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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
What are the frag cannon stats?

Mean.
S6 AP- Assault 2 Rending Template OR
S7 AP3 Assault 2 24" OR
S9 AP2 Assault 2 12"

And don't forget, they only cost 25 points each. They are much more useful than a Lascannon but cost the same.

Back in my days Grav guns were so rare my player had only 10 shots for his gun through the entire 1.5 year campaign with no way to reload.

Now Grav guns are a dime a dozen and the power creep goes on. Hahah. My players are jealous of the spoiled marines of today.

Back in my day, we didn't have guns. My players had to play through the entire campaign hitting everything with sticks.

Hahahahaa
You had sticks?? U lucky sod you. We dreamed of sticks

Back in my day we didn't even have dice! Had to make up numbers and trust we weren't cheating. It drove more men mad than I can remember.

I wonder what odds are that there will be WD missions for Deathwatch Overkill that include models from this release? Both forces infiltrate a GSK-infested mine only to get caught up killing each other as well.

I like the idea of everything can have a special weapon as long as you pay the points. Makes customization a lot more fun.

Unfortunately we all remember SCATBIKES. I really hope people don't all jump ship to this army just to cheese it up.

Who am I kidding this is inevitable......

Awaiting the frag cannon spam lists to cheese and bore the army out....

 Mantle wrote:
Awaiting the frag cannon spam lists to cheese and bore the army out....

Meh. They aren't THAT great. And they aren't going to be that easy to come by since they are only one per Veteran box.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
What are the frag cannon stats?

Mean.
S6 AP- Assault 2 Rending Template OR
S7 AP3 Assault 2 24" OR
S9 AP2 Assault 2 12"

I don't understand why this frag cannon is so much different than the BA frag cannon? Did they need a weapon that can do virtually everything?? Terrible internal balance.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
Awaiting the frag cannon spam lists to cheese and bore the army out....

Meh. They aren't THAT great. And they aren't going to be that easy to come by since they are only one per Veteran box.

I suspect there's gonna be a lot of volkite culverin's being used as counts-as frag cannons.

Alendrel wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
Awaiting the frag cannon spam lists to cheese and bore the army out....

Meh. They aren't THAT great. And they aren't going to be that easy to come by since they are only one per Veteran box.

I suspect there's gonna be a lot of volkite culverin's being used as counts-as frag cannons.

They don't even look remotely similar. I am thinking people will be modifying heavy bolters to have a big barrel at the end instead.

I mean, I guess you could take five dudes with four frag launchers in a pod as all of your troops, but will you put in the work/money for it? :p

 Crazyterran wrote:
I mean, I guess you could take five dudes with four frag launchers in a pod as all of your troops, but will you put in the work/money for it? :p

And even then, would they really be all that effective? I guess if you stuck a Blackshield with a Heavy Thunderhammer with each squad you could probably beat some stuff down. I fully intend to make at least one squad of four Frag Cannons and a HTH Blackshield, but I am not making multiples of that squad.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Alendrel wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
Awaiting the frag cannon spam lists to cheese and bore the army out....

Meh. They aren't THAT great. And they aren't going to be that easy to come by since they are only one per Veteran box.

I suspect there's gonna be a lot of volkite culverin's being used as counts-as frag cannons.

They don't even look remotely similar. I am thinking people will be modifying heavy bolters to have a big barrel at the end instead.

The volkite's look like weird tech, look cool, and aren't easily mistaken for other 40K era weapons.

Thing with deathwatch is that they will be amazing....unless you face interceptor tau and have to either hope you dont face it, or make plans for it.

So all of these points for upgrades seem pretty awesome but you need to take into account all of these possibilities.

Maybe just me having a logic fail but if you compare the contents of the deathwatch side to the sprue pics then it doesn't add up. The assembly instructions show all the models using the deathwatch shoulderpad, part 81, and part 01. I can see 81 on the veterans sprue but not 01. Maybe the upgrade sprue is literally shoulderpads?

There is apparently a load of deathwatch standard pads without the cut out to make space for the elbow plate and two terminator pads as well as a few heads, =I= icons and possibly a dreadnought plate although it could just be the icon that goes on the plate

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
Maybe just me having a logic fail but if you compare the contents of the deathwatch side to the sprue pics then it doesn't add up. The assembly instructions show all the models using the deathwatch shoulderpad, part 81, and part 01. I can see 81 on the veterans sprue but not 01. Maybe the upgrade sprue is literally shoulderpads?

As Mantle says below, there is a separate sprue that has 10 DW Shoulder Pauldrons (these have a flat bottom instead of the rounded out part like the ones on the DW Veteran Squad sprue, as they aren't designed to fit around the elbow icon), 2 DW Terminator Pauldrons, and three =][= icons for vehicles.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
Awaiting the frag cannon spam lists to cheese and bore the army out....

Meh. They aren't THAT great. And they aren't going to be that easy to come by since they are only one per Veteran box.

That's what press molds or Polish 3rd party bitz manufacturers are for.

Time to mail order some of the Imperial Fist guy from DW overkill, too! :p

 Crazyterran wrote:
Time to mail order some of the Imperial Fist guy from DW overkill, too! :p

That is certainly an option. I bet he starts disappearing from eBay really quick. He will be one of my Frag Cannon Veterans for sure though.

Due to crappy canadian shipping more and more shipping companies are slowly not taking money, debit cards, credit cards, or even cheques. I have to open up an online payment system with each and every single delivery company in Canada now apparently. Which is simply slowed. They even want me to set up automatic payments.

For 24 dollar shipping fee and the Canadian tax on importing goods.

-_-

feth no.

So ordering anything into Canada is now fething impossible apparently.

USA please annex this pitiful as feth country and get us some sane shipping options. Please. Put it out of its misery please. I feel genuinely bad at living in this country and embarrassed. A country where the criminal breaking into your home has more rights than you do to defend yourself and there is a good chance you'll be charged for injuring him getting him out of your home. :(

...I just bought an imperial fist guy off eBay here for 10 bucks, including shipping.

What websites are you using? Lol.

 Crazyterran wrote:
...I just bought an imperial fist guy off eBay here for 10 bucks, including shipping.

What websites are you using? Lol.

Canadian ebay usually and Forge World.

FedEx was the delivery company. I've opened a dispute with Paypal basically saying they won't deliver it and offer no sane options for payment. I also forget the other company but can look up the receipt. I'm now worried ordering something online is going to make me have to do that random crap. It's got to be the most inconvenient thing I've ever seen in my life. My last two deliveries have had both pants on head slowed levels of strict payment requirements. I wonder if being in one of the 8 crappiest Canadian cities and Ontario has something to do with it?

 Gamgee wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
...I just bought an imperial fist guy off eBay here for 10 bucks, including shipping.

What websites are you using? Lol.

Canadian ebay usually and Forge World.

FedEx was the delivery company.

I just ordered over 500 dollars worth of FW the other day, got free express shipping, and didn't have to pay UPS anything. I've only been nailed by customs once, when I ordered the Imperial Armour 2: Second Edition. (Apparently customs loves to nail books)

I regularly buy things off eBay, from Xwing to things like Cassius and Donatus from DWO.

Are you not sorting by lowest price+shipping?

Delivery guys don't take Cash anymore, don't you have a debit/credit card? Do they have some of your stuff held hostage or something? And why not just deal with their dumb system?

I've never had to not pay customs and I've been making regular online purchases for at least a decade or more.

I have a debit card and the ones I happened to get didn't take it!

Edit
My latest order is in a warehouse in town not being delivered until I make an online account to pay them by online banking which for some reason might take up to a week on their end. Why the hell is this happening to me!? Except to make my online account I have to call them by phone! Or send them a letter by Canada post which I think is on strike or is it? At any rate it means even more weeks just to make my online account.

 Crazyterran wrote:
...I just bought an imperial fist guy off eBay here for 10 bucks, including shipping.

What websites are you using? Lol.

That is not bad at all. I kinda want to order a couple of him and then alter them to be visibly different. Might be a lot cheaper than ordering two more Veteran Squad kits.

 Gamgee wrote:
I've never had to not pay customs and I've been making regular online purchases for at least a decade or more.

I have a debit card and the ones I happened to get didn't take it!

Did you piss off some CBSAs or something? I've only ever gotten dinged on books, I've ordered tons of other things and have gotten them through without any additional payments. I don't even list them as gifts.

Man, normally they'd take a debit card at least. No credit card I guess? Figure a big company like FedEx would take PayPal, or even, God forbid, a cheque.

Maybe they just look at your Tau, think it's a gundam, and ding you extra. :p

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
...I just bought an imperial fist guy off eBay here for 10 bucks, including shipping.

What websites are you using? Lol.

That is not bad at all. I kinda want to order a couple of him and then alter them to be visibly different. Might be a lot cheaper than ordering two more Veteran Squad kits.

The easiest thing to do would be to cut off the stupid servo skull. Then you have Imp Fists, Crimson Fists, and I'm sure there are more fists.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Time to mail order some of the Imperial Fist guy from DW overkill, too! :p

I just ordered two...