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 Scott-S6 wrote:

 EmperorsChampion wrote:
So, I was looking at the sprues and I noticed it only contains 5 Deathwatch shoulder pads and the box says it come with 5 Deathwatch Veterans and 1 upgrade frame. Are talking about the same frame or does the box come with 2 upgrade fames?

The sprue pic you're talking about isn't an upgrade sprue - that's one of the two sprues for the deathwing veterans set.

There is another sprue for upgrading other kits that we haven't seen a pic of yet.

Yeah, this sprue is what I'm waiting to see.

Dont underestimate the additional mobility within a squad.

Being able to have one model move 12+ in a turn to the other side of the squad for charging a specific target, countering the loss of models on one side, etc. They also have some different universal rules like skilled rider and split fire from the bikers, cheaper power weapons for the vanguard than on veterans, so on and so forth.

While not typically it presents more tactical options in real time as you are playing the game. Something that I am a very strong fan of.

Personally being able to prevent staying locked after beating a marine unit in combat is gonna be so nice with the terminators.

So will you be able to run solo Vangaurd sergeants with the heavy thunderhammers?
If so, can you make the Vanguards black shield dudes for the extra attacks when outnumbered?

Yes, you could take squads of 1 vanguard guys, not sure about the black shield thing though. I could see DW doing some massive MSU tactics that would put a gladius to shame.

This is about the only area that Unbound would be silly then. Imagine an army of almost nothing but Assault Cannon Terminators! One man squad Terminators!

 Wolfblade wrote:
Yes, you could take squads of 1 vanguard guys, not sure about the black shield thing though. I could see DW doing some massive MSU tactics that would put a gladius to shame.

Yeah, the hard part there is that they cant do it as much with OS.

However even without upgrades the standard veteran squad at 110 points is pretty versatile and can complete many things without upgrades. You can work in a few but most of the time they wont need much.

One of the nice things that the deathwatch allow you to do is basically create units with completely specialized roles(think eldar aspect warriors). They are a focused and can be sent after a specific target. Combine this with deep strikes, liberal availability of psychic powers(via librarians) etc. and versatile chapter tactics you can have a turn by turn adaptable plan of action "Goal this turn is remove X targets" next turn I will target Y targets. So on and so forth.

So how excited are bits sellers for this release?

Do you guys think those are Land Raider doors on those Blackstar gunships? If so that will make it nice and easy to use it with other armies.

They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

lots of nice bits for inquisitors, just wish they got a proper release of their own.

Anyone else think it's odd the hq doesn't have EW?

 Leth wrote:
They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

This one?

 Leth wrote:
They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

Was looking at the LR pics in the first post for the doors and I noticed a bit of a blooper. In the DW vs Wraithguard photo the LR behind the Dread is missing its sponsen

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Leth wrote:
They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

Was looking at the LR pics in the first post for the doors and I noticed a bit of a blooper. In the DW vs Wraithguard photo the LR behind the Dread is missing its sponsen

If you look at all of the pics with that LR included, they all either have it in the background, with that sponson mount obscured by something in the foreground, are shot of the other side of the hull, or have the LR up close to the camera and only the front ramp area is visible. Seems like the studio LR either broke, or was incorrectly assembled, or something similar, but they still wanted it for the photo shoots.


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shade1313 wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Leth wrote:
They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

Was looking at the LR pics in the first post for the doors and I noticed a bit of a blooper. In the DW vs Wraithguard photo the LR behind the Dread is missing its sponsen

If you look at all of the pics with that LR included, they all either have it in the background, with that sponson mount obscured by something in the foreground, are shots of the other side of the hull, or have the LR up close to the camera and only the front ramp area is visible. Seems like the studio LR either broke, or was incorrectly assembled, or something similar, but they still wanted it for the photo shoots.

Willpower test failed, set bought! The DW guys from Overkill were some of the most fun minis I've painted recently, so I couldn't resist the chance to add a few more... not sure what I'll do with the Harlies yet; Eldrad, the DJ and the bikes I'll keep for sure, the Troupes and transport I might end up selling on.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Leth wrote:
They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

Was looking at the LR pics in the first post for the doors and I noticed a bit of a blooper. In the DW vs Wraithguard photo the LR behind the Dread is missing its sponsen

That's because the land raider behind the dread is a razorback

 Mantle wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Leth wrote:
They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

Was looking at the LR pics in the first post for the doors and I noticed a bit of a blooper. In the DW vs Wraithguard photo the LR behind the Dread is missing its sponsen

That's because the land raider behind the dread is a razorback

I think he refers to vechile sporting assault cannon and multi melta. Don't think razorback carries both of those...

 Mantle wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Leth wrote:
They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

Was looking at the LR pics in the first post for the doors and I noticed a bit of a blooper. In the DW vs Wraithguard photo the LR behind the Dread is missing its sponsen

That's because the land raider behind the dread is a razorback

Funny looking Razorback...

That many Wraithguard... Those are some soon to be dead Deathwatch marines

*sigh* I wonder what it's like when your biggest complaint about a plastic kit is that it only contains 1x of each heavy weapon option said unit can take...

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Scott-S6 wrote:

 EmperorsChampion wrote:
So, I was looking at the sprues and I noticed it only contains 5 Deathwatch shoulder pads and the box says it come with 5 Deathwatch Veterans and 1 upgrade frame. Are talking about the same frame or does the box come with 2 upgrade fames?

The sprue pic you're talking about isn't an upgrade sprue - that's one of the two sprues for the deathwing veterans set.

There is another sprue for upgrading other kits that we haven't seen a pic of yet.

Yeah, this sprue is what I'm waiting to see.

Its actually stopped me from buying a box because I want to know whats on it.

StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds wrote:
That many Wraithguard... Those are some soon to be dead Deathwatch marines

Well depends who gets first turn or are those the flamer guys? If it's DW it's wraithguard in CC. Wraithguard are wimpies in CC

I like the way they put the unit together, though. Three assault cannon armed Terminators, all theoretically the same in terms of army building, but one is a plain-jane Ultramarine Terminator, one is Wolf Guard, and one is Deathwing. Neat.

Do we know yet if the left arms and weapon arms on the Deathwatch Veterans and/or the Deathwatch Upgrade Sprue have scripture (sorry I don't know the lore) on them, beyond the shoulder pad?

The only reason I ask is Watch Captain Artemis clearly does, and if they do then I'd want to make sure all my Deathwatch do, as in only using these bits and not generic kit bits?

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shade1313 wrote:
I like the way they put the unit together, though. Three assault cannon armed Terminators, all theoretically the same in terms of army building, but one is a plain-jane Ultramarine Terminator, one is Wolf Guard, and one is Deathwing. Neat.

I'll admit I'm now dangerously close to spending an absolute fortune on Bits to make Terminator Squads out of the Blood Angel, Dark Angel, Space Wolves kits, and the same for Veterans... like if I'm going to have a Deathwatch element I want it done properly...

migooo wrote:
Its actually stopped me from buying a box because I want to know whats on it.

Iuchiban wrote:
There is one tiny sprue with Deathwatch shoulder pads (12x), 1 power sword, 2 Helmets and 3x Inquisition symbols. There your have your Deathguard upgrade sprue.

He comments later that two of the shoulder pads are termie pads.

 Scott-S6 wrote:

migooo wrote:
Its actually stopped me from buying a box because I want to know whats on it.

Iuchiban wrote:
There is one tiny sprue with Deathwatch shoulder pads (12x), 1 power sword, 2 Helmets and 3x Inquisition symbols. There your have your Deathguard upgrade sprue.

He comments later that two of the shoulder pads are termie pads.

cheers. i was expecting something like the BT upgrade one. ill get a box for a kill team

 Scott-S6 wrote:

migooo wrote:
Its actually stopped me from buying a box because I want to know whats on it.

Iuchiban wrote:
There is one tiny sprue with Deathwatch shoulder pads (12x), 1 power sword, 2 Helmets and 3x Inquisition symbols. There your have your Deathguard upgrade sprue.

He comments later that two of the shoulder pads are termie pads.

That makes sense, 10x PA and 2x TDA. Assumedly the Power Sword gives you the irregular arm to make one of the Veterans into a Black Shield upgrade too? I wonder how much the Sprue will run by itself...

 WallaceMerrett wrote:
Do we know yet if the left arms and weapon arms on the Deathwatch Veterans and/or the Deathwatch Upgrade Sprue have scripture (sorry I don't know the lore) on them, beyond the shoulder pad?

The only reason I ask is Watch Captain Artemis clearly does, and if they do then I'd want to make sure all my Deathwatch do, as in only using these bits and not generic kit bits?

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shade1313 wrote:
I like the way they put the unit together, though. Three assault cannon armed Terminators, all theoretically the same in terms of army building, but one is a plain-jane Ultramarine Terminator, one is Wolf Guard, and one is Deathwing. Neat.

I'll admit I'm now dangerously close to spending an absolute fortune on Bits to make Terminator Squads out of the Blood Angel, Dark Angel, Space Wolves kits, and the same for Veterans... like if I'm going to have a Deathwatch element I want it done properly...

Yep, that sound is my wallet screaming, combined with the cheering of bits sellers.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

 Mantle wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Leth wrote:
They also showed an INQ door on one of the land raiders that did not look like the FW ones. I have the feeling that there is going to be an INQ vehicle sprue.

Was looking at the LR pics in the first post for the doors and I noticed a bit of a blooper. In the DW vs Wraithguard photo the LR behind the Dread is missing its sponsen

That's because the land raider behind the dread is a razorback

Funny looking Razorback...

I was looking at the picture with the wraith blades sorry haha coming from the opposite angle

I wonder, is there anything preventing a Blackshield from taking a Storm Shield alongside his giant Hammer? Because that dude will be expensive but lay waste to anything in his way, especially if you get him invisible. I am thinking that upgrading every Kill Team to have a Blackshield will be a fun tactic.

shade1313 wrote:

Yep, that sound is my wallet screaming, combined with the cheering of bits sellers.

Tell me about it. I'm already planning on buying four different termie boxes (not because I want 20, because I want the variety) and several FW pad sets.