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Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm sure Robert Sillyman would be incredibly powerful, if he is a fieldable unit. If they're similar to their 30k Counterparts, they will cost hundreds of points and have tons of abilities.

Get it right.

It's Gill-Man and he will come to take your manhood with his Coat of Stars.

For those not getting the reference.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Im fine with both of those choices as long as i can play them with my BA. on a different note aren't HH armys legal in 40K? i know you can have volkite weapons so what about primarchs


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shade1313 wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If they start bringing back lost primarchs 40K has well and truly jumped the shark.

This. 1000x this.

but if they only brought back living primarchs then it would be kind of unfair on BA players. DA has a living primarch, regular chapters do and the space wolves guy has actually been seen.

Who said life is fair? Where is that written?

This isnt life. This is a wargame. game is right in the name

You do realize 40k is a lot like Fox News and has never been about being "fair and balanced".
Your living in a day dream expecting every primarch to return.

The Dead Primarchs are not only the name of my high school garage band, but they should also stay dead.

I think I'm 10 pages too late with this

But I'm not liking these new Kharn models.

I said at the time, when the pre-heresy Kharn came out, he looked like a dog taking a leak against a lamp post.

and now the 40k Kharn looks like he's tripping over a dog and is about to fall flat on his face!

Maybe I'm getting older, but the modern action pose on the sculpts, doesn't seem to be as good as action poses on older sculpts. The detail is good, but the dynamism seems to be 'forced,' for want of a better word.

gungo wrote:
You do realize 40k is a lot like Fox News and has never been about being "fair and balanced".
Your living in a day dream expecting every primarch to return.

Why you think GW would not release all primarchesh? Free money. Don't bother saying anything about fluff since that's never been stopping GW from inventing new models.

Dorn would be a good choice for a "the imperium is dying but by damn we will have one last fight" character. Dressed in the black of mourning, leading the black Templars in one last crusade. I suspect the rest of the imperium would rally round him also.

Promethius wrote:
Dorn would be a good choice for a "the imperium is dying but by damn we will have one last fight" character. Dressed in the black of mourning, leading the black Templars in one last crusade. I suspect the rest of the imperium would rally round him also.

This MUST be the only choice. No other chapter deserves the right to lead the Imperium's bat crazy, blood frothing madness attempt at roaring one last act of defiance into every face of Xenos and Heretic filth. Even if humanity ceases to exist, the Templars will still manage to find a way to crusade against whatever race survives.

I would be least unhappy if it was Vulkan. I would be most unhappy if it was Guilliman.

You know it won't be Vulkan though because they already have a 40k model named Vulkan and that might confuse Little Timmy's mother when he asks for Vulkan for Christmas (she might buy the less expensive one).

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I would be least unhappy if it was Vulkan. I would be most unhappy if it was Guilliman.

You know it won't be Vulkan though because they already have a 40k model named Vulkan and that might confuse Little Timmy's mother when he asks for Vulkan for Christmas (she might buy the less expensive one).

But if Vulkan returns, that should mean that all of the items from his scavenger hunt have been found, and there is no longer any need for He'stan to carry the name "Vulkan".

shade1313 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I would be least unhappy if it was Vulkan. I would be most unhappy if it was Guilliman.

You know it won't be Vulkan though because they already have a 40k model named Vulkan and that might confuse Little Timmy's mother when he asks for Vulkan for Christmas (she might buy the less expensive one).

But if Vulkan returns, that should mean that all of the items from his scavenger hunt have been found, and there is no longer any need for He'stan to carry the name "Vulkan".

Yay! Maybe the Dark Eldar can kill whatsisface, Chapter Master Tushy'buns, and He'stan can become the new Chapter Master!

tneva82 wrote:

gungo wrote:
You do realize 40k is a lot like Fox News and has never been about being "fair and balanced".
Your living in a day dream expecting every primarch to return.

Why you think GW would not release all primarchesh? Free money. Don't bother saying anything about fluff since that's never been stopping GW from inventing new models.

Why? Because they don't have too and still get free monies!!! A single dead character model isn't really free monies either especially since forgeworld will have a likely better resin sculpt for sale.
And as much as you want to neglect 40k fluff it's been fairly consistent for the almost 30+ years of stagnation it's been sitting within.

Speaking as a fan of the fluff, I think it's great they're advancing the plot. I hear you on arguments that involving the Primarchs would mean sort of a "monster of the week" development, but I feel like that's already where the fluff is. Space Marines can only fight the nefarious Eldar without real plot development for so long.

I think bringing in a new phase in the plot where Primarchs are active again and things are crumbling brings so much more to the table, both in terms of fluff and gaming. I know we're supposed to "play it out" without GW's help, but at the end of the day the eternal teasing of what "may" happen in the fluff is maddening.

TL;DR IF they pull it off right they could have some really interesting developments both for the fluff and for gaming.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm sure Robert Sillyman would be incredibly powerful, if he is a fieldable unit. If they're similar to their 30k Counterparts, they will cost hundreds of points and have tons of abilities.

Get it right.

It's Gill-Man and he will come to take your manhood with his Coat of Stars.

For those not getting the reference.

I shall forever refer to the Horus Heresy as the Horse Heresy after reading that.

The Emperor's beautiful daughter, was priceless as well.

Dear Games Workshop,

I really like the setting for Warhamer 40,000, but I think I would like it even better if you changed it all to something different.

Thanks,
Doobie

Would be most happy to have Dorn return. As previously suggested, leading Templars. Hell yes. I'd rebuy a Templar army for that.

Russ returning? I might find an old mangy dog to piddle on. Fething hate that worthless mutt of a primary. Being an A-hole to his fellow primarchs, encouraging his men to be raging hypocrites (Psyker BS), and teaching his men to be disrespectful of everyone...yeah. He can stay gone. He has no value. I'd actually like to see the entire SW chapter wiped. They can keep the current codex and just switch everything over to a Khorne counterpart (but performing exterminatus on the Psyker entry).

Can't tell if serious or Dakka.

I hope Dakka.

Well, I wouldn't seriously piddle on a dog. But the rest of it was pretty legit, yeah. Including likely buying a full new Templar army if Dorn returns (and rules to lead them).

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Speaking as a fan of the fluff, I think it's great they're advancing the plot. I hear you on arguments that involving the Primarchs would mean sort of a "monster of the week" development, but I feel like that's already where the fluff is. Space Marines can only fight the nefarious Eldar without real plot development for so long.

I think bringing in a new phase in the plot where Primarchs are active again and things are crumbling brings so much more to the table, both in terms of fluff and gaming. I know we're supposed to "play it out" without GW's help, but at the end of the day the eternal teasing of what "may" happen in the fluff is maddening.

TL;DR IF they pull it off right they could have some really interesting developments both for the fluff and for gaming.

On the contrary I don't see any interesting developments in our future. Advancing the plot, bringing back the primarchs and taking the setting into even more of a morning-cartoon style show where everything is about a handful of superhumans battling "monster of the week" would completely ruin 40K for me. Making it an advancing plot centered on the returning primarcs make the world feel small and bereft of any stake.

And that'seven if they pull it off right. But we know they wont.
It would be sad to see the last good bastion of 40K (the fluff) ruined but, at least we have 30K, so long as the FW section can keep relatively untainted by "GW proper", who seems to turn everything they touch into **** lately

Zywus, are you for real? You seem completely unaware that the fluff has never been 'good.'
Interesting, certainly. Amusing, definetly.
But actualy good? No mate, you making a mountain out of a mole hill.
It's been 'monster of the week' for at least 4 editions. If you don't like that, then thats alright - just write your own fluff.
That is the point of 40k's open nature, is it not?
If that doesn't suit you there's always the door.
Not trying to be rude, just trying to point out how silly that assumption is.

Resurrecting the primarchs only servers to further the trend of making the common soldier for each faction irrelevant.

Guardsmen are worthless and cannot preform any acts of heroism or defiance in the current game mechanics, instead they exist as a laughably inept group of faceless goons that exist only to die.

Tactical marines are experiencing the same fate that their guardsmen brothers are as well. Bolters are just useless when you can have grav weapons, imperial knights and giant titans blowing things up.

Why ever have a rifleman preform any role competently? I mean without them what would all of the big gak have to kill to make them look cool?

GW might as well have giant named characters and robots kill everything and remove any notion of the common soldier being useful.

 Zywus wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Speaking as a fan of the fluff, I think it's great they're advancing the plot. I hear you on arguments that involving the Primarchs would mean sort of a "monster of the week" development, but I feel like that's already where the fluff is. Space Marines can only fight the nefarious Eldar without real plot development for so long.

I think bringing in a new phase in the plot where Primarchs are active again and things are crumbling brings so much more to the table, both in terms of fluff and gaming. I know we're supposed to "play it out" without GW's help, but at the end of the day the eternal teasing of what "may" happen in the fluff is maddening.

TL;DR IF they pull it off right they could have some really interesting developments both for the fluff and for gaming.

On the contrary I don't see any interesting developments in our future. Advancing the plot, bringing back the primarchs and taking the setting into even more of a morning-cartoon style show where everything is about a handful of superhumans battling "monster of the week" would completely ruin 40K for me. Making it an advancing plot centered on the returning primarcs make the world feel small and bereft of any stake.

And that'seven if they pull it off right. But we know they wont.
It would be sad to see the last good bastion of 40K (the fluff) ruined but, at least we have 30K, so long as the FW section can keep relatively untainted by "GW proper", who seems to turn everything they touch into **** lately

Lol you think 40k fluff is only now turning into a Saturday morning cartoon!!!

Hint: the main reason people like 40k is it's always been a Saturday morning cartoon. Literally everything about it is overblown and completely unbelievable and exaggerated. This is what makes 40k great.
So yes I want to see a giant half wolf genetically altered regenerating super human soldier with a two handed axe leading genetetically grown super soldiers Riding giant wolves with a hammer and shield charging at unkillable Egyptian themed robots. Because you know it's a freakin sat morning cartoon game.

So, we have a plastic Ahriman standing on a Mk III marine.

Can anyone point toward rumors or confirmations of a plastic Mk III boxed set akin to BaC?

Too many pages/threads to rummage through at this point.

Thank you!

 Sledgehammer wrote:
Resurrecting the primarchs only servers to further the trend of making the common soldier for each faction irrelevant.

Guardsmen are worthless and cannot preform any acts of heroism or defiance in the current game mechanics, instead they exist as a laughably inept group of faceless goons that exist only to die.

Tactical marines are experiencing the same fate that their guardsmen brothers are as well. Bolters are just useless when you can have grav weapons, imperial knights and giant titans blowing things up.

Why ever have a rifleman preform any role competently? I mean without them what would all of the big gak have to kill to make them look cool?

GW might as well have giant named characters and robots kill everything and remove any notion of the common soldier being useful.

I understand where you're coming from; the basic trooper has been on the backfoot for quite some time now, regardless of army. That being said, you're not gonna see these guys in every game, and if Calgar and Abaddon are Lords of War, you can bet primarchs will be too.

gungo wrote:
Why? Because they don't have too and still get free monies!!! A single dead character model isn't really free monies either especially since forgeworld will have a likely better resin sculpt for sale.
And as much as you want to neglect 40k fluff it's been fairly consistent for the almost 30+ years of stagnation it's been sitting within.

They get even MORE money. It's not like plastic BA primarch would eat sales of plastic Russ...And what you mean by dead anyway? Obviously it would be usable model of primarch come back to life.

And who says FW is going to put in 40k BA primarch in resin? If not then having 30k BA primarch and 40k BA primarch aren't mutually exclusive.

And in case you haven't noticed GW has been rewriting and changing 40k fluff all the time and it's been only increasing...GW isn't too bothered by about the idea and IT'S ALREADY CHANGING! Who says GW won't change it further? 2 years ago idea of primarches coming back in any form was impossible to contemplate. Now it's confirmed. CHANGE! GW isn't bound by history which they have already demonstrated for decades.

I do wonder whether it will be Dorn, seeing as his rules went up in the HH books a long time ago, but there's been no sign of a model from FW. Trust me, go listen to the IF fans in the FW thread and Dorn is very conspicuous by his absence!

 Sledgehammer wrote:
Guardsmen are worthless and cannot preform any acts of heroism or defiance in the current game mechanics, instead they exist as a laughably inept group of faceless goons that exist only to die.

I remember I used to take big 30-man platoons of Guardsmen quite a bit, sit them on objectives and not even bothering to roll for orders or shoot with them because what was the point? They couldn't meaningfully hurt the monstrous creature spam, Wraithlords and jetbikes the metagame disintegrated into, save for the odd suicidal plasma gunner or heavy weapons team. Spending 80% of the painting and modeling for an army on the least useful units in it is a pastime I simply cannot recommend.

 Jadenim wrote:
I do wonder whether it will be Dorn, seeing as his rules went up in the HH books a long time ago, but there's been no sign of a model from FW. Trust me, go listen to the IF fans in the FW thread and Dorn is very conspicuous by his absence!

Doubtful. I would expect them to be different looking in 30k and 40k(for starters Dorn lost a hand in between...). FW will release resin Dorn for 30k, GW eventually plastic Dorn for 40k. Question is just when.

tneva82 wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
I do wonder whether it will be Dorn, seeing as his rules went up in the HH books a long time ago, but there's been no sign of a model from FW. Trust me, go listen to the IF fans in the FW thread and Dorn is very conspicuous by his absence!

Doubtful. I would expect them to be different looking in 30k and 40k(for starters Dorn lost a hand in between...). FW will release resin Dorn for 30k, GW eventually plastic Dorn for 40k. Question is just when.

And the answer (for the FW side) is that they'll release 30k Dorn when the story gets back to a place where he's involved, same with Alpharius. Next is Russ and then Magnus.

 ImAGeek wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
I do wonder whether it will be Dorn, seeing as his rules went up in the HH books a long time ago, but there's been no sign of a model from FW. Trust me, go listen to the IF fans in the FW thread and Dorn is very conspicuous by his absence!

Doubtful. I would expect them to be different looking in 30k and 40k(for starters Dorn lost a hand in between...). FW will release resin Dorn for 30k, GW eventually plastic Dorn for 40k. Question is just when.

And the answer (for the FW side) is that they'll release 30k Dorn when the story gets back to a place where he's involved, same with Alpharius. Next is Russ and then Magnus.

But is the model coming when story moves or is the story moving where the models are

And where's that El'Jonson!

Neronoxx wrote:Zywus, are you for real? You seem completely unaware that the fluff has never been 'good.'
Interesting, certainly. Amusing, definetly.
But actualy good? No mate, you making a mountain out of a mole hill.
It's been 'monster of the week' for at least 4 editions. If you don't like that, then thats alright - just write your own fluff.
That is the point of 40k's open nature, is it not?
If that doesn't suit you there's always the door.
Not trying to be rude, just trying to point out how silly that assumption is.

bs.

The fluff on a large scale has been mostly unchanged since 2nd edition and If something is interesting and amusing, is it such a stretch to call it "good"? I agree that what's been produced lately has been mostly sub-par but necron-blood angels bromance and Draigo sillyness generally don't affect the underlying themes of the settinghey can be dismssed as isolated occurences with a bit of mental gymnastics. Bringing back primarcs would affect the setting far more deeply.

And what's with that passive aggresive crap? Of course I can give up on 40K. And I probably will. The game is already borderline unplayable and if the fluff is to advance in this way, the setting will become completely uninteresting too. What' do you want to achive by saying that other than specifically being rude?

gungo wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Nah Man Pichu wrote:
Speaking as a fan of the fluff, I think it's great they're advancing the plot. I hear you on arguments that involving the Primarchs would mean sort of a "monster of the week" development, but I feel like that's already where the fluff is. Space Marines can only fight the nefarious Eldar without real plot development for so long.

I think bringing in a new phase in the plot where Primarchs are active again and things are crumbling brings so much more to the table, both in terms of fluff and gaming. I know we're supposed to "play it out" without GW's help, but at the end of the day the eternal teasing of what "may" happen in the fluff is maddening.

TL;DR IF they pull it off right they could have some really interesting developments both for the fluff and for gaming.

On the contrary I don't see any interesting developments in our future. Advancing the plot, bringing back the primarchs and taking the setting into even more of a morning-cartoon style show where everything is about a handful of superhumans battling "monster of the week" would completely ruin 40K for me. Making it an advancing plot centered on the returning primarcs make the world feel small and bereft of any stake.

And that'seven if they pull it off right. But we know they wont.
It would be sad to see the last good bastion of 40K (the fluff) ruined but, at least we have 30K, so long as the FW section can keep relatively untainted by "GW proper", who seems to turn everything they touch into **** lately

Lol you think 40k fluff is only now turning into a Saturday morning cartoon!!!

Hint: the main reason people like 40k is it's always been a Saturday morning cartoon. Literally everything about it is overblown and completely unbelievable and exaggerated. This is what makes 40k great.
So yes I want to see a giant half wolf genetically altered regenerating super human soldier with a two handed axe leading genetetically grown super soldiers Riding giant wolves with a hammer and shield charging at unkillable Egyptian themed robots. Because you know it's a freakin sat morning cartoon game.

It's not why I or many (perhaps most) like 40k. And no, it has not always been a Saturday morning cartoon. At least not to the extent it'll be with a moving narrative focused on a few superheroes battling a few supervillains as opposed to the grimdark, vast and stagnant setting that drew me in many years ago.

Great that you want to have wolf lords of the wolf wolf riding wolves armed with wolf blade of the wolf wolf. It's not what I'm after i 40K and it's not what makes (made) 40K great to me.

Sledgehammer wrote:Resurrecting the primarchs only servers to further the trend of making the common soldier for each faction irrelevant.

Guardsmen are worthless and cannot preform any acts of heroism or defiance in the current game mechanics, instead they exist as a laughably inept group of faceless goons that exist only to die.

Tactical marines are experiencing the same fate that their guardsmen brothers are as well. Bolters are just useless when you can have grav weapons, imperial knights and giant titans blowing things up.

Why ever have a rifleman preform any role competently? I mean without them what would all of the big gak have to kill to make them look cool?

GW might as well have giant named characters and robots kill everything and remove any notion of the common soldier being useful.

Agreed. It's been going on for years but bringing back primarcs is a giant leap towards this. Not much feeling of a vast galaxy if the narrative is a handful of superheroes running around all over the place battling each others, with nothing else having consequence. Like some pro-wrestling promotion set in the 40K universe.