’s a lot of associated product, including comics from IDW Publishing (see "'Star Trek: Discovery' Comics Announced"), and likely games from one or more of the several Star Trek game licensees.

...hmmm..

rocky start to say the least.

**kronk**

"The lead, slated to be a female starship captain, has also not been cast, and with shooting scheduled to begin in Toronto next month, that’s a problem"

"Showrunning duties will be handed off to Fuller deputies..."

Is anyone steering this ship?

**BobtheInquisitor**

At this point, the iceberg is doing the steering.

**Gitzbitah**

It looks like the back was a reverse engineered Romulan escort.I'm intrigued.

**reds8n**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
At this point, the iceberg is doing the steering.

http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/36029/star-trek-discovery-may-boldly-embrace-nudity-profanity

During the latest episode of Recode Media with Peter Kafka, CBS Interactive CEO Jim Lanzone talked about CBS’s new digital streaming entry into the Star Trek universe, Star Trek: Discovery, and dropped a photon torpedo in the process: the show may include nudity and profanity.

The first episode of Star Trek: Discovery is set for broadcast TV, but once it moves to CBS All Access, CBS’s digital platform, FCC broadcast rules no longer apply. When Kafka asked about the possibility of swearing and nudity in the series, Lanzone recalled, "The showrunners were like ‘Oh yeah, we could do that. And of course, the response is, ‘As long as it serves the story.’ But yeah!'

If Star Trek: Discovery features profanity, it wouldn’t be the first time for Star Trek, as some of the feature movies included mild instances of bad language, usually for comedic effect. However, nudity is unexplored territory for Star Trek.

CBS is relying heavily on the popularity of Star Trek to boost their streaming service, which already has one million subscribers, but the show has had a turbulent development period. The series debut was delayed from January 2017 to May 2017 (see ''Star Trek: Discovery' Delayed'). In late October, showrunner Bryan Fuller left amid reports that series development was not proceeding quickly enough (see 'New 'Star Trek' Series Loses Showrunner").

Further complicating matters is a lack of female lead. The show centers on a female starship captain, but CBS has yet to find an actress for the role. This could prove a stumbling block for a special effects–heavy show set to debut in six months, as the studio will need time to incorporate effects.

If the show does ultimately suffer another delay, Star Trek fans may be able to console themselves with comics. IDW has announced comic book tie ins for the series (see "'Star Trek: Discovery' Comics, Book Announced") and a Star Trek / Aliens crossover event with Dark Horse Comics (see "The Enterprise Takes on Xenomorphs") for spring 2017.

And, of course, there’s the extensive range of Star Trek games from multiple publishers, including the latest, GF9’s Star Trek Ascendancy (see "Two Player Expansions for 'Star Trek Ascendancy'").

... hmmm..

bodes well eh ?

**Ratius**

Cmon who dosent like boobies!

**Tannhauser42**

Ratius wrote:
Cmon who dosent like boobies!

We saw Kirk's all the time in TOS, so it's not like it's anything new.

And "double dumbass on you" is still one of my favorite Star Trek lines.

**gorgon**

Oh, I'm sure the zealots are going to freak out over that news.

Of course, mild profanity and a little skin handled the right way would make the characters seem more like people we can identify with, instead of beings living strangely chaste and sterile existences.

I'm aware there are those who would prefer their ST characters in the latter category.

**kronk**

If you're bee-bopping around space for years at a time with other young, fit cadets on a mixed sex space ship, there is going to be some hanky panky where some bodies start slapping like they got paid to do the wild thing.

**Ratius**

If you're bee-bopping around space for years at a time with other young, fit cadets on a mixed sex space ship, there is going to be some hanky panky where some bodies start slapping like they got paid to do the wild thing.

The entirety of Rikers TNG sub plot?

**Yodhrin**

gorgon wrote:
Oh, I'm sure the zealots are going to freak out over that news.

Of course, mild profanity and a little skin handled the right way would make the characters seem more like people we can identify with, instead of beings living strangely chaste and sterile existences.

I'm aware there are those who would prefer their ST characters in the latter category.

What Star Trek were you watching? I mean, sure, there were no inexplicable ten minute long brothel scenes with dozens of naked extras writhing in the background, but that an evening viewing largely family-friendly show implied the physical part of relationships rather than just having Riker and Troi start fething on the tactical console is a strange definition of "strangely chaste and sterile".

Hell, one of the ST races literally goes sex-mad every seven years.

People seem keen to give ST a lot of gak for constraints that were far more a product of FCC/BBC rules than the choice of the folk making the show - by all accounts some of the stuff Rodenberry was prevented from doing by the rest of the writing/production team or by the networks was downright pornographic, the guy was basically a rampant hippie afterall.

**AduroT**

One of the first episodes of Enterprise where they're oiling each other down in quarantine. I just wonder if we'll only see humans or aliens with genitles identical to humans naked, or if we'll get to see some really weird stuff down there.

**LordofHats**

AduroT wrote:

Spoiler:

Okay that is hilarious XD

**AegisGrimm**

To be fair, in one of the early TNG episodes Picard and Data blew a guy in half with their phasers (well, more like he melted Raiders of the Lost Ark style), and then blew up an alien parasite that climbs out from between his blown-open ribs.

**Yodhrin**

Yup, and I recall reading an account, albeit unverified, that the audience were initially going to be left without any doubt as to Data's anatomical correctness before some of the other writers and a network guy managed to talk Gene off that particular ledge

TNG wasn't the BSG reboot or anything, but it was shown around tea time in the 80's and early 90's, so it doesn't deserve a lot of the criticism it gets for being too "safe" or sanitised.

**Tannhauser42**

Yodhrin wrote:
Yup, and I recall reading an account, albeit unverified, that the audience were initially going to be left without any doubt as to Data's anatomical correctness before some of the other writers and a network guy managed to talk Gene off that particular ledge

Except, we still got that with the TNG homage-to-TOS episode The Naked Now.

Spoiler:

**Yodhrin**

Tannhauser42 wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
Yup, and I recall reading an account, albeit unverified, that the audience were initially going to be left without any doubt as to Data's anatomical correctness before some of the other writers and a network guy managed to talk Gene off that particular ledge

Except, we still got that with the TNG homage-to-TOS episode The Naked Now.

Spoiler:

I think Gene had something rather more pornographic in mind.