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I'm not ordering Tau its a dremel to magnetize my Tau'nar. And its 120 sitting in limbo.

:(

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I'm a quasi-hermit. Unless the last time I traveled to the states for black sabbath I really pissed off one of them for simply looking out the window of the truck I doubt it.

Ah, I could see them dinging tools. Now that I think about it, I should check Amazon.ca to see if they have any decently priced dremels...

I want my damn money back and I'll drive to the friggen tool store myself and get one at this rate it will be faster and cheaper.

This is the country trying to outlaw colored spray paint. I feel bad making fun of Canada. Like it's like I'm talking about that one slowed kid and I hate it. Our country got so dumb somewhere along the line. :(

Crazyterran wrote:The easiest thing to do would be to cut off the stupid servo skull. Then you have Imp Fists, Crimson Fists, and I'm sure there are more fists.

Naw, I want them to be from a few different Chapters and not just Imperial Fists. Plus, I could make use of those Imperial Fists shoulder pauldrons for my Crimson Fists.

Crimson wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Time to mail order some of the Imperial Fist guy from DW overkill, too! :p

I just ordered two...

No wonder I can't find anymore except pricy ones!

When my house was broken into. I had to ask the cops why they didn't dust for prints. They said they should and then left and never came back.... after a 24 hour response time to the break in. A diffent cop came by the next day and asked if they did and said that was weird they didn't. He also didn't dust for prints. Then whey they caught the thief she got off for being a Councillors daughter ans has been caught a dozen times and gotten off every timer on the reserve or in town.

I'm starting to get the feeling Canada is starting to fall apart.

I can't even make this gak up.

 Gamgee wrote:

This is the country trying to outlaw colored spray paint

Sorry to veer off topic here: Err... Why?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

This is the country trying to outlaw colored spray paint

Sorry to veer off topic here: Err... Why?

I couldn't possibly tell you. Graffiti? Maybe? Hahah. :(

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When I talked to the officer and asked what he would have done with a break in at night he said he had no idea but it wouldn't go well for the other person and would use any means to stop them since he has four people in his house. When I asked if its a good idea to get a knife for self defense he implied a big no... so defense is only for the police? I'm confused.

Don't know why some here will limit their army list to the options that are "cheap" model wise because there is only one weapon on the sprue.

As a long time SW player GW never offerd me the option to get the weapons I need without expensive boxes or to go to bits sellers.
Of course with SW it was easier because one Box Grey Hunters and a Box Marines got you 20 Wolves with better weapon options.

DW now have all new weapons which is a problem.
I mean I have enough of old stuff here to get a DW army without buying anything except for the new weapons.
But, puppetswar and anvilindustries have some nice kits of special Bolters, heavy weapons and fency "Black OPS" armour that fits perfect to the DW.

If I need to "spam" one weapon type I buy them there and don't bother that GW only add one to each Box.


Another Idea I had yesterday was to use Mantic Enforcer and add the DW shoulder pads (or full arms if I can get enough) to make true scale Death Watch.
I have enough of Marines that starting a new would need to be something different to be worth it.

I was kind of hoping GW would take a lesson from the Tau release when they started putting more guns on the sprues.

Alas it seems the Marine premium on weapons will continue.

Back to the actual topic please.

Tragic as the above stories are.


Thank you !

So...ummm...how about them Deathwatch?

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Seriously, I hope someone leaks the Deathwatch formation and whatnot from Death Masque. I am curious if there are similar rules to what was done for the Harlequins where the different special units can count as their base unit for formations. This would be especially useful for Watch Captain Artemis. I would greatly appreciate an image like the one shown for the Harlequins, but of the Deathwatch.

Fluff questions:

Do we know any more now about what the Eldar plans are?

What is the fluff for the given Harlequin formations?

Hmm... Interesting thing in the rules that don't add up for me...

One of the kill team is composed of a squad of veterans (so 5 models...) and a squad of vanguard veterans (so another 5 models...) plus any number of termies, libies, etc... and it has a maximum size of ten models...

So you can't add anything to the two squads of veterans, or am I missing something?

min size for termies is 1, and a max of 5.

 Wolfblade wrote:
min size for termies is 1, and a max of 5.

Same goes for all of the other secondary kill teams like Bikes and Vanguards.

I like that you can then fit 4 libbies in one squad as a formation

Might not be libby conclave levels of power, but it's an easy way to get a bunch of psykers on the field, and assuming they get SM specific powers from AoD (iirc), could have fun times, even if it's incredibly unfluffy/unrealistic. On the other hand, one or two per squad of 10 doesn't seem incredibly unrealistic to fight the xeno psyker threat (esp vs eldar) fluff wise.

 ChaosDad wrote:
Hmm... Interesting thing in the rules that don't add up for me...

One of the kill team is composed of a squad of veterans (so 5 models...) and a squad of vanguard veterans (so another 5 models...) plus any number of termies, libies, etc... and it has a maximum size of ten models...

So you can't add anything to the two squads of veterans, or am I missing something?

Vets are 5-10 models but the rest of the units are 1-5 unit size

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 ChaosDad wrote:
Hmm... Interesting thing in the rules that don't add up for me...

One of the kill team is composed of a squad of veterans (so 5 models...) and a squad of vanguard veterans (so another 5 models...) plus any number of termies, libies, etc... and it has a maximum size of ten models...

So you can't add anything to the two squads of veterans, or am I missing something?

Vets are 5-10 models but the rest of the units are 1-5 unit size

Ok, so two squads of veterans (one normal squad and a squad of vanguard...) is already the 10 models maximum of the formation, right?

no, vanguard vets are 1-5

 Kirasu wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
What are the frag cannon stats?

Mean.
S6 AP- Assault 2 Rending Template OR
S7 AP3 Assault 2 24" OR
S9 AP2 Assault 2 12"

I don't understand why this frag cannon is so much different than the BA frag cannon? Did they need a weapon that can do virtually everything?? Terrible internal balance.

There's only so much room on the sprue and no one would be too excited by a DW Melta or DW Las cannon. So a new omni gun both saves space on the sprue and drives sales.

Ragnar69 wrote:
no, vanguard vets are 1-5

They are? Where does that come from? All I see in the rules in the first post is "Vanguard Veternas: No visible changes", and so when I look at the Space Marine codex I see that vanguard vets are a squad of five... I feel that I'm missing something... I had seen that the termies were minimum unit size of 1 (which I find really nice...), but not the vanguard vets thing...

 ChaosDad wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 ChaosDad wrote:
Hmm... Interesting thing in the rules that don't add up for me...

One of the kill team is composed of a squad of veterans (so 5 models...) and a squad of vanguard veterans (so another 5 models...) plus any number of termies, libies, etc... and it has a maximum size of ten models...

So you can't add anything to the two squads of veterans, or am I missing something?

Vets are 5-10 models but the rest of the units are 1-5 unit size

Ok, so two squads of veterans (one normal squad and a squad of vanguard...) is already the 10 models maximum of the formation, right?

You don't need to take a full 5-man Squad of Vanguard Veterans. You could use a single Vanguard Veteran if you want. Their squad size is 1-5 Veterans (unlike the Codex Space Marines version that is 5-10).

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
What are the frag cannon stats?

Mean.
S6 AP- Assault 2 Rending Template OR
S7 AP3 Assault 2 24" OR
S9 AP2 Assault 2 12"

I don't understand why this frag cannon is so much different than the BA frag cannon? Did they need a weapon that can do virtually everything?? Terrible internal balance.

There's only so much room on the sprue and no one would be too excited by a DW Melta or DW Las cannon. So a new omni gun both saves space on the sprue and drives sales.

Special ammo is an obvious reason to me. I mean one could also complain that every space marine doesn't have access to special ammo as well. My guess is the DW developed a special solid round for the frag canon out of necessity over some xenos threat.

Got it! thanks guys for the explanations!

I'm deffinitely getting at least of box of these guys...

So, I was looking at the sprues and I noticed it only contains 5 Deathwatch shoulder pads and the box says it come with 5 Deathwatch Veterans and 1 upgrade frame. Are talking about the same frame or does the box come with 2 upgrade fames?

 EmperorsChampion wrote:
So, I was looking at the sprues and I noticed it only contains 5 Deathwatch shoulder pads and the box says it come with 5 Deathwatch Veterans and 1 upgrade frame. Are talking about the same frame or does the box come with 2 upgrade fames?

The sprue pic you're talking about isn't an upgrade sprue - that's one of the two sprues for the deathwing veterans set.

There is another sprue for upgrading other kits that we haven't seen a pic of yet.

Death Watch Veterans is a 5 man squad similar to the sternguard.

The upgrade kit is 10 deathwatch pads, 2 termi pads, and various bits and bobs(similar to the chapter upgrade sprues)

Ah, thanks! I was looking at the sprues on the site and I didn't see it. I wonder if they are going to be selling that on its own like those clam shell sets they sell for Ultras and such.

That's certainly the implication - it lets you convert other box sets (like the vanguards)

The whole mixed squads thing is bloody weird and a bit silly. Terminators and PA marines in the same squad, sure. But bikes and jump packs with footsloggers? That just doesn't make any sense.