Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Would it be too much heresy to add Cataphractii terminator armor to the bunch? Not for rules, but is there any lore of the DW using it? If so, which chapters would most likely make use of it?

Now that the new has worn off some, I think this codex and the veteran box were either not built for each other or they made changes before final print. There is a lot of oddities.

And to model these guys and use the cool left arms...you may have to give some power swords, which is a complete gak weapon per point with the options they have.

I'm not sure if this has been talked about yet, but there is a piece of Relic Wargear that is called the Beacon Angelis. Once per game you can teleport any unit to within 6 inches of the bearer without scatter.

Now, this doesn't say INFANTRY unit, only UNIT. So, hypothetically, that means you can teleport that unit of dreadnoughts, a landraider, or even a Corvus Blackstar. That looks like it could have some nasty implications. I know Dreadnoughts are a bit lackluster, but having a pretty good way to move them across the board unexpected and precisely where you want them makes them a little better. Have a mob of Ork Boys going to gang up on your small squad? Teleport over a LandRaider Crusader and disembark a unit of guys with heavy flamers. I know it would be extremely situational, but even teleporting the Corvus could be nice so it doesn't fly off the table, or so it can line up for the perfect shot.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 conker249 wrote:
Would it be too much heresy to add Cataphractii terminator armor to the bunch? Not for rules, but is there any lore of the DW using it? If so, which chapters would most likely make use of it?

The Dark Angels have the most sets of terminator armor, and the most old-school tech hidden away. Although there isn't specific mention of them having it I'd say there is a good chance they do.

 Hanskrampf wrote:

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
I have the Death Masque boxed set in hand...lovely stuff. The Kill Team sprue is chock a block of bits, just so much stuff and so many possibilities. But am definitely going to wait a while before kitting out my Kill Team just to not have to rip any of the miniatures to bits.

Just finished looking through my sprues, the Deathwatch Veterans are one of the coolest and one of the worst SM sprues of the last years. Full of cool bits and options, but only a few of each, so you can't give everyone the same gear. But 6 Power Swords and the upgrade sprues has another one. And every boltgun is one-handed...
I'm glad Deathwatch is finally here, but mad at the same time for a wasted chance. The Vanguard, Sternguard and SM 2015 kits are MUCH better designed in terms of options.

I have the feeling I will be doing a lot of mixing and matching between this, stern guard, and vanguard kits....

 conker249 wrote:
Would it be too much heresy to add Cataphractii terminator armor to the bunch? Not for rules, but is there any lore of the DW using it? If so, which chapters would most likely make use of it?

I don't see why not. Would be a pretty badass looking Deathwatch marine

As has been said, Dark Angels have a good amount of Heresy-era toys lying about, as they never really got stuck into the Heresy quite as much as other legions.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Bulldogging wrote:
Now that the new has worn off some, I think this codex and the veteran box were either not built for each other or they made changes before final print. There is a lot of oddities.

And to model these guys and use the cool left arms...you may have to give some power swords, which is a complete gak weapon per point with the options they have.

That's what clippers are for

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 conker249 wrote:
Would it be too much heresy to add Cataphractii terminator armor to the bunch? Not for rules, but is there any lore of the DW using it? If so, which chapters would most likely make use of it?

I don't see why not. Would be a pretty badass looking Deathwatch marine

As has been said, Dark Angels have a good amount of Heresy-era toys lying about, as they never really got stuck into the Heresy quite as much as other legions.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Bulldogging wrote:
Now that the new has worn off some, I think this codex and the veteran box were either not built for each other or they made changes before final print. There is a lot of oddities.

And to model these guys and use the cool left arms...you may have to give some power swords, which is a complete gak weapon per point with the options they have.

That's what clippers are for

LOL true enough. It just would have been nice if they had built the kit right. I'm betting they were originally going to come equipped with power weapons.

Or it could be that GW heard people complainign about lack of bits...so to teach us a lesson they made it so we couldnt build them as base models.

Has anyone else thought about using an Aquila to field 5 librarians? I'm sure it's really (read: INCREDIBLY) bad but I had the thought this morning and it's worming around in my brain. With naked vets it's like a 600 point unit if you make all the libs level 2, but if you have them roll on all different disciplines it could be a very interesting little unit to pod in somewhere. Throw some shields on the vets, keep them in front, use the rerolls from mission tactics and Aquila formation for psychic shooting rerolls.

Maybe scale that back, but now I'm actually thinking some psychic shooting might not be a bad kill team to plan out. Frag drops and divination ML squads are probably going to be better overall, but this might add a little fun in the mix

BossJakadakk wrote:
Has anyone else thought about using an Aquila to field 5 librarians? I'm sure it's really (read: INCREDIBLY) bad but I had the thought this morning and it's worming around in my brain. With naked vets it's like a 600 point unit if you make all the libs level 2, but if you have them roll on all different disciplines it could be a very interesting little unit to pod in somewhere. Throw some shields on the vets, keep them in front, use the rerolls from mission tactics and Aquila formation for psychic shooting rerolls.

Maybe scale that back, but now I'm actually thinking some psychic shooting might not be a bad kill team to plan out. Frag drops and divination ML squads are probably going to be better overall, but this might add a little fun in the mix

That sounds profoundly annoying to both play and play against, since it'll inevitably have invisibility.

 master sheol wrote:

 SonsofVulkan wrote:
Strategium Command Team:
Chaplain: Bike
7xVanguard Vets with 2xHeavy TH, 3xTH/SS, 2xPC/SS, Blackshield(the heavy TH guy), jump packs

White Scar Libby Conclave:
4xLibbies with force axe, lvl2

There you have it a fast hard hitting semi-death star that can kill GMC/SH and can HnR

Chaplain can't take bike
Blackshield is an option only for vets and cannot have Jump packs...
Strategium command requires 1 veteran squad or one of the kill teams... all kill teams requires at least a 5 man veteran squad...
Your idea is totally non legal...

Haha yeah I just made that up without looking them up, too lazy to scroll back the leaks. Can the chaplain take a jump pack then?

Another idea is assuming if touneys don't use the GW Faq draft yet, bring the Wulfen murder pack and load them on to 3 DW flyers.

 SonsofVulkan wrote:

 master sheol wrote:

 SonsofVulkan wrote:
Strategium Command Team:
Chaplain: Bike
7xVanguard Vets with 2xHeavy TH, 3xTH/SS, 2xPC/SS, Blackshield(the heavy TH guy), jump packs

White Scar Libby Conclave:
4xLibbies with force axe, lvl2

There you have it a fast hard hitting semi-death star that can kill GMC/SH and can HnR

Chaplain can't take bike
Blackshield is an option only for vets and cannot have Jump packs...
Strategium command requires 1 veteran squad or one of the kill teams... all kill teams requires at least a 5 man veteran squad...
Your idea is totally non legal...

Can the chaplain take a jump pack then?

No, only the Watch Captain can.

 Brother SRM wrote:

BossJakadakk wrote:
Has anyone else thought about using an Aquila to field 5 librarians? I'm sure it's really (read: INCREDIBLY) bad but I had the thought this morning and it's worming around in my brain. With naked vets it's like a 600 point unit if you make all the libs level 2, but if you have them roll on all different disciplines it could be a very interesting little unit to pod in somewhere. Throw some shields on the vets, keep them in front, use the rerolls from mission tactics and Aquila formation for psychic shooting rerolls.

Maybe scale that back, but now I'm actually thinking some psychic shooting might not be a bad kill team to plan out. Frag drops and divination ML squads are probably going to be better overall, but this might add a little fun in the mix

That sounds profoundly annoying to both play and play against, since it'll inevitably have invisibility.

Some games, yeah. I personally wouldn't be fishing for it, probably just have each lib roll on separate disciplines, but some definitely would haha. Then again, the people who would fish for it would probably just be doing much more efficient things anyway.

But maybe it would be annoying :(

I almost never roll invisibility

I am having a though of how I'd like to do a Deathwatch army.

10 or so Terminators with thunder hammers, storm shields, and cyclone missile launchers

A unit of Veterans with heavy flamers and flamers

A unit of Vets with Frag cannons and either meltaguns or gravguns.




By the way, did anyone else notice that you can make an army of guys with two plasma/grav pistols each?

So would a terminator with meltafist + storm shield be a thing?

Sadly not, the Shield can only be bought alongside a Thunder Hammer.

 stompygitz wrote:
So would a terminator with meltafist + storm shield be a thing?

No, but if it was, it would be my build every time. Sadly, the Melta Fist idea kinda falls flat since it doesn't allow you to fire your Melta and another weapon in the same turn, just use the Melta and Fist in the same turn.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 stompygitz wrote:
So would a terminator with meltafist + storm shield be a thing?

No, but if it was, it would be my build every time. Sadly, the Melta Fist idea kinda falls flat since it doesn't allow you to fire your Melta and another weapon in the same turn, just use the Melta and Fist in the same turn.

Which is fine if you are standing next to something with an AV you wanted to ensure was popped, you wont be shooting a Heavy Flamer at a tank.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 stompygitz wrote:
So would a terminator with meltafist + storm shield be a thing?

No, but if it was, it would be my build every time. Sadly, the Melta Fist idea kinda falls flat since it doesn't allow you to fire your Melta and another weapon in the same turn, just use the Melta and Fist in the same turn.

Which is fine if you are standing next to something with an AV you wanted to ensure was popped, you wont be shooting a Heavy Flamer at a tank.

Yeah, but you can just punch a hole in the side of it and get the same result.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 stompygitz wrote:
So would a terminator with meltafist + storm shield be a thing?

No, but if it was, it would be my build every time. Sadly, the Melta Fist idea kinda falls flat since it doesn't allow you to fire your Melta and another weapon in the same turn, just use the Melta and Fist in the same turn.

Which is fine if you are standing next to something with an AV you wanted to ensure was popped, you wont be shooting a Heavy Flamer at a tank.

Yeah, but you can just punch a hole in the side of it and get the same result.

Well now you can shoot it with a melta and if it doenst blow up, punch it.

Pointed out by Atia on her WoS blog, the Watchmaster's halberd is from the Custodes armoury


I hope the next HH game will come with at least a full squad of Custodian Guard

Warhams-77 wrote:
Pointed out by Atia on her WoS blog, the Watchmaster's halberd is from the Custodes armoury

Spoiler:

I hope the next HH game will come with at least a full squad of Custodian Guard

Sad panda rumored something about *custodes and sisters of silence* in a possible new HH starter game.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

As has been said, Dark Angels have a good amount of Heresy-era toys lying about, as they never really got stuck into the Heresy quite as much as other legions.

The Dark Angels have loads of pre-Heresy equipment because they were the first legion created, and weren't created for any particular purpose other than to be the Emperor's Legion. The later legions all had more specific purposes than "be awesome".

 CaptKaruthors wrote:
Anyone know what the Harlequin formation does in this boxset? Did Harlequins gain a formation of any significance?

Since it looks like no one has answered this for you, it gives the harlequins the benefit of being able to take a second chance on their saves, only passing it on a 6, and gives Eldrad the Eternal Warrior rule

Have people seen these? Supposed boxes for release this weekend

Sorry if this has been posted already.

 lipsdapips wrote:
Have people seen these? Supposed boxes for release this weekend

Sorry if this has been posted already.

Yeah, it was posted up thread a while ago, but it is good to be reminded.

Just a reminder, the Deathwatch Land Raider is $80 USD and come with the Crusader upgrade sprue. That is an amazing deal! I may end up getting one myself.

So I kinda want to make a Kill Team just so I can make a Black Shield who is obviously from a traitor legion. Like really obvious. Like big Night Lord bat wings on head obvious. But with the shoulder pad symbol blacked out so in-universe nobody knows...

I got it. Rubric marine Black Shield. What chapter is Brother Amun-ra from? He wouldn't say...

My copy just showed up in the mail!

Any questions about the box, let me know.

Due to the molded scrapes in the Blackshield's pauldron, one could definitely make it a little obvious what Chapter a Blackshield comes from. And I am definitely in the boat of wanting to make one of them a Traitor Legion member. It would be subtle though. Like he would have some blue with a red jaw showing through on the scrapes, or some violet. But I am leaning toward Watch Sergeants instead of Blackshields.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So I kinda want to make a Kill Team just so I can make a Black Shield who is obviously from a traitor legion. Like really obvious. Like big Night Lord bat wings on head obvious. But with the shoulder pad symbol blacked out so in-universe nobody knows...

I got it. Rubric marine Black Shield. What chapter is Brother Amun-ra from? He wouldn't say...

I know I have slipped a couple of Alpha Legion shoulder pads onto some of my marines.
So far only one opponent has made mention of them.
I hadn't thought of a Night Lord or other obvious armour design. Some HH/30K armour designs would work nicely for that.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Spoiler:

So I kinda want to make a Kill Team just so I can make a Black Shield who is obviously from a traitor legion. Like really obvious. Like big Night Lord bat wings on head obvious. But with the shoulder pad symbol blacked out so in-universe nobody knows...

I got it. Rubric marine Black Shield. What chapter is Brother Amun-ra from? He wouldn't say...

OOO OOO, what is the Dark Angel going to do if he was a Fallen?

I recall that being a plot point in one of the FFG Deathwatch books.