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 andysonic1 wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
Running 3 Kytan in the trinity of blood formation is going to be utterly brutal.

It certainly would be if you could actually do that.

Ah, just realized you totally can do this:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Warhammer_40000/Kytan_Daemon_Engine_of_Khorne.pdf

A Kytan Daemon Engine of Khorne may be used as a Lords of War choice in an army chosen from either the Chaos Space Marines, Khorne Daemonkin or Chaos Daemons Factions. When taken in a Khorne Daemonkin army, the Kytan Daemon Engine has the Blood for the Blood God! Special rule (see Codex: Khorne Daemonkin). In addition, it may be selected instead of a Khorne Lord of Skulls in any Detachment where such a war machine is available.

I have a lot of questions....

What about the formations of the black legion suplement which came out a few months ago ( cyclopia cabal for example)

And what artefacts we use? (black legion, crimson or chaos space marine codex?



Thanks if some one can answer

I just hope the Terminator formation gives everyone perfect deep striking. I would be sooooooo happy

WayneTheGame wrote:
Honestly I think they need to get out of the weekly release stuff.

What's wrong with weekly releases?

zamerion wrote:
I have a lot of questions....

What about the formations of the black legion suplement which came out a few months ago ( cyclopia cabal for example)

And what artefacts we use? (black legion, crimson or chaos space marine codex?



Thanks if some one can answer

Everything works as normal. You can use any supplement you want. The only thing you have to be mindful of is that this detachment doesn't let you reroll on the supplement warlord trait table. With the new free VotLW this supplement is pretty much DLC for the Black Legion supplement lol.
It's no different than using the supplement normally. You can still use the supplement formations. They won't benefit from the command benefits of this new detachment of course.

Typhus, Lost and the Damned, veterans of the legion for Plague Marines, and Spawn will be a nice take on the Plague Zombie lists.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Typhus, Lost and the Damned, veterans of the legion for Plague Marines, and Spawn will be a nice take on the Plague Zombie lists.

Is that permission given? If so, fun times are to be had.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Typhus, Lost and the Damned, veterans of the legion for Plague Marines, and Spawn will be a nice take on the Plague Zombie lists.

Is that permission given? If so, fun times are to be had.

Nope, you will need to ally in Typhus. Didn't you get the memo? GW hates Chaos.

The thing I kind of dislike about this detachment is the amount of character you need to take. Fluffwise it kinda works but assuming you take a warband and hell forge pack, that's at least 2 lords and a warpsmith for a minimal configuration. And I'm almost certain that you really want a psyker or two with the new powers which adds another one or two. All of which are only useful after about 100 points. So even with a very rough estimate, that's a whopping 500 points before considering any units. It adds up quite fast.
I'd feel more comfortable if the lord provided more synergy with the army with this detachment. In a CAD it works because of the troop unlocks, but here they feel a bit underwhelming in that regard.


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DaPino wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Typhus, Lost and the Damned, veterans of the legion for Plague Marines, and Spawn will be a nice take on the Plague Zombie lists.

Is that permission given? If so, fun times are to be had.

Nope, you will need to ally in Typhus. Didn't you get the memo? GW hates Chaos.

You're wrong. Typhus is allowed in some formations, including the command formation.


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Also, before I forget. Thanks a lot motograter

So are we to assume that "BA Chapter Ancients" will just be resin Dante, Mephiston, Astorath, and maybe the Sanguinor bundled together?

it's nothing but three ba dreads

If you read the fuzzy fine print, in the warband, all named characters can be substituted in for the chaos lord. in the command detachment thingy, its the same thing. ahriman in place of sorcerers.

So the main question is whether or not we are given permission to replace the CSM with cult marines.

Humm, what are the chances of some updated datasheets with new points in the book? Probably not everything, but perhaps just a few real fixer-ups like the lord of skulls, defiler, etc. They did it in the Fenris campaign book.

 buddha wrote:
Humm, what are the chances of some updated datasheets with new points in the book? Probably not everything, but perhaps just a few real fixer-ups like the lord of skulls, defiler, etc. They did it in the Fenris campaign book.

I had hoped for that as well,but I think that would be too much to hope for.

The codex update thing does not make financial sense for GW.

Why have new players just buy a codex when we can have them buy the outdated codex plus pretty much mandatory supplements that are required to make the faction even modestly competitive?

I think out of these leaks the cultist, warband, and talon formations are solid. The rest are pretty awful really. A 6++ on vehicles? Really, GW?

Love the cultist formation though I see it caps at 9.

Perhaps at 30 it would be OP though maybe a few more than 9.


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Warp Talons charge out of DS is disorganized, is that confirmed?

 Skerr wrote:
Love the cultist formation though I see it caps at 9.

Perhaps at 30 it would be OP though maybe a few more than 9.


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Warp Talons charge out of DS is disorganized, is that confirmed?

That's 9 separate units of cultists possible.

And yes, disorganized charge for the raptors or warp talons both (and lord).

Orthon wrote:
The codex update thing does not make financial sense for GW.

Why have new players just buy a codex when we can have them buy the outdated codex plus pretty much mandatory supplements that are required to make the faction even modestly competitive?

I think out of these leaks the cultist, warband, and talon formations are solid. The rest are pretty awful really. A 6++ on vehicles? Really, GW?

I wouldn't call the Warp Talon one great. They still cost way to many points. Then they loose their charge bonus, don't have have assault grenades, and have no deep strike scatter mitigation. Unless you take allied daemons for icons. I'd rather take some Raptors in the Warband formation. At least they have Objsec to claim an objective, and can still shoot if they blow their scatter and can take special weapons. Agree on the Warband and Cultist formations being good. Sadly I don't play cultists I've got Daemonettes for light troops.

Are the Cult and Terminator Auxiliaries actual formations or just part of the detachment?

Ill take it. still hitting 3 times and wrecking face with warp talons

You don't have to take Warp Talons in that formation. Just take raptors and you can still charge on DS.

Answered my next question about being able to take multiple cultists formations.

So raptors do not get disorganized charge and warp talons do?.

All of them have to disorganized charge after DS. Lord, talons, and raptors alike.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
So the main question is whether or not we are given permission to replace the CSM with cult marines.

Nope, if you want cult units, they're their own auxiliary with no special rules, so as always, you're gak out of luck if you want to play a cult legion other than world eaters, who get their own core choice. If you want EC / TS / DG then you're looking at a CAD, same as always. Though as mentioned, you can do fluffy Death Guard with typhus / lost and damned / plague Marines / whatever else.

 Skerr wrote:
Answered my next question about being able to take multiple cultists formations.

So raptors do not get disorganized charge and warp talons do?.

Anyone in the formation has to make a disordered charge off of deep strike.

"Predatory Warriors: Units in this formation can charge on the same turn they arrived from deep strike reserve, but always count as making a disordered charge when they do so."

I'd still rather take my chances with psychic power aided regular assaults. Although if it turns out that we can now use the dimensional key with some degree of success, this might not be bad at all.
Accurately deepstriking meltas and flamers AND then assaulting rather than waiting to be shot to pieces, terrain or not thanks to grenades. And since you can drop them where you need them to be, you could always use the HoW and if you do want to take warp talons, you could drop them where terrain isn't an issue.

Just look at all these people forgetting that you can no-scatter with Warp Talons. And you can give them 3++ pretty easily too.

Can someone update the original post, I can't find the cultist information everyone is talking about.

 Virules wrote:
Just look at all these people forgetting that you can no-scatter with Warp Talons. And you can give them 3++ pretty easily too.

That's a lot of jank for little return. Putting those buffs on Talons instead of superior units from either Chaos book doesn't seem ideal.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Virules wrote:
Just look at all these people forgetting that you can no-scatter with Warp Talons. And you can give them 3++ pretty easily too.

That's a lot of jank for little return. Putting those buffs on Talons instead of superior units from either Chaos book doesn't seem ideal.

Exactly. This formation was made for Raptors. I'll take the disorderly charge to create more opportunities to hit weak spots.