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 Ratius wrote:
Why the Logan hate?

People complain about Calgar being a Marty Stu but he never beat the demon out of a weapon.

Plus being the leader of one of the most obnoxious chapters doesn't help.

If there were an overarching logic behind GW's decisions on character fatalities, you would expect those whose models were in resin (Arjac, Stern), ancient (Ragnar, Stern, Azrael, Ezekiel) or who had no model at all (all those other miscellaneous Wolf Lords) to be the ones to buy the farm.

I think Logan's actual death in this campaign about as likely as Magnus' or Ahriman's.

GW made a plastic Eldrad a decade after killing him off in the fluff.

Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.

Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.

thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.

He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.

Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.

And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
No clarification on the potential 1ksons rules split between Wrath of Magnus and Traitor legions? Looks like I'll have to try this patience thing people keep telling me about and wait until both books are out.

You'll be able to see Saturday what's in Wrath of Magnus, unless it's spoiled this week, which is entirely possible.

I just want to see his stupid fething sleigh destroyed. Grimnar himself is fine.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Why the Logan hate?

People complain about Calgar being a Marty Stu but he never beat the demon out of a weapon.

Plus being the leader of one of the most obnoxious chapters doesn't help.

Or he got the Rune and Iron Priests to do it. It's amazing how many issues in 40k vanish when you apply a tiny bit of common sense.

pm713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Why the Logan hate?

People complain about Calgar being a Marty Stu but he never beat the demon out of a weapon.

Plus being the leader of one of the most obnoxious chapters doesn't help.

Or he got the Rune and Iron Priests to do it. It's amazing how many issues in 40k vanish when you apply a tiny bit of common sense.

Except when has that ever happened anywhere else in the 40K universe?

Hell, even the Grey Knights weren't able to exorcise the daemon out of Crowe's sword and getting rid of daemons is their speciality.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Why the Logan hate?

People complain about Calgar being a Marty Stu but he never beat the demon out of a weapon.

Plus being the leader of one of the most obnoxious chapters doesn't help.

Or he got the Rune and Iron Priests to do it. It's amazing how many issues in 40k vanish when you apply a tiny bit of common sense.

Except when has that ever happened anywhere else in the 40K universe?

Hell, even the Grey Knights weren't able to exorcise the daemon out of Crowe's sword and getting rid of daemons is their speciality.

Last I checked not all Daemons are the same.

Logan is mortal, Magnus is immortal

Mortal characters in GW land have plot armor
Immortal characters such as daemons do not

The space marine always beat the daemon, even if the daemon is vastly more powerful, because GW

 lord_blackfang wrote:
GW made a plastic Eldrad a decade after killing him off in the fluff.

And how many years after having retconned him to not have died after all? Nine?

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.

He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.

Exactly the same logic, however, would apply to killing Ragnar, or indeed any other named character, so that's no kind of compelling argument for the likelihood of Logan's death. Don't confuse reasons his death would be narratively satisfying with reasons GW are likely to actually kill the character off.

How do we have nothing at all on rules yet? The facebook team even said GW proper is going to give us some information on the rules. Stop slacking rumour-mongers

So excited for Legions, it feels like I have been waiting forever for GW to get around to actually giving CSM flavour again.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Why the Logan hate?

People complain about Calgar being a Marty Stu but he never beat the demon out of a weapon.

Plus being the leader of one of the most obnoxious chapters doesn't help.

Or he got the Rune and Iron Priests to do it. It's amazing how many issues in 40k vanish when you apply a tiny bit of common sense.

Except when has that ever happened anywhere else in the 40K universe?

Hell, even the Grey Knights weren't able to exorcise the daemon out of Crowe's sword and getting rid of daemons is their speciality.

That's because the grey knights want to keep the daemon in that sword where it is trapped, rather than exorcizing it where it can come back later just to use the weapon.

wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?

LightKing wrote:
wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?

I believe the word that was used was "almost". Russ is 10,000 years older than Grimnar and has seen far more conflict.

The guy on the right is clearly petitioning that Axe beats Rock.

 mrhappyface wrote:

LightKing wrote:
wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?

I believe the word that was used was "almost". Russ is 10,000 years older than Grimnar and has seen far more conflict.

i meant in pure power and fighting ability...does Logan surpass Russ?

LightKing wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

LightKing wrote:
wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?

I believe the word that was used was "almost". Russ is 10,000 years older than Grimnar and has seen far more conflict.

i meant in pure power and fighting ability...does Logan surpass Russ?

Russ is a Primarch, so no. Logan could be a complete badass, though.

 kronk wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

LightKing wrote:
wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?

I believe the word that was used was "almost". Russ is 10,000 years older than Grimnar and has seen far more conflict.

i meant in pure power and fighting ability...does Logan surpass Russ?

Russ is a Primarch, so no. Logan could be a complete badass, though.

Primarchs are superior to 30k regular astartes

but Primarchs compared to 40k regular astartes are equal

LightKing wrote:

 kronk wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

LightKing wrote:
wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?

I believe the word that was used was "almost". Russ is 10,000 years older than Grimnar and has seen far more conflict.

i meant in pure power and fighting ability...does Logan surpass Russ?

Russ is a Primarch, so no. Logan could be a complete badass, though.

Primarchs are superior to 30k regular astartes

but Primarchs compared to 40k regular astartes are equal

No fething way.

Sorry. You're wrong. A citation of some type is needed to support your claim.

The ONLY thing that 40k Space Marines have on 30k Marines is And They Shall Know No Fear.

Via Wraithwing on B&C, the original source is Warseer (on FB)



- 2 campaign books featuring Dark Angels and The Fallen
- Models for Luther, Merir Astelan and Lion El Johnson

Link: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328036-the-hunt-da-the-fallen-luther-the-lion/

Sounds interesting

LightKing wrote:

 kronk wrote:

LightKing wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

LightKing wrote:
wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?

I believe the word that was used was "almost". Russ is 10,000 years older than Grimnar and has seen far more conflict.

i meant in pure power and fighting ability...does Logan surpass Russ?

Russ is a Primarch, so no. Logan could be a complete badass, though.

Primarchs are superior to 30k regular astartes

but Primarchs compared to 40k regular astartes are equal

Holy crap! I want what you're one good sir! 40k Marines are actually worse off genetically than 30k. Only technology gives them some form of advantage and that's even debatable considering they lost most of it. Primarchs have the strength of hundreds of marines.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.

Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.

thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.

He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.

Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.

And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.

What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?

Dude, you're all over these threads with questions that are, are best, tangential to the subject.

If you've got questions, 40K Wiki is a great first port of call, if not, then the 40K background and general discussion are the best place for "could x beat y in a fight" type discussion.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Interesting to see so many wolf-lords in one place... who's missing? Oh, wait, none of them.

 mrhappyface wrote:
More like the SW keep ruining are fun.

Or that SWs are the douche waffles of Warhammer. Buncha lousy A-holes.

LightKing wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.

Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.

thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.

He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.

Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.

And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.

What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?

Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.

Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.

Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.

Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.

Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.

Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.

Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.

From what I've read, Logan, the Wolves, and the Salamanders are just plain bros to humans. They love the little sacs of flesh. Every other chapter, as you said, would peace out as soon as the GK decided on genocide.

That artwork is from Part 1, so I wouldn't use it to figure out which, if any, wolf lords are dead in Part 2.