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 Crimson wrote:
I hope the Agents rumour is true. They could put SoS in in too.
And ton the people saying that Inquisitors already have rules and can be included, those are hella outdated. The whole inq codex is just a copypaste from now outdated (6th ed?) GK codex.

Those rules are from the same timeframe as the Tempestus and Guard books. They're not as outdated as you're presenting them to be.


In any regards, I am highly skeptical of the Imperial Agents and the Traitor Legions stuff associated with it. Something about the information just seems off.

Why are many people worried about them bringing the loyalist primarchs back?

LightKing wrote:
Why are many people worried about them bringing the loyalist primarchs back?

Because it would be stupid.

 Crimson wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Why are many people worried about them bringing the loyalist primarchs back?

Because it would be stupid.

Why?...just saying it would be stupid is not enough, there is a reason GW kept all their fates ambigious instead of just outright killing them

for the possibility some might come back

is it bad etiquette to derail by just jumping in with questions?

LightKing wrote:

Why?...just saying it would be stupid is not enough, there is a reason GW kept all their fates ambigious instead of just outright killing them

for the possibility some might come back

It would seriously go against the theme of the setting. In 40K Imperium is a crumbling, dying mess, things like Primarchs are barely remembered myths. Having shiny superheroes of the legends return would seriously damage that theme. There is already a whole separate game in which people can use them if they're so inclined.

I can come up with two scenarios of Primarch returning that would not massively annoy me.
1) A Primarch returns, but is promptly killed by the Inquisition and the whole thing is covered up to maintain status quo.
2) Russ returns, but is an insane drooling mutated monstrosity. He might have some tiny glimmer of his former self remaining, which would allow him to intervene in some dramatic moment and then die or vanish again.

 Crimson wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Why?...just saying it would be stupid is not enough, there is a reason GW kept all their fates ambigious instead of just outright killing them

for the possibility some might come back

It would seriously go against the theme of the setting. In 40K Imperium is a crumbling, dying mess, things like Primarchs are barely remembered myths. Having shiny superheroes of the legends return would seriously damage that theme. There is already a whole separate game in which people can use them if they're so inclined.

I can come up with two scenarios of Primarch returning that would not massively annoy me.
1) A Primarch returns, but is promptly killed by the Inquisition and the whole thing is covered up to maintain status quo.
2) Russ returns, but is an insane drooling mutated monstrosity. He might have some tiny glimmer of his former self remaining, which would allow him to intervene in some dramatic moment and then die or vanish again.

the lore hasn't been updated since like the 80s man people are getting bored, i understand where your going at

but people want to see massive change, and if that involves bringing some of the primarchs back then so be it

LightKing wrote:

but people want to see massive change, and if that involves bringing some of the primarchs back then so be it

I don't. I love 40K setting and I don't want to see it changed.

And of course you can have plot progression without massively altering the setting.

 Crimson wrote:

LightKing wrote:

but people want to see massive change, and if that involves bringing some of the primarchs back then so be it

I don't. I love 40K setting and I don't want to see it changed.

And of course you can have plot progression without massively altering the setting.

well, I think its going to happen, if those rumors are true...they were right about Magnus coming back and attacking Fenris...so i assume the others are correct

I guess the best bet is to "wait and see" im sure GW will do right with the primarchs

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Now all we need are rules leaks...

Nah, as long as we don't know, we can still lie to ourselves they'll be good.

I've never been a huge Chaos fan, but the Thousand Sons have always been cool to me (but often ignored for the past 10-15 years). The new kits look pretty good. In fact, bash them together with the plastics from Burning of Prospero and you've got a serious force.

I could see buying some up to do a small 2nd ed. Thousand Sons force. I do prefer the Prospero Ahriman to the new one though (particularly since the new one will probably be 1/3 the price of the whole Prospero boxed set...)

when was the last time GW were pushing the Daemon Primarchs?

Holy Magnus on a stick those models look amazing!

Rubric marines, termies, and the sorcerers are an insta-buy for me.

The rubrics will take a little converting to fit into a HH army but scattering their more decorative bits among some more marines should do the trick. The same goes for the Terminators, I bet combining that set with the ones from the Prospero set would look awesome!

I was also won over on the sorcerers after seeing that they had multiple heads and poses. I see them all being pretty pricey sets but if they are loaded with spare bits it will probably be worth it.

Not so keen on the Terminators - I've been waiting for Thousand Sons Terminators since Forge World did their World Eaters and Death Guard upgrade sets about a decade ago, and these ones are just ... OK. I'd have preferred them to be in "normal" Terminator armour, but that's just my preference.

The rest, though, are very nice. I like the sorcerors; worth picking up on their own, I think. I especially like the one on the disc who looks a bit like Mumm-Ra the Ever-Living.

Still don't see why people are expecting Fenris to fall. Space Wolves are a big seller, Battle of the Fang spells out that the Wolves can only recruit from Fenris.

Would they dare to kill or forever damage/doom an original legion and money maker? Nope!

It'll be a draw and/or the book finishes before the battle ends.

LightKing wrote:
when was the last time GW were pushing the Daemon Primarchs?

When they did them in 2nd edition Epic twenty years ago.

Kijamon wrote:
Still don't see why people are expecting Fenris to fall. Space Wolves are a big seller, Battle of the Fang spells out that the Wolves can only recruit from Fenris.

Would they dare to kill or forever damage/doom an original legion and money maker? Nope!

It'll be a draw and/or the book finishes before the battle ends.

I don't see Fenris falling, but i think it will spark the return of one of the loyalist primarchs to combat Magnus and his forces

either the Wolf or the Lion

Kijamon wrote:
Still don't see why people are expecting Fenris to fall. Space Wolves are a big seller, Battle of the Fang spells out that the Wolves can only recruit from Fenris.

Why do people keep saying this? It makes no sense. There were Space Wolves before Fenris was found.

Question

are the 6 Daemon Primarchs more powerful than a regular Daemon Prince

or are all Daemon Princes at the same level?

pm713 wrote:

Kijamon wrote:
Still don't see why people are expecting Fenris to fall. Space Wolves are a big seller, Battle of the Fang spells out that the Wolves can only recruit from Fenris.

Why do people keep saying this? It makes no sense. There were Space Wolves before Fenris was found.

All pre home world marines were from Terra. The Emperor had them trained and ready for the Primarch to lead. Battle of the Fang makes it clear that the Canis Helix is a limiting factor in their recruitment. The contradiction is older and hasnt been explained in modern times. Maybe the Terran marines had generic gene seed and not a true wolf one?

Leman Russ took loads of his warriors from Fenris with him so who knows?

LightKing wrote:
Question

are the 6 Daemon Primarchs more powerful than a regular Daemon Prince

or are all Daemon Princes at the same level?

Regular primarchs are super weak vs their brothers whom also have now gained daemonkin powers. If they come back like you are praying for and don't all die like babies to the daemon primarchs then... gw dun goofed

I'm hoping that the Tzaangors profile is more in-line with the Gor stats in WFB, otherwise they'll just fill the same role Cultists already do as a horde unit.

I'd love to see the Tzaangors get a 5+ Inv, since they don't seem to have any armour otherwise, due to being on the Tzeentchy Planet of Sorcerors presumably their whole lives, and Str 4 like their WFB counterparts to ensure that they better combat Marines in assault.

Does anyone know if this is a supplement, an actual TSons codex, or is it gonna be like a tzeentch daemonkin codex?

isn't the use of xenos like Tzaangors heresy?

LightKing wrote:
isn't the use of xenos like Tzaangors heresy?

Pretty sure chaos doesn't care?

LightKing wrote:
isn't the use of xenos like Tzaangors heresy?

Chaos aren't those icky loyalist primarchs prancy people... we fight with who we fight...

Better shots of Ahriman . Available for pre-order 03/12/16

Any codex to hold the rules for the new releases?

Are Tzaangors actually xenos though?
Maybe they are Mutants?
Maybe even Daemons?
Their nature is vague.

Celestialpainting wrote:
Any codex to hold the rules for the new releases?

I also would like to know. I'm hoping for a tzeentch daemonkin book