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With all the nostalgia lately and now even dead sculpts beeing brought back to serve the shareholders, we all know the risen dead is a sign of the apocalypse.

So far it sounds like a reunion tour for old "last chance to buy" items. Lets hope they found a way to go even further back.

 Cilithan wrote:

Spoiler:

Please!

Hey, that looks like something I'll be putting up on eBay... Better hurry up.

Iain.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Chaos Toilet please.

So I thought this was just poorly designed model that may look like a toilet. But nope, there is an actual Chaos Toilet.

I would be happy to be able to get some Bretonnians.

His Master's Voice wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Inb4 Sisters fans break the request system...

What, all four of them?

Pure genius, exalted.




Me personally, I would be in for ordering the plastics from some of the old starter sets. Mainly WFB stuff.

Man, I hope they bring back Kasrkin.

Herzlos wrote:
Unless they've been called to HQ for training, managers generally don't know anything about what's going on until the pre-orders arrive, or a box turns up on the Thursday for a Saturday launch.

As some one who sorta works for a gw they know whats happening around 3 day before they are come out

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
There was something a couple weeks back where they did a single day re-release in metal for two OOP LotR sets.

I wondered if it was to avoid killing the value for collectors.

That'd be my one worry about going too deep into the back catalogue; killing off army values for folks who paid a lot.

I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.

If a handful of people ending up with buyer's remorse and a handful more scalpers out of pocket is the price of allowing the vast majority of people the chance to buy something they wanted but never got a chance to, then I call it a bargain.

You don't speak for me, in either case, no.
Just like MTG and other high cost hobbies, there are people - yes people, not goblins who sit and rub their hands atop hoards of lead - who collect and enjoy owning rare miniatures.

Partly the chase, partly the reliance that they could get some investment back if they were to sell their card folders or army cases.
For those who own units of Diaz Daemonettes, or in my case a ten-squad GW Tanith army, there's a small reassurance that if we needed cash quickly, we could get some return on that. Not a profit, just a chunk of cash that could be accessed in hard times.
Or to put it another way, if my house burned down, I'd want to receive insurance money for what I actually paid, not what the models were recently released as costing.

Going back further... People who have insured their collections of 1980s minis, would be in a similar position. I'm not talking about losing 30% of the cost of a 2005 plastic kit.

Bringing back miniatures to be used and enjoyed is a great thing. But you cannot say that everyone feeling apprehensive is feeling so out of greed or "buyers remorse".
Some of us, just like collectors of coins, plates or memorabilia, simply backed the wrong horse.

I hope we will see more than the Models from "last chance to buy".

 Smitty wrote:
Man, I hope they bring back Kasrkin.

Ooo, this!

GW doesn't care about who already owns their stuff. GW doesn't care about collectors.

If you're holding to sell, and you're worried that your Zoats and Fimir will decline in value, then now is the time to sell.

I need that old brotherhood champion model. They didn't even replace it and it's still in the grey knights codex

Did I read the Facebook quote properly? They are only remaking what was on "Lasst Chance to Buy"?

So I take it as no Zoats or any old Tyranid minis or what not will be available. Dang, would have loved some Zoats and Rough Trader Nids, especially the long skinny one. Forget the name of that one now.

So I am wondering if this would be last chance for Bretonnia and Tomb King collectors to get their minis they can't get anymore.

I'm all for collecting and knowing your stuff has higher prices, but folks have to remember that this doesn't necessarily apply to normal release metal and plastic minis. These minis were produced in bulk. Some bought them up and artificially inflated them on ebay due to finecast. Sorry but I don't feel for those who hoard production minis to resell.

Now, in reference to collector minis? Sure, those should be worth some cash and increase in value due to true rarity. I'd be lying if I didn't have several of gw's le minis, or two zombicide sets. However those are or include exclusives, and I didn't buy them to resell (one to play, one to paint). If a family member gets cancer or something horrible happens, sure I'd sell them. But I wouldn't be seeing them just to get rich.

Have I paid more than stuff was worth in the past? Sure. I paid $90 each for two 'limited release' terminator captains that are now general deathwatch release. I also paid more for some tomb kings items because I had always wanted a tk army, and saw they were ceasing production. Since my purchases, the prices have fallen but I don't regret those purchases, it was worth the cost to me.

But those who hoard production minis just to rip off fellow gamers? F them. I saw a set of gene cult dice ar my local flgs for $17 recently. I had already ordered two from gw. I left them on the shelf for another gamer to enjoy for $17, instead of buying and reselling on ebay for $50-$70.

Davor wrote:
Did I read the Facebook quote properly? They are only remaking what was on "Lasst Chance to Buy"?

Believing it would be anything more was wishful thinking from the get go. You'd think people would temper their imagination somewhat, but sometimes it's easy to get carried away apparently.

Davor wrote:
So I am wondering if this would be last chance for Bretonnia and Tomb King collectors to get their minis they can't get anymore.

By my count it's the third time in the span of a year that these minis have been advertised as "last chance to buy". Not unreasonable to suspect there'll be a fourth and fifth "last chance" as well.

 455_PWR wrote:
But those who hoard production minis just to rip off fellow gamers? F them. I saw a set of gene cult dice ar my local flgs for $17 recently. I had already ordered two from gw. I left them on the shelf for another gamer to enjoy for $17, instead of buying and reselling on ebay for $50-$70.

Oh absolutely. That Witch King diorama I posted earlier sells for £100-220 sealed.
I picked up one to paint as I lost my original. It would have been so easy to drift my hand and take a second, reselling for over five times the cost. But I'd rather someone else get chance to own one.

More fool me, perhaps. But you follow on why I bristle at the pressing assumption people who appreciate owning rare or OOP minis must be in it purely to skim off the sweat of other hobbyists.

Several Sisters Models are available again. Mistress of the Repentia and Uriah are back in stock after who knows how long. Hopefully some of the other sisters special weapons are included in this.
Maybe they found a cash of old models in Kirby's Basement, and are looking to cash out.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
My concern is that they will start to move all Finecast stuff into this format. Everything is already direct order, this would just allow them to limit stock sitting in a warehouse. All the while probably giving everything a 30% price increase.

My concern is that they'll use this to effectively squat nominally supported legacy lines without booting them from the game/setting completely. Things like aspect warriors, Black Templars, Kroot, the entire SoB range and Slaanesh.

I wouldnt be so pessimistic. Some models, where put back to indy retail aswell. Kemmler ( finecast model ), the Steamtank, dwarf cannon, dwarf Thunderers and Dark elf Dreadlord on Black Dragon. In this perspective I do lift my hat towards Rountree.

Davor wrote:
Did I read the Facebook quote properly? They are only remaking what was on "Lasst Chance to Buy"?

So I take it as no Zoats or any old Tyranid minis or what not will be available. Dang, would have loved some Zoats and Rough Trader Nids, especially the long skinny one. Forget the name of that one now.

So I am wondering if this would be last chance for Bretonnia and Tomb King collectors to get their minis they can't get anymore.

I can see why they are doing this. When people are selling Tomb King battalions for 100-140 pounds and they go. When sealed Bretonnian Battalions go for 80-90 pounds. When Louen Leoncoeur go for 80-90 pounds, when the Green Knight can keep his price around 18-25 pounds, then why wouldnt GW sell their own minis.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
I need that old brotherhood champion model. They didn't even replace it and it's still in the grey knights codex

That's just a 3rd edition Justicar. They're all over eBay.

Would GW really do this just to sell some Tomb Kings and Bretonnians? There must be OOP 40k models that would sell tenfold than the most popular Tomb King ever would. Surely GW knows this and will give us what we want!

 Buttery Commissar wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
There was something a couple weeks back where they did a single day re-release in metal for two OOP LotR sets.

I wondered if it was to avoid killing the value for collectors.

That'd be my one worry about going too deep into the back catalogue; killing off army values for folks who paid a lot.

I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.

If a handful of people ending up with buyer's remorse and a handful more scalpers out of pocket is the price of allowing the vast majority of people the chance to buy something they wanted but never got a chance to, then I call it a bargain.

You don't speak for me, in either case, no.
Just like MTG and other high cost hobbies, there are people - yes people, not goblins who sit and rub their hands atop hoards of lead - who collect and enjoy owning rare miniatures.

Partly the chase, partly the reliance that they could get some investment back if they were to sell their card folders or army cases.
For those who own units of Diaz Daemonettes, or in my case a ten-squad GW Tanith army, there's a small reassurance that if we needed cash quickly, we could get some return on that. Not a profit, just a chunk of cash that could be accessed in hard times.
Or to put it another way, if my house burned down, I'd want to receive insurance money for what I actually paid, not what the models were recently released as costing.

Going back further... People who have insured their collections of 1980s minis, would be in a similar position. I'm not talking about losing 30% of the cost of a 2005 plastic kit.

Bringing back miniatures to be used and enjoyed is a great thing. But you cannot say that everyone feeling apprehensive is feeling so out of greed or "buyers remorse".
Some of us, just like collectors of coins, plates or memorabilia, simply backed the wrong horse.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but I just don't care, and neither do most people.

And actually yes, I do think the motivators here are greed and buyer's remorse, those are the only rational reasons behind what you're talking about - if you bought the model at a price you were happy to pay at that time because you wanted to own it, then other people being able to buy the same model at a different price shouldn't be of any concern to you beyond the normal mild irritation that you personally missed out on a better deal(again, just as would occur if you bought an item and then it came up again on ebay some weeks or months later much cheaper, or if you were selling, sold for much more than you got). A stronger reaction than that can only mean either you weren't actually happy to pay that much for the model at the time you bought it(ie, buyer's remorse), or that your primary motivation for buying the model wasn;t to own it yourself but to later turn it around and gouge some other "collector" for a substantial profit(ie, greed).

I recently cleared out some old BFG ships on ebay(realistically, I just didn't have time to collect yet another dead game), and I got way less for them than some were going for about six or eight months after the SGs were initially canned. Like, half as much for some of them. That's no affront to me, because I didn't buy them to make money from. I've bought Mordheim models I really, really wanted on hard-fought ebay auctions and then seen the exact same models, sometimes even in better condition, for a fraction of the price as buy-it-nows only a few weeks later, and while that was annoying I lived with it because I'd already decided what I was willing to pay for those models and I didn't go above that.

Neither GW, nor other wargamers have any responsibility to ensure the nebulous potential value of collectors' models.

I think Yohdrin has covered it pretty well.

Also, insurance-wise, if you paid $10 for a $5 item, then it's only worth $5, not $10. It's not their fault, nor ours, if you overpaid.

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
Just like MTG and other high cost hobbies, there are people - yes people, not goblins who sit and rub their hands atop hoards of lead - who collect and enjoy owning rare miniatures.

And those people will still have their rare miniatures. If the appeal is owning something cool then nothing is lost just because someone else has one too. If the appeal is having something that nobody else gets to have then sorry, no sympathy at all for those people.

For those who own units of Diaz Daemonettes, or in my case a ten-squad GW Tanith army, there's a small reassurance that if we needed cash quickly, we could get some return on that. Not a profit, just a chunk of cash that could be accessed in hard times.

Well there's your problem then. Don't look at miniatures (or MTG cards, etc) as an investment. If you consider the money lost the moment you spend it on the thing you want, much like buying a meal at a nice restaurant, you won't have this problem. And if insurance pays out the current value of the models you can buy replacement copies at the current price. And, after all, the point of insurance is being able to get your stuff back, not to have the opportunity to cash in your investments all at once.


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 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm confident I speak for almost anyone who's ever tried to finish off an OOP army with ebay purchases when I say; sod 'em. Yes yes, it's all very sad that they paid a lot for something and along comes a rerelease they could have bought for a lot less, but at the end of the day there are two types of people making those purchases - people who really wanted them and were willing to pay that much, and people who paid that much in the hope of turning around and gouging even more money out of the previous person. The former got what they wanted at a price they were happy with at the time(and everyone's got stories of that time they bought something for X amount and then a week later found the same thing for sale on ebay/in a local store/by a mate for Y much lower amount, if it's not worth it to you at X don't pay X), and the latter would be quite happy to filch every penny they can from us without adding any perceivable value so they can hardly complain if the worm turns to our benefit can they.

Exactly. I have spent hundreds of dollars each on single OOP models (mostly old FW tanks and scenery) and I don't care one bit if they go back into production and the value drops to the original retail price. That money was gone as soon as I spent it, and I got the thing I wanted. The fact that I might not be able to cash in my "investment" for as much in the future doesn't matter because that's not why I bought it. No matter what happens I still own those models I bought.

To be fair, I have no issues buying at a higher price for certain things.
I commonly grab units of 10 diaznettes from eBay for £50-£65.

If they re-release them I'd be over the moon and buy more.



I can see how some collectors would be annoyed though, as I've seen plenty of people on here collect rare models.
For the value of something to drop rapidly out of the blue it would be annoying.

To be clear, I'm not talking about TK or Brett's, I'm talking about the proper old collectors models ranging from skullz, games day models etc.
Not just the usual retired plastic kits.

 Jackal wrote:
I can see how some collectors would be annoyed though, as I've seen plenty of people on here collect rare models.
For the value of something to drop rapidly out of the blue it would be annoying.

To be clear, I'm not talking about TK or Brett's, I'm talking about the proper old collectors models ranging from skullz, games day models etc.
Not just the usual retired plastic kits.

I think most collectors would be ecstatic about being able to simply place an order with GW to get 90+% of the stuff they want, brand new, not recast / fakey without hunting or waiting. Just BANG! spend money and done. And at half the price they would have paid on eBay, they can afford the other 10%.

For me "proper old" stuff would be things that predate Skullz -- stuff from the RT / WFB 3-4 era.

Speculative investing in hobby sectors such as minis, cards, or comicbooks, is an incredibly bad idea due to the volatility of collectables.

It is far better to buy what you like when you like and don't worry about whether or not it will fluctuate in value. I figure once I buy it it is worthless to anyone else. My guitar collection is worth less than when I bought them, as is my GW collection, etc.

It sounds to good to be true, first i want to hear some concrete information on what can be ordered and what the price point will be.

If it is reasonable, i would order a slew of old stuff for my inquisitor project and marines (old termies and dreadnaughts!)

I remember when GW did those $175-$250 army deals for 40K and WFB, and they slipped a reissue of Sgt. Centurius in the SM set. People came unglued. The limited edition BSBs didn't grab as much ire as that one model, simply because of when it came out before. For the life of me, I don't see what the big deal is. And part of me wishes I still had it. I'd post a video on Youtube of me smelting it down with all my other pewter stuff to make fishing sinkers.

xraytango wrote:Speculative investing in hobby sectors such as minis, cards, or comicbooks, is an incredibly bad idea due to the volatility of collectables.

It is far better to buy what you like when you like and don't worry about whether or not it will fluctuate in value. I figure once I buy it it is worthless to anyone else. My guitar collection is worth less than when I bought them, as is my GW collection, etc.

Unless, of course, you had an ESP Eclipse archtop in a color I like.

I googled the definition of "Made to Order" and then saw here what it will actually mean. Everything makes a lot of sense now.

Please tell me you had to google "made to order" to find out what it meant is a joke I'm not seeing?