Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons

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**angelofvengeance**

lord_blackfang wrote:
So is Ahriman now the first named character who has 2 different plastic models?

I can't think of any others at the moment. Though it technically doesn't count, since 30K and 40K are two different things.

**Ketara**

Chikout wrote:
Barzam wrote:
Is it just me, or do the new kits look rather teal? I'm used to seeing them in a darker shade of blue than that. I would love to see someone paint these up in the pre-heresy red.

Like this?

That's cool. Swap in more normal MK IV helmets and gear, and you've got a great looking TS force for 30K.

**ekwatts**

I was wavering over a pre-heresy-inspired scheme and the blue, partly because I love turquoise but I've used so much teal/turquoise over the years... But that picture seals it. I'm now incoherently going to pick up the two new teal paints with this release but instead paint the new Thousand Sons kits I'm going to pick up in a pre-heresy red and pale gold scheme as above.

Damn you, GW. Damn you.

**Sasori**

I wonder if there is going to be any vehicles, not looking like it right now.

**Nazrak**

New Thousand Sons look great. Really think bringing back the loyalist Primarchs is a totally garbage idea though. Like the focus of the 40K setting needs narrowing even further.

**Kijamon**

For those querying the mutations, in Battle of the Fang one of the sorcerers mutates very heavily and it read to me hat the rubric didn't work forever.

Though Magnus may have been the one causing that i suppose.

**unmercifulconker**

Woa woa woa, that Imperial agents book might be true?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/5dr3ev/not_just_1000_sons_next_monthtraitor_legions_supp/

Spoiler:

Edit: Is it.....is it finally happening?

**angelofvengeance**

Sasori wrote:
I wonder if there is going to be any vehicles, not looking like it right now.

GW have said there's more to come than just those models. Just wait and see how this plays out.

**usernamesareannoying**

wow...
i must admit that its been a while since ive looked at 40k let alone the chaos codex but since when can power armor guys use an assault cannon and where do the tzaangor fit in?

**Sasori**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Sasori wrote:
I wonder if there is going to be any vehicles, not looking like it right now.

GW have said there's more to come than just those models. Just wait and see how this plays out.

Oh, I figured the more to come was Ahirman and Magnus. TKS vehicles would be really neat, so I hope to see some!

**Thommy H**

Not buying the Imperial Agents rumour - the reference to including Deathwatch Kill Teams and Assasins in other armies is bizarre given that you can already legally do both in a battleforged army. And Grey Knight Terminators as an allied option sounds like we're in 2nd Edition - Grey Knights have had their own Codex for 13 years! It's hardly a groundbreaking addition to the game in 2016...

I could see it being a compilation of of the Black Library codecies with maybe a couple of additions, but the reference to two armies with full ranges and books, one released scant months ago, screams fake.

**unmercifulconker**

Guess we will see next week, not long till the WD hits our letterboxes. I thought the Agents book was fake at first but now im thinking its real.

**Chikout**

Thommy H wrote:
Not buying the Imperial Agents rumour - the reference to including Deathwatch Kill Teams and Assasins in other armies is bizarre given that you can already legally do both in a battleforged army. And Grey Knight Terminators as an allied option sounds like we're in 2nd Edition - Grey Knights have had their own Codex for 13 years! It's hardly a groundbreaking addition to the game in 2016...

I could see it being a compilation of of the Black Library codecies with maybe a couple of additions, but the reference to two armies with full ranges and books, one released scant months ago, screams fake.

I don't know. This is the right time frame for white dwarf contents to start leaking.
A combined book to let people add units to theircarmy without gaving to buy 9 codexes is also a good idea. I would expect it to just be a compliation book, which would not preclude the possibility of a sisters codex later. It would also give them an excuse to trial plastic sisters.

**Paradigm**

It could be quite a cool way for including other Imperial factions in an army without needing to commit to a full detachment for each. While you can add GK, Deathwatch or Sisters into a force now, you're still confined to the FOC or a formation so you can't just stick one squad in and stay Battleforged.

If this book has, say basic Troops squads for GK, DW and sisters, Inquisitors in HQs, Assassins and auxiliaries like Psykers in Elites, maybe something AdMech in Heavy Support, it'd mean you could add a small amount of each to any Imperial force, or go for a dedicated detachment if you want access to their specific or special options like GK Dreadknights, DW Termies or Skitarii Dunecrawlers.

And I'd be all for that. If you could have a single detachment consisting of an Inquisitor, an Assassin, a GK Terminator squad and a Sisters squad and plug it into a larger SM or IG force and keep it battleforged, that'd be really quite useful.

**H.B.M.C.**

But guys! The Traitor Legions are all broken up. They shouldn't get special rules. Meanwhile Loyalist Chapter #11s-D just got their own Chapter Tactics! Wooo!

Nah! Screw that. Legion Rules! YAY!

As far as the Imperial Agents go... hey Kyoto, 'member this:

In that there was an Imperial Agents army list. It had Assassins, Grey Knights, Sisters, Ad Mech, Adeptus Astra Telepathica and so on. Looks like it's back.

**Messiah**

usernamesareannoying wrote:
wow...
i must admit that its been a while since ive looked at 40k let alone the chaos codex but since when can power armor guys use an assault cannon and where do the tzaangor fit in?

I can't answer about the tzaangor. I know there is old fluff about them on the sorcerors planet, but the assault cannon, since Space Crusade (1990), together with chaos androids (i.e. necrons).

**alphaecho**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
But guys! The Traitor Legions are all broken up. They shouldn't get special rules. Meanwhile Loyalist Chapter #11s-D just got their own Chapter Tactics! Wooo!

Nah! Screw that. Legion Rules! YAY!

As far as the Imperial Agents go... hey Kyoto, 'member this:

In that there was an Imperial Agents army list. It had Assassins, Grey Knights, Sisters, Ad Mech, Adeptus Astra Telepathica and so on. Looks like it's back.

That's a whole can of worms there.

Toughness 8 level 4 Squat Ancestor Lord can of worms.

**Fayric**

Imperial agents sounds like a compilation of existing stuff spread out over various documents (some only available in digital), and boosted with some new formations and extra gear/traits.
Sounds great! I would buy it at release.
I love fooling around with asassins and inquisitorial stuff, but its horrible to navigate the rules.

**ZebioLizard2**

usernamesareannoying wrote:
wow...
i must admit that its been a while since ive looked at 40k let alone the chaos codex but since when can power armor guys use an assault cannon and where do the tzaangor fit in?

Maybe they finally realize Rubrics need actual weapons beyond bolters.

**Merellin**

Welp.. Thats it.. I'm joining Chaos. I give my life to Lord Tzeentch! Thousand Sons here I come!

**Thommy H**

Paradigm wrote:
It could be quite a cool way for including other Imperial factions in an army without needing to commit to a full detachment for each. While you can add GK, Deathwatch or Sisters into a force now, you're still confined to the FOC or a formation so you can't just stick one squad in and stay Battleforged.

If this book has, say basic Troops squads for GK, DW and sisters, Inquisitors in HQs, Assassins and auxiliaries like Psykers in Elites, maybe something AdMech in Heavy Support, it'd mean you could add a small amount of each to any Imperial force, or go for a dedicated detachment if you want access to their specific or special options like GK Dreadknights, DW Termies or Skitarii Dunecrawlers.

And I'd be all for that. If you could have a single detachment consisting of an Inquisitor, an Assassin, a GK Terminator squad and a Sisters squad and plug it into a larger SM or IG force and keep it battleforged, that'd be really quite useful.

You can already do most of that though - the Inquisitor detachment only has one HQ as a compulsory choice so you can just add an Inquisitor. Likewise, the Officio Assassinorium one is just an Elites choice. Deathwatch formations can be as small as one squad led by a character, all being treated as a single unit, just like the Kill Teams of previous editions. An Allied Detachment can just be an HQ and a Troops choice as well.

What I'm saying is that GW has been intentionally building in ways to field 'Imperial Agents' as allies for a while now so it seems a retrograde step to go "hey, you can include Deathwatch now!" when a 3-month old Codex already allows you to do that.

I dunno. Stranger things have happened, but the copy from Reddit just reads like someone wishlisting for stuff people have been asking for for years, not realising GW already gave them it! It's like a 'rumour' that superheavies are going to be in codecies or Genestealer Cults are coming back; things the community have been reflexively asking for for so long, they've forgotten they actually happened.

**Sidstyler**

I was practically floored when my brother showed me the leaked TS pics earlier. Not only is it actually happening but it's a much bigger release than anticipated on top of that, and the models all look amazing. Somehow the 40k tzaangors don't look quite the way I would have liked but everything else is great.

Chain-khopesh!

**Nevelon**

I’m a bit torn on an Imperial Agents type of book. On one hand, it’s shelling out for a codex to add one squad to my army. I hate that. On the flip side, it’s one codex that would let me add a wide variety of one-squads to my army. I’m more OK with that. Especially as I have a number of things that would be covered by this book sitting on the shelf.

It would let the digital only books get some dead tree love.
It would act as a gateway. Start with one squad of deathwatch/SoB/etc, then move into a full army. Or start with an assassin, then add an inquisitor, etc.

**Dowager Countess M**

The sorcerer kit looks like it's going to be a treasure trove of TSons bits, and the Ahriman is quite superb, with the pose like that of the cover of Ahriman: Exile. I quite like the new chicken feet of the jump pack sorcerer, it's reminiscent of the old raptors. The rubric marines and tartaros terminators look great as well, and I like the corrupted 30k armour aesthetic. The fact that the Tzaangors are monopose is annoying, but it's nothing a little converting can't solve. This release is great, and it's awesome to have some new Tzeentch stuff.

**Roknar**

Do we know anything about an actual codex. I'll probably splurge for a limited edition but I'm not keen on getting wrath of magnus and a codex. Unless there would be new formations and what have you, but that seems unlikely if we do get a codex later on.

It still seems weird to me that they would introduce a new faction in a campaign supplement book.

**JohnnyHell**

Pretty. Very pretty.

**General Kroll**

I'm not buying that agents rumour just yet. Mainly as it was attached to that Chaos Legions rumour. For a start that says it's an add on to codex space Marines, which would be bizarre.

Panda and Atia have both told us the Codexes are done for this edition too haven't they?

**ERJAK**

unmercifulconker wrote:
Guess we will see next week, not long till the WD hits our letterboxes. I thought the Agents book was fake at first but now im thinking its real.

God I hope not, I don't want SoB to have to share a codex with a bunch of worthless peons. That said the wyrdvane psyker thing is what make me think it isn't real or is being misrepresented.

**Crimson**

I hope the Agents rumour is true. They could put SoS in in too.

And ton the people saying that Inquisitors already have rules and can be included, those are hella outdated. The whole inq codex is just a copypaste from now outdated (6th ed?) GK codex.

(EDIT: Actually I am pretty certain this rumour is true, I just recently scratchbuilt three inquisitors. It is a surefire way to guarantee that a new codex will be released and the equipment choices of the converted models are rendered obsolete.)

**Slayer-Fan123**

Now all we need are rules leaks...