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 Fireball wrote:

 Bi'ios wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
This is such a fun release. I just went diving into the great bits mountain and was pulling out RW Black Knight bits, Sanguinary guard sprues, found an untouched SW squad.

Can't wait for this weeks Deathwatch kits to get here so I can get building.

This past week I went plundering the bits box(es) for all the most choice bits, as well. MKIV stuff, Sanguinary Guard, DW Knights, some GK pieces, so on and so forth. I completely agree that this release has been a ton of fun. All those one-off kits I bought just for the bits now have a purpose.

Amen to that. I have so much ideas, just not enough time to get them done ... I will make a GK DW even if it makes no sense whatsoever

They hunt daemonic aliens. They are the best of the best, the purest of the pure. 100% incorruptible and infallible.

Because they follow the teachings of the Chodeks Astartis, and recruit only from Ultramarines.

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Pyrosphere wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
A nice bit of synergy in the codex, say mission tactics is set to troops and you fire the AP3 bolts at some tactical marines you get to reroll those gets hot rolls which could be quite dangerous for your guys when in rapid fire range

Is that stated by GW in the new FAQs?

Does it need to be? This has always been the rule.

Well gets hot, leman russ executioner, preferred enemy was also legal as per rulebook. FAQ altered that. Guess he's bit vary of repeat of that.

That has more to do with the Executioner firing blasts. Rerolling a 1 to hit on a regular shooting weapon and getting something other than a 1 negates the gets hot.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Pyrosphere wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
A nice bit of synergy in the codex, say mission tactics is set to troops and you fire the AP3 bolts at some tactical marines you get to reroll those gets hot rolls which could be quite dangerous for your guys when in rapid fire range

Is that stated by GW in the new FAQs?

Does it need to be? This has always been the rule.

Well gets hot, leman russ executioner, preferred enemy was also legal as per rulebook. FAQ altered that. Guess he's bit vary of repeat of that.

That has more to do with the Executioner firing blasts. Rerolling a 1 to hit on a regular shooting weapon and getting something other than a 1 negates the gets hot.

But the rulebook specifically allowed that...

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Pyrosphere wrote:

 Mantle wrote:
A nice bit of synergy in the codex, say mission tactics is set to troops and you fire the AP3 bolts at some tactical marines you get to reroll those gets hot rolls which could be quite dangerous for your guys when in rapid fire range

Is that stated by GW in the new FAQs?

Does it need to be? This has always been the rule.

Well gets hot, leman russ executioner, preferred enemy was also legal as per rulebook. FAQ altered that. Guess he's bit vary of repeat of that.

That has more to do with the Executioner firing blasts. Rerolling a 1 to hit on a regular shooting weapon and getting something other than a 1 negates the gets hot.

But the rulebook specifically allowed that...

Well a reroll complete cancels out the previous role, it never happened. So you roll a 1 with your Vengeance Round, reroll and get a 3, the 1 never happened as far as the game is concerned, you don't apply the effects of the miss (ie, shot is discounted), and part of that was the Get's Hot! Pretty logical, especially as the rulebook goes out of the way to explain this situation where shooting a Blast Get's Hot! which follows different roll to hit rules, can get it discounted. The rulebook does not work on the assumption people are going out of their way to break or abuse the rules, which includes "Technically speaking, X cannot fire as Y reason" and "Normal weapons rerolling to hit do not discount GH! because the rulebook only explicitly states that blast's get to reroll the Get's Hot!"
Basically, if you have to question it to that degree, its wrong. The game works off the simplest answer.

A reroll is a reroll. You accept the second result. Couldn't really be any clearer. It is a permissive rather than a declarative ruleset. If they had to specify how a reroll worked for every type of roll in the game they'd need a whole section just for that. It's fine. You reroll the dice and accept the second result.

ShVagYeR on B&C pointed out (and confirmed) an interesting rumor posted by the Grotorderly blog

I think I'm falling in love with GW's decisions of late. Unfortunately I can't name the source but this is 100% confirmed by someone working for GW.

http://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2016/08/kill-team-boxed-game-is-coming-out.html?m=1

- A space marines tac squad
- Tau fire warrior strike team
- Small format 40k rule book
- 32 page soft back Kill Team rule book - skirmish tweaks (updated version of the 6th edition rules, expanded rules for team leaders and specialists, missions and inspirations)

Cost: 40 pounds!

It will be out for sale on 3rd September

.

Edited by ShVagYeR, Today, 10:54 AM.

It's about a boxed release of GW's Killteam 40k skirmish rules

Warhams-77 wrote:
ShVagYeR on B&C pointed out (and confirmed) an interesting rumor posted by the Grotorderly blog

I think I'm falling in love with GW's decisions of late. Unfortunately I can't name the source but this is 100% confirmed by someone working for GW.

http://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2016/08/kill-team-boxed-game-is-coming-out.html?m=1

- A space marines tac squad
- Tau fire warrior strike team
- Small format 40k rule book
- 32 page soft back Kill Team rule book - skirmish tweaks (updated version of the 6th edition rules, expanded rules for team leaders and specialists, missions and inspirations)

Cost: 40 pounds!

It will be out for sale on 3rd September

.

Edited by ShVagYeR, Today, 10:54 AM.

It's about a boxed release of GW's Killteam 40k skirmish rules

Sounds awesome, if the rules are any good. It's the kind of thing they ought to be doing, for sure.

curious to see what the rules involve but otherwise....pass

It's probably too much to hope for the rules being a separate release somewhere down the line.

As this year goes by, the good decisions by Gw keep coming. They really seem determined to give players alternative cheap entry points into 40k and Aos. They had a recent event at warhammer world where everyones army was just a start collecting box. There was a similar event for Aos.
I really hope these new strategies pay off. It is exactly the right thing to do to start to grow the userbase again.

If this rumor is true it will most likely be these rules in updated and printed form, and a 7th edition 40k rulebook in a box with two squads of miniatures

http://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/40k-cod-sup/Kill-Team.html

Chikout wrote:
As this year goes by, the good decisions by Gw keep coming. They really seem determined to give players alternative cheap entry points into 40k and Aos. They had a recent event at warhammer world where everyones army was just a start collecting box. There was a similar event for Aos.
I really hope these new strategies pay off. It is exactly the right thing to do to start to grow the userbase again.

Considering most of the feedback they were getting from parents was "it costs how much!" and "what do you mean you don't have sales" they don't really have much choice other than to finally pull their head out. Or at least move the guy that refused off into the corner.

Kill Team box would be awesome. I spent half a year converting a Death Guard kill team and finished the last model on Friday. Working on a Cult Mechanicus one now. Never got a game because I stopped buying 40k rules with Apocalypse being shoe horned in. And my brother actually wants me to build him a post apocalyptic scavenger band using gear from a destroyed (or IS IT?!) Necron tomb and the remains of the SM and Tau strike teams still littering the place. He already has Necron parts.


So a box with KT rules, SMs AND Tau would be like a perfect storm

Joyboozer wrote:

Chikout wrote:
As this year goes by, the good decisions by Gw keep coming. They really seem determined to give players alternative cheap entry points into 40k and Aos. They had a recent event at warhammer world where everyones army was just a start collecting box. There was a similar event for Aos.
I really hope these new strategies pay off. It is exactly the right thing to do to start to grow the userbase again.

Considering most of the feedback they were getting from parents was "it costs how much!" and "what do you mean you don't have sales" they don't really have much choice other than to finally pull their head out. Or at least move the guy that refused off into the corner.

True, but that head had been so deeply and firmly lodged in place for such a long time that I doubted it would ever be removed. With this becoming a box set, I hope they officially publish the AOS skirmish rules that they used at warhammer world.

Warhams-77 wrote:
ShVagYeR on B&C pointed out (and confirmed) an interesting rumor posted by the Grotorderly blog

I think I'm falling in love with GW's decisions of late. Unfortunately I can't name the source but this is 100% confirmed by someone working for GW.

http://grotorderly.blogspot.com/2016/08/kill-team-boxed-game-is-coming-out.html?m=1

- A space marines tac squad
- Tau fire warrior strike team
- Small format 40k rule book
- 32 page soft back Kill Team rule book - skirmish tweaks (updated version of the 6th edition rules, expanded rules for team leaders and specialists, missions and inspirations)

Cost: 40 pounds!

It will be out for sale on 3rd September

.

Edited by ShVagYeR, Today, 10:54 AM.

It's about a boxed release of GW's Killteam 40k skirmish rules

Very nice, I wish they had stuck these rules in with Death Masque though, it seems to be a more suitable place for them, but hey ho, I can see why they would want to double dip like this. Who would blame them. Hopefully the rules are sufficiently cool to warrant picking up the box, otherwise I will hold out for their release in WD later along the line. Hopefully. Or eventually I will crack haha and flog the various acoutrements on eBay and build myself a nice little Crimson fist or Mentor Legion kill team or something.

Anyone got a good source/shop for various PA/TDA bits (i.e.alt armor marks, shoulder pads, etc)? I'm sure there's been a few posted, but ~70 pages is a lot to look through for the links and names again

 BrookM wrote:
It's probably too much to hope for the rules being a separate release somewhere down the line.

For the physical book I'd say you're right,

but I bet there's going to be the option to buy the digital verison at some point

 Wolfblade wrote:
Anyone got a good source/shop for various PA/TDA bits (i.e.alt armor marks, shoulder pads, etc)? I'm sure there's been a few posted, but ~70 pages is a lot to look through for the links and names again

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk

Baddum-Tish

 Vain wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:
Anyone got a good source/shop for various PA/TDA bits (i.e.alt armor marks, shoulder pads, etc)? I'm sure there's been a few posted, but ~70 pages is a lot to look through for the links and names again

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk

Baddum-Tish

Sorry, meant with out forgeworld crazy high prices

 TalonZahn wrote:
Who's running the biggest discount on GW these days?

It's been a looooooong time since I've been tempted to get new stuff.

Frontline gaming does 25% off new releases + 6.99 shipping.

Quick question about the Kill Team Cassius (aka Strategium Command Team)... are the points the same (if you calculated in the DW codex) as they were in the Overkill booklet? If yes, okay. If not, could one use the points/stats of the Cassius team from the Overkill supp?

 russian69hitman wrote:
Quick question about the Kill Team Cassius (aka Strategium Command Team)

It's Kill Team Cassius. A Strategium Command Team is a unique formation from the Deathwatch Codex, with the Mission Tactics special rule and more besides.


Kill Team Cassius was a promotional tie-in to Overkill.

... are the points the same (if you calculated in the DW codex) as they were in the Overkill booklet? If yes, okay.

Do you not have the book or something? It's easy enough to figure out if the points are the same or not.

If not, could one use the points/stats of the Cassius team from the Overkill supp?

No, because that's from White Dwarf for Overkill and released before the Deathwatch book came out. None of the specific stuff that released with Overkill is the same as the Deathwatch book. The Frag Cannon doesn't have the same unique rules, there's no Relics on anyone(Cassius is stated to have the Tome of Ectoclades in Overkill but doesn't have the Relic itself), no Mission Tactics, etc etc.

They're "Deathwatch Faction" but lack all the Deathwatch rules.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if when we see the Genestealer Cultists get their own book there was some stuff we did not get with the WD release that makes them a heck of a lot scarier.

Are there any other units in the codex left for release? Just curious if we have another week of DW releases to test my willpower, or if the new Killteam set will be this week's only release.

 EnTyme wrote:
Are there any other units in the codex left for release? Just curious if we have another week of DW releases to test my willpower, or if the new Killteam set will be this week's only release.

WarhammerTV page says the Blackstar/Watch Master etc are the last of this release.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
Are there any other units in the codex left for release? Just curious if we have another week of DW releases to test my willpower, or if the new Killteam set will be this week's only release.

WarhammerTV page says the Blackstar/Watch Master etc are the last of this release.

That's...surprising.

It means the Deathwatch Upgrade Frame and Deathwatch transfer sheet(which was included with the Watch Fortress edition) will not see individual releases.

 pretre wrote:
Frontline gaming does 25% off new releases + 6.99 shipping.

Thanks!

Good to see I'm not the only one who's going to be sneaking a couple GKs in.

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 Kanluwen wrote:

 russian69hitman wrote:
Quick question about the Kill Team Cassius (aka Strategium Command Team)

It's Kill Team Cassius. A Strategium Command Team is a unique formation from the Deathwatch Codex, with the Mission Tactics special rule and more besides.


Kill Team Cassius was a promotional tie-in to Overkill.

... are the points the same (if you calculated in the DW codex) as they were in the Overkill booklet? If yes, okay.

Do you not have the book or something? It's easy enough to figure out if the points are the same or not.

If not, could one use the points/stats of the Cassius team from the Overkill supp?

No, because that's from White Dwarf for Overkill and released before the Deathwatch book came out. None of the specific stuff that released with Overkill is the same as the Deathwatch book. The Frag Cannon doesn't have the same unique rules, there's no Relics on anyone(Cassius is stated to have the Tome of Ectoclades in Overkill but doesn't have the Relic itself), no Mission Tactics, etc etc.

They're "Deathwatch Faction" but lack all the Deathwatch rules.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if when we see the Genestealer Cultists get their own book there was some stuff we did not get with the WD release that makes them a heck of a lot scarier.

Cool. I asked because the Cassius set is the pic of the Strategium Command entry in the codex. I'll start crunching numbers....

Looks like we have a hint for what's coming up now that the Deathwatch release is over...

 Kanluwen wrote:
No, because that's from White Dwarf for Overkill and released before the Deathwatch book came out. None of the specific stuff that released with Overkill is the same as the Deathwatch book. The Frag Cannon doesn't have the same unique rules, there's no Relics on anyone(Cassius is stated to have the Tome of Ectoclades in Overkill but doesn't have the Relic itself), no Mission Tactics, etc etc.

They're "Deathwatch Faction" but lack all the Deathwatch rules.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if when we see the Genestealer Cultists get their own book there was some stuff we did not get with the WD release that makes them a heck of a lot scarier.

You sure? Unit getting released in codex did not invalidate it's rules in WD(space wolves priest thing you can now field both HQ and elite) nor did new version of supplement invalidate formation from old version of same supplement(greentide)...

GW seems to be on opinion it's released, it's legal to use whether new version has been released or not.