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Joyboozer wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

shade1313 wrote:
I know, I know, that would mean GW actually paying attention to SoB, maybe even bringing them out of the obscurity of web order and e-codex only, and that would never happen.

Custodes are coming out. Genestealer Cult is coming out. Sisters of Silence (that happen to be SoB with topknots) are coming out.

If I hear tomorrow that GW is re-releasing SoB the day after, I'll probably stop at a shrug. Maybe a raised brow, if I feel exceptionally generous.

I'll be more impressed if all these armies are released and 8th edition doesn't invalidate, exterminate or just pretend they no longer exist.

The only way that would happen is if they don't sell. Which doesn't seem to be a problem.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
There is no "Mother of God" gif big enough to express my feelings. This is an Outside Context Problem for my bank account. When archaeologists find my mancave, they are going to wonder why the paintings suddenly stop with the arrival of the red-and-gold strangers.

Oh God... This made me laugh way too hard. Exalted!

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters of Silence - we have never been told what happened to them - it might be resolved in the Beast storyline.

Crossed fingers for Sisters of any kind.

Yes, we already know that we do in fact actually learn a lot about that in that book series...

I'm really excited for GW Plastic Custodes, and I too hope that there are also some Sisters of Silence in there!

Of course, I also hope that the next edition of 40K makes me actually want to play 40K again too...

BUT, either way, this box will be too good to pass up, I think!

Messiah wrote:
I always thought the Sisters of Silence became the Culexus (being nulls and all), but apparently the two existed at the same time during the heresy?

Not really; the Officio Assassinorum didn't become a "real" branch of the Administratum until after the Heresy, and the Culexus temple didn't exist until about M34.
I reckon the Sisters of Silence were either disbanded or became the guards/crew of the Black Ships. After all, what better way to keep a hold full of psykers in line than people who are more-or-less immune to them?

P.S. Culexus are not just nulls. There is as much variation in the strength of nulls as there is in the strength of psykers and Culexus are culled from the most powerful nulls then given training and equipment to make them even more potent as anti-psykers; most nulls just make "normals" feel uneasy, and usually only with a range of a few feet, while a Culexus could terrify a whole hab block just by standing next to it.

Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.

Well, according to current background, Sisters of Silence and Sisters of Battle really have nothing in common beside being an all female military organisation.

Davor wrote:
Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle?

No,they're not at all.

At least, they never used to be!

I don't think GW has changed that...

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Messiah wrote:
I always thought the Sisters of Silence became the Culexus (being nulls and all), but apparently the two existed at the same time during the heresy?

Not really; the Officio Assassinorum didn't become a "real" branch of the Administratum until after the Heresy, and the Culexus temple didn't exist until about M34.
I reckon the Sisters of Silence were either disbanded or became the guards/crew of the Black Ships. After all, what better way to keep a hold full of psykers in line than people who are more-or-less immune to them?

P.S. Culexus are not just nulls. There is as much variation in the strength of nulls as there is in the strength of psykers and Culexus are culled from the most powerful nulls then given training and equipment to make them even more potent as anti-psykers; most nulls just make "normals" feel uneasy, and usually only with a range of a few feet, while a Culexus could terrify a whole hab block just by standing next to it.

If I recall correctly the culexus temple is featured as one of the ''big six" in one of the HorusHeresy books where a group of assasins attempt to take out horus. (Can't remember the name)

Davor wrote:
Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.

No; apart from a coincidence of part of their name they are wholly unrelated; hers a quick guide to Warhammer 40k sisters:
Silence: secular, anti-psyker "null" force deployed during the great crusade to directly counter enemy warp-related shenanigans.
Battle: religious fanatics established several thousand years after the Heresy, who focus the latent psychic talent found in all humans to create minor "miracles" through faith.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Davor wrote:
Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.

No; apart from a coincidence of part of their name they are wholly unrelated; hers a quick guide to Warhammer 40k sisters:
Silence: secular, anti-psyker "null" force deployed during the great crusade to directly counter enemy warp-related shenanigans.
Battle: religious fanatics established several thousand years after the Heresy, who focus the latent psychic talent found in all humans to create minor "miracles" through faith.

Wellll....that actually remains to be seen. We only just found out that the Sisters of Silence survived the Heresy.

 Zywus wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Messiah wrote:
I always thought the Sisters of Silence became the Culexus (being nulls and all), but apparently the two existed at the same time during the heresy?

Not really; the Officio Assassinorum didn't become a "real" branch of the Administratum until after the Heresy, and the Culexus temple didn't exist until about M34.
I reckon the Sisters of Silence were either disbanded or became the guards/crew of the Black Ships. After all, what better way to keep a hold full of psykers in line than people who are more-or-less immune to them?

P.S. Culexus are not just nulls. There is as much variation in the strength of nulls as there is in the strength of psykers and Culexus are culled from the most powerful nulls then given training and equipment to make them even more potent as anti-psykers; most nulls just make "normals" feel uneasy, and usually only with a range of a few feet, while a Culexus could terrify a whole hab block just by standing next to it.

If I recall correctly the culexus temple is featured as one of the ''big six" in one of the HorusHeresy books where a group of assasins attempt to take out horus. (Can't remember the name)

Which, of course, directly counters previously established timelines laid out in Codex:Assassins (1st and 2nd edition).

They could be used for SoB conversions - but are quite different otherwise

That picture, gold lightning shooting out of her ass

Thanks everyone for explaining Sisters of Silence. I just wonder why some people keep saying SoS is SoB still. That is what confused me before.

Davor wrote:
Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.

As of 5th edition fluff, the SoB were formed by the Ecclisiarchy after the Age of Apostasy to take advantage of a loophole where the church was forbidden from fielding men under arms. They are devout, elite and extremely anti-psyker. The SoS are blanks recruited by The Emperor to fight demons (? Haven't read any HH novels since Fear to Tread) in anticipation of his webway project. They are most likely irreligious, elite and anti-psyker from the other direction. They also kind of dress alike.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Davor wrote:
Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.

As of 5th edition fluff, the SoB were formed by the Ecclisiarchy after the Age of Apostasy to take advantage of a loophole where the church was forbidden from fielding men under arms. They are devout, elite and extremely anti-psyker. The SoS are blanks recruited by The Emperor to fight demons (? Haven't read any HH novels since Fear to Tread) in anticipation of his webway project. They are most likely irreligious, elite and anti-psyker from the other direction. They also kind of dress alike.

The fluff actually goes back to 3.5 edition. I have the old Witchhunter Codex and it makes mention of the Decree Passive in direct relation to the SoB's creation. If they're related in any way after this, it's a retcon.

Davor wrote:
Thanks everyone for explaining Sisters of Silence. I just wonder why some people keep saying SoS is SoB still. That is what confused me before.

Because gamers aren't capable of nuance when it comes to females in 40k. All women are either various eldar or sisters of battle.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Davor wrote:
Is Sisters of Silence the precursor to Sisters of Battle? Someone got offended when I said that and said they have no relationship to each other except for being women and they are not one and the same or one came after the from the other.

As of 5th edition fluff, the SoB were formed by the Ecclisiarchy after the Age of Apostasy to take advantage of a loophole where the church was forbidden from fielding men under arms. They are devout, elite and extremely anti-psyker. The SoS are blanks recruited by The Emperor to fight demons (? Haven't read any HH novels since Fear to Tread) in anticipation of his webway project. They are most likely irreligious, elite and anti-psyker from the other direction. They also kind of dress alike.

The fluff actually goes back to 3.5 edition. I have the old Witchhunter Codex and it makes mention of the Decree Passive in direct relation to the SoB's creation. If they're related in any way after this, it's a retcon.

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Yeah, I have the old fluff. I meant that I don't know what has been retconned after 5th because that was when I stopped buying codices.

I don't think GW would retcon them that way. The most I could see them doing is a retcon meant to elevate the prominence and impact of the Sisters of Silence. Some sort of retcon where the Sisters of Battle were still created by the Ecchlisiarchy because they couldn't have an army of men, but maybe where the SoB are somehow justified or propagandized as spirited successors of a tradition born from the Sisters of Silence.

StupidYellow wrote:


Wasn't there very old models for them?

Yes there were: http://thumbs3.picclick.com/d/w1600/pict/191956544334_/Citadel-Warhammer-40k-Rogue-Trader-Adeptus-Custodes-Forces.jpg

I'm excited to see more pictures of what else is included in this kit.

Culexus is in Nemesis book, the tech used by them predates the Heresy, all that changes by 40k times is how much power the temples have.

When discussing timeline/GW changes etc it's worth remembering how the Heresy novels work. The 40k fluff is how the past is remembered or the "official" inquisition stamped version, when it comes to the Imperium. Heresy series is what actually happened. Hence why the Dark Angels story first match the fluff correctly.

Sure it's a useful retcon device but there are parallels in real history - we've lost records of stuff or don't know the real version of events less than 100 years old, let alone 10k years and a gigantic civilisation.

Anyone else a little disappointed that they've already dropped the artwork cover of the September issue?

It takes effort to see the negatives in this leak by the way.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
Anyone else a little disappointed that they've already dropped the artwork cover of the September issue?

It takes effort to see the negatives in this leak by the way.

A little disappointed about the cover, but the box art wouldn't generate the amount of conversation this has. I prefer aos these days but with this and stealer cults the Sci fi stuff is definitely putting its best foot forward.

The Sisters of Silence (then) have a certain functional overlap with the Sisters of Battle (now) but are very different organisations.


The most important job the Silent Sisterhood did was crew the Blackships - the ships which wander around the imperium collecting up psykers (and hunting down rogue psykers who declined to come willingly). Given their role, the idea of using a cadre of psychic untouchables makes sense.

In 40k, the Blackships are no longer crewed by them - indeed they're no longer to be found anywhere we know of - but are instead crewed by Adepta Sororitas and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.

We don't know when, precisely, the Silent Sisterhood disappeared, or why. We know they were still around a millenia after the heresy, because they pop up in the Beast Arises series.

Are we sure we are getting some Space Wolves (other than the hero) in this box?

The forces shown kinda looks like the Custodes plus Sisters and Bjorn might be one whole side to me.

The Sorcerer, Termies and a squad or 2 of mk3 for the other?

If we need to add in more Marines for the wolves that is a he'll of a lot of models in 1 box.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters of Silence - we have never been told what happened to them - it might be resolved in the Beast storyline.

Crossed fingers for Sisters of any kind.

Yes, we already know that we do in fact actually learn a lot about that in that book series...

I'm really excited for GW Plastic Custodes, and I too hope that there are also some Sisters of Silence in there!

Of course, I also hope that the next edition of 40K makes me actually want to play 40K again too...

BUT, either way, this box will be too good to pass up, I think!

Indeed - I have not been getting that series - have they been mentioned already (other than in previews) or we are waiting to read about them?

Sisters of Silence were as important (or perhaps even more so) than the Custodes given that they were going after powerful pskyers in the shape of the Thousand Sons and their Primarch - hopefully the box will reflect that.

Sisters of Silence becoming the Daughters of the Emperor cult and then the Sisters of Battle under Vandire would be odd - moving from Blank, anti-religious anti-pyskers to religious zealots with powers from the divine but I guess the whole Imperium did that

Today I learned that there are two different types of Black Ships. One operated by the Inquisition, the other by Adeptus Astra Telepathica. You live and learn not very important things...

locarno24 wrote:
The Sisters of Silence (then) have a certain functional overlap with the Sisters of Battle (now) but are very different organisations.


The most important job the Silent Sisterhood did was crew the Blackships - the ships which wander around the imperium collecting up psykers (and hunting down rogue psykers who declined to come willingly). Given their role, the idea of using a cadre of psychic untouchables makes sense.

In 40k, the Blackships are no longer crewed by them - indeed they're no longer to be found anywhere we know of - but are instead crewed by Adepta Sororitas and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.

We don't know when, precisely, the Silent Sisterhood disappeared, or why. We know they were still around a millenia after the heresy, because they pop up in the Beast Arises series.

The Black Ships are not crewed by Sisters. As far as I understand they are crewed by Inquisitor goons / Adeptus Telepathica.

I highly doubt Sisters could resist burning Psykers considering they despise them. Making a group of itchy trigger flamer happy group guard those they set fire to on a regular basis is counter productive.

Unless modern fluff somewhere changed this.

S.Y.

StupidYellow wrote:

locarno24 wrote:
The Sisters of Silence (then) have a certain functional overlap with the Sisters of Battle (now) but are very different organisations.


The most important job the Silent Sisterhood did was crew the Blackships - the ships which wander around the imperium collecting up psykers (and hunting down rogue psykers who declined to come willingly). Given their role, the idea of using a cadre of psychic untouchables makes sense.

In 40k, the Blackships are no longer crewed by them - indeed they're no longer to be found anywhere we know of - but are instead crewed by Adepta Sororitas and Inquisitorial Stormtroopers.

We don't know when, precisely, the Silent Sisterhood disappeared, or why. We know they were still around a millenia after the heresy, because they pop up in the Beast Arises series.

The Black Ships are not crewed by Sisters. As far as I understand they are crewed by Inquisitor goons / Adeptus Telepathica.

I highly doubt Sisters could resist burning Psykers considering they despise them. Making a group of itchy trigger flamer happy group guard those they set fire to on a regular basis is counter productive.

Unless modern fluff somewhere changed this.

S.Y.

They appear in several BL publications guarding Black Ships

If they are told to keep the psykers alive and guard them - thats what they will do - they are a highly disciplined military force - besides Psykers are a neccesary evil - the Emperor himself said so and thats good enough for the Sisterhood - see Naviagtors, Astropaths, Inquisitors, Astarts Libraians, Sanctioned Pyskers - - any of of which those in Black Ships may become

They may not like them - but they will not just go around burning Imperial asests.

Give them a good reason though.........but thats true of pretty much any imperial citizen or soldier.