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 jah-joshua wrote:
looking at the pre-orders, the Terminus Ultra Captain is "only" $25...
interesting price point, considering that the two Termie Librarians are $30 and $31, while the BA Termie Captain is $33...
the DW Termie Captain even comes with an extra sprue, just for the one pad...

the old school power armor Captain didn't go up in price, either, so they are throwing in the DW accessory sprue for free...
nice to see an old re-issue not including a price rise...

cheers
jah

Perhaps Rountree really is trying to make things better...

I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

This whole release is working from a sales perspective. Havent spent this much in new models...ever. I will be picking up the upgrade sprue from ebay depending on how much they are. I have 5 drop pods that need 4 symbols a piece for the doors. Luckily the Aquila takes the spot of one door and I have a bunch of those.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

I will probably be getting more than one. I have Terminators and Tactical Squads to convert!

I'm wondering if we'll see more Mk 8 suits show up on sprues, now that they seem to have ironed out exactly what changes are on all the components.

Helmet, more "barrel" shaped/slimmed down cheek areas, flatter muzzle.

Torso, pretty much what we've seen for years, with the abdominal plate and gorget.

Rt arms all have that data link computer thingy, but that may be DW specific.

Legs have not just the ankle discs, but reinforcement plates at the upper hips (kind of like tassets, but not hanging), and the complex curves in the lower leg (front profile of the shin area is slightly concave, calf area has a swell at the lower part, a more complex curved profile to the sides).

And, of course, the cylindrical shaped lower backpack vents.

Looking closely at the parts on the sprue, I really got the feel that they decided to really bring more to the Mk 8 suits with this release than the standard gorget and ankle domes that characterized it in the art and minis before now, and wonder if they plan to put out more of it, now that the design aesthetic is thoroughly nailed down.

Well it seems my Kantor stern guard spam army will slip easily to DW and team well with them. All I really need are some bikers to divide up for shenanigans and those sweet sweet flyers. Plus half of death mask.

The more I think about it, I think I am going to make my Deathwatch a second Detachment for my Crimson Fists. Attach a Locator Beacon to one of my Drop Pods to help guide the Black Spear Strike Force down. Deep Striking Deathwatch Frag Cannons are better than Tank Hunters Devastators anyway. The Black Spear is a great way to make a cheap Allied force without using the Allied Detachment. Basically does the same thing better.

 jah-joshua wrote:
looking at the pre-orders, the Terminus Ultra Captain is "only" $25...
interesting price point, considering that the two Termie Librarians are $30 and $31, while the BA Termie Captain is $33...
the DW Termie Captain even comes with an extra sprue, just for the one pad...

the old school power armor Captain didn't go up in price, either, so they are throwing in the DW accessory sprue for free...
nice to see an old re-issue not including a price rise...

cheers
jah

Yeah, I almost bought one of the reboxed commanders just for the hell of it, and I don't even need the model. I have Artemis, and a second Artemis to convert to wear a helmet and carry different weapons. Lucky me, self control kicked in.

Well, self control, and I won a Rodricus Grytt on eBay and shelled out $19 for him instead.

I haven't played 40k since 5th and don't plan on playing 7th even though this set includes the rules. I had been looking to buy a death jester and a troupe for possible home brew play in Deathwatch Overkill.

Considering those 7 models would have set me back $66, I took the plunge and bought this boxed set. Who knows but they may be useful if Age of the Emperor comes out

Geez, I really need my codex to show up so I can figure out how I want to build the minis I DO have on hand. Kind of frustrating, and only made worse by the odd selection of stuff on the sprue, keeping me from just kitting out the first group as bog standard bolter guys.

So should I go ahead and cast the melta fist? Think ill use 30k bikes and the odd darkangel bits. Since the bikers look to be a missed opportunity

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
So should I go ahead and cast the melta fist? Think ill use 30k bikes and the odd darkangel bits. Since the bikers look to be a missed opportunity

It's pretty easy to bash a meltagun and chainfist together but if you have the means to recast branatar's arm go for it.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
So should I go ahead and cast the melta fist? Think ill use 30k bikes and the odd darkangel bits. Since the bikers look to be a missed opportunity

It's pretty easy to bash a meltagun and chainfist together but if you have the means to recast branatar's arm go for it.

Indeed. Taking the combi-Melta top and grafting it to the forearm should work well enough.

Still working my way through the codex and its attendant lore, but I''m kinda bummed that Watch Fortress Erioch - from FFG's Deathwatch RPG - doesn't seem to get any kind of love or attention. I don't think it is even on the map of the Watch Fortresses...

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:
So should I go ahead and cast the melta fist? Think ill use 30k bikes and the odd darkangel bits. Since the bikers look to be a missed opportunity

It's pretty easy to bash a meltagun and chainfist together but if you have the means to recast branatar's arm go for it.

Indeed. Taking the combi-Melta top and grafting it to the forearm should work well enough.

I'm going to use the meltaguns from the centurion box.

I'm tempted to do at least one terminator with a back mounted Tau fusion blaster to count as the melta fist. Maybe a little bracket to make it shoulder mounted.

BlueGrassGamer wrote:
Still working my way through the codex and its attendant lore, but I''m kinda bummed that Watch Fortress Erioch - from FFG's Deathwatch RPG - doesn't seem to get any kind of love or attention. I don't think it is even on the map of the Watch Fortresses...

That does suck. Just putting it on the map would've been fine.

FFG non-canon 3 confirmed

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

Well he's taking small steps but it's still ridiculous price of ONE miniature but as long as GW insists on plastic for characters characters will never be priced sensibly.

Quick question before I start gluing bits together:

Can libbies take terminator armor?
If so, can they take storm shields?

I have this image of a libby termie with a GK force halberd and a storm shield that looks pretty cool in my mind...

 ChaosDad wrote:
Quick question before I start gluing bits together:

Can libbies take terminator armor?
If so, can they take storm shields?

I have this image of a libby termie with a GK force halberd and a storm shield that looks pretty cool in my mind...

1 Yes to TDA
2 No to Storm Shields. Just combat shields.

tneva82 wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

Well he's taking small steps but it's still ridiculous price of ONE miniature but as long as GW insists on plastic for characters characters will never be priced sensibly.

Except the modern plastic characters have all been brilliant (bar some missteps in the AOS range) and plastic is miles easier to work with than resin or metal so why shouldn't they?

Because they're rip-offs. Virtually everything GW sells is a rip-off. And they keep getting more expensive.

The prices are an absolute joke. It takes some really intentional self-delusion not to see that Bull0.

 Bull0 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
I think he is just using pretty basic techniques from behavioural economics. Both those kits seem like a 'bargain' because they are cheaper than the existing kits AND they come with a bonus Deathwatch sprue. So it's like you're getting the DW sprue for free! For *less than free*. And that sounds like a fantastic price. So we are all tempted to pay $25 for one plastic miniature.

...I know I am.

Well he's taking small steps but it's still ridiculous price of ONE miniature but as long as GW insists on plastic for characters characters will never be priced sensibly.

Except the modern plastic characters have all been brilliant (bar some missteps in the AOS range) and plastic is miles easier to work with than resin or metal so why shouldn't they?

I have to agree, the plastic characters are great, and can be easily fount for 25% cheaper than GW sell them for. They are great for conversion work and so so so much easier to work with than both metal and resin.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because they're rip-offs. Virtually everything GW sells is a rip-off. And they keep getting more expensive.

The prices are an absolute joke. It takes some really intentional self-delusion not to see that Bull0.

I would've well agreed about the prices a few months ago but they seem to have levelled out now... although it's probably too early to call it a trend (but 6 months ago that deathwatch terminator captain would've been £20, no possible doubt).


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Price for the individual deathwatch veteran squad boxes will help when that eventually comes out, and the watch master. I'm obviously hoping the price restraint continues.

Levelling out doesn't make them good, it just makes them suck on a flat plain.

I'm thinking AUD$70 for the DW Vet box (so same as the Sternguard). Of course if they're Dev-squad level of price, then that's silly.

I'm worried about the DW Master being super-expensive. He's such a wicked model.

On the par with the plastic techpriest price-wise, or maybe even beyond that?

 BrookM wrote:
On the par with the plastic techpriest price-wise, or maybe even beyond that?

I doubt he's that expensive. The Tech-Priest is on a 60mm base and is huge.

50mm actually, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Even I want one of those and I only play Horus Heresy these days.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Because they're rip-offs. Virtually everything GW sells is a rip-off. And they keep getting more expensive.

The prices are an absolute joke. It takes some really intentional self-delusion not to see that Bull0.

if you live in Oz, sure...
can't say i've ever felt ripped-off by any of the plastic clampack characters...
they are more dynamic than any of the old metal minis (which i was already a fan of), and have the advantage of being cut to enhance the negative space and flow...
given the choice of a Finecast model or a plastic one, i'll take the plastic every time...

if i'm not a huge fan of the sculpt, like plastic Grimnar and Wulfen, i'll give them a pass...
choosing between the old metal Enginseer, or the new plastic one, i'll take the new one...

you are free to not like the pricing, but saying people are intentionally self-delusional because they are happy to pay for great sculpts is just plain rude...
you just need to buy from a discounter in the US or UK to avoid the ridiculous Kraken tax

i'm stoked that the DW Termie Captain has been released for $25, $8 less than i expected...
i bet the Watch Commander will be the same price...

cheers
jah