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Hence my "if it ever comes to that" comment. It shouldn't ever come to that, but if it does and for whatever reason you really need that Avatar dead and Magnus is busy flying he can D power it.

So it's confirmed that Wrath of Magnus doesn't include any formation for GK and DA?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really hope the 'Guilinaught' rumour is a load of BS. Sounds super-stupid.

It all sounds completely fething moronic. If that's going to be the calibre of fluff going forward we'd be as well to hold the funeral for 40K now, or we'll be in a Weekend at Bernie's situation and the corpse will be reekin'.

EDIT: Oh, and while I doubt this will end up being right, just a word for anyone who immediately jumps to "Pff, nah, that's totes ridiculous, never gonna happen." - yes, it is totes ridiculous, but so are all the various hinted returns of Primarchs. It's not as if "digital reincarnation into a clone body" is somehow orders of magnitude more silly than "comes back from a hell dimension as a giant werewolf" or "has been pulling a Sleeping Beauty for 10,000 years watched by little robed aliens but will come back to life at exactly the right moment in plot" - it's all silly, because it was all meant to be mythical prophesy not actual story. I doubt when they were writing all the hints at how 40K would "end" they ever thought the company would be stupid enough to actually advance the timeline and play out those events, and now they are all bets are off because the existing fluff has already established that the End Times of 40K turns the dial up from 11 to 15 while playing a non-stop guitar solo - normal definitions of plausiblity are out the window.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really hope the 'Guilinaught' rumour is a load of BS. Sounds super-stupid.

It all sounds completely fething moronic. If that's going to be the calibre of fluff going forward we'd be as well to hold the funeral for 40K now, or we'll be in a Weekend at Bernie's situation and the corpse will be reekin'.

I feel a funeral pyre would be nice and symbolic but burning plastic can produce some nasty fumes.

But in al seriousness, considering it was the quality of the fluff of death bed Warhammer Fantasy, and is the current tier of lore that populates Age of Sigmar, it's all very much possible.

I can't wait to pay $250 + for an ultramarine blue Buzz Lightyear, or Ferrus's head in a jar on a giant robot body. In fact, I'm dissapointed nobody's brain got put in a gorilla!

Joyboozer wrote:
I can't wait to pay $250 + for an ultramarine blue Buzz Lightyear, or Ferrus's head in a jar on a giant robot body. In fact, I'm dissapointed nobody's brain got put in a gorilla!

I can do that for you, I like converting. BTW how much is that in real money

I don't mind them bringing back primarchs, so long as it's primarchs that make sense. Like the lion or maybe even guilliman, I mean, He's got to be done healing at some point right? But bringing Ferrus Manus back?...
That's like bringing Horus back and making him emperor 2.0 now that the haze was lifted from his eyes just before being obliterated. I get that it means some people won't be getting their primarchs back, but that would be just wrong. Let the dead rest in peace.
And the guillinaught sounds like stephen hawking in space to me lol. Just keep him in statis but build a suit around it which works because plot.

Also I would imagine TSons are still stuck with at least one god power. They seem to still be csm in every way that matters, they just get the option now to take all of their rolls on the table.
Which also gives ahriman a better chance of rolling that new D power for triple D fun.

And woot to exalted sorcerers. Can't wait for the traitor legion supplement now.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That's the power.

It's from Warzone Fenris Part 1: Curse of the Wulfen as part of the updated Change Discipline. I'm not sure if it got reprinted in Part 2: Wrath of Magnus though.

I haven't seen the updated Change Discipline, or any of the other updated ones. Thanks for that.

As TS-player since 3,5, I'm looking forward to this release, however I'm slightly surprised that we've heard nothing about Screamers/Flamers/Lords of Change.

Maybe they won't be a part of the supplement/formations, or GW decided that there's nothing worth changing about them. Anyone knows?

 MinscS2 wrote:
As TS-player since 3,5, I'm looking forward to this release, however I'm slightly surprised that we've heard nothing about Screamers/Flamers/Lords of Change.

Maybe they won't be a part of the supplement/formations, or GW decided that there's nothing worth changing about them. Anyone knows?

There is a supplement for sure. I know in the collectors edition it is at least a seperate book. It may be possible that there rules didn't change all that much?

Lords of Change can be taken as a command (or maybe aux?) choice in the new TS decurion - I don't know if/how their rules change in a CSM detachment, though.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
OK, I saw the Gaze of Magnus rule.

Does anyone else think it is utterly ridiculous to add Soul Blaze to a strength D beam? What are you lighting on fire, ashes?

Not everything dies from a single Str D attack. However, most of the stuff not killed by a Str D attack isn't going to have much problems from Soul Blaze. I suppose it is just for fun.

Well lets say you hit 4 guys from a 10 man unit. You utterly destroy those 4 leaving 6 to be set on fire with soul blaze. Not pointless.

If only Soulblaze would be "tiered" you know?, for each subsequent Soulblaze marker on a unit, the hits are resolved with +1 in S and AP, or more hits, going from D3 to D6.

Or at least stacking of some sort.

If it could pile up to 5d3 hits once you pile a few soul blaze shots, it could actually be rather useful for horde control.

Sounds nice maybe op.


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Soul blaze is meant to be subtle adding up over the course of the game though in some games it might be to no effect.

Well it really depends on what the target is, S4 AP5 hits on MeQ or better is nothing to write home about.

on anything else tough...

Killed off an IG command sqaud because they din't drop'n roll to extinguish the flames, din't even need to do anything to them, they just died on themselfs.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really hope the 'Guilinaught' rumour is a load of BS. Sounds super-stupid.

It all sounds completely fething moronic. If that's going to be the calibre of fluff going forward we'd be as well to hold the funeral for 40K now, or we'll be in a Weekend at Bernie's situation and the corpse will be reekin'.

EDIT: Oh, and while I doubt this will end up being right, just a word for anyone who immediately jumps to "Pff, nah, that's totes ridiculous, never gonna happen." - yes, it is totes ridiculous, but so are all the various hinted returns of Primarchs. It's not as if "digital reincarnation into a clone body" is somehow orders of magnitude more silly than "comes back from a hell dimension as a giant werewolf" or "has been pulling a Sleeping Beauty for 10,000 years watched by little robed aliens but will come back to life at exactly the right moment in plot" - it's all silly, because it was all meant to be mythical prophesy not actual story. I doubt when they were writing all the hints at how 40K would "end" they ever thought the company would be stupid enough to actually advance the timeline and play out those events, and now they are all bets are off because the existing fluff has already established that the End Times of 40K turns the dial up from 11 to 15 while playing a non-stop guitar solo - normal definitions of plausiblity are out the window.

I'm just glad that I'm in curent-background-ignoring mode for at least a decade now, so I have practice in blocking out the current (and past, eh, Ward) design studios...work.

And the Warhammer world never blew up. Oh yeah.

Any news on the daemon formations in this book ? I have read so much about boring CSM, but I found not much what this books brings for daemons!

Lathain wrote:
So it's confirmed that Wrath of Magnus doesn't include any formation for GK and DA?

The GW website lists a general outline of whats included and it doesn't list anything for the Imperium.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Well it really depends on what the target is, S4 AP5 hits on MeQ or better is nothing to write home about.

on anything else tough...

Killed off an IG command sqaud because they din't drop'n roll to extinguish the flames, din't even need to do anything to them, they just died on themselfs.

Cool moment for Soul blaze for sure.
Yeah I could see it being feast or famine. A good reason why it does not stack.

Still not so much as a hint what's inside the traitor supplement?

I don't know much about Chaos. What is "soul blaze" that people are talking about?

It's a universal special rule lol. It's in the rule book

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really hope the 'Guilinaught' rumour is a load of BS. Sounds super-stupid.

It all sounds completely fething moronic. If that's going to be the calibre of fluff going forward we'd be as well to hold the funeral for 40K now, or we'll be in a Weekend at Bernie's situation and the corpse will be reekin'.

EDIT: Oh, and while I doubt this will end up being right, just a word for anyone who immediately jumps to "Pff, nah, that's totes ridiculous, never gonna happen." - yes, it is totes ridiculous, but so are all the various hinted returns of Primarchs. It's not as if "digital reincarnation into a clone body" is somehow orders of magnitude more silly than "comes back from a hell dimension as a giant werewolf" or "has been pulling a Sleeping Beauty for 10,000 years watched by little robed aliens but will come back to life at exactly the right moment in plot" - it's all silly, because it was all meant to be mythical prophesy not actual story. I doubt when they were writing all the hints at how 40K would "end" they ever thought the company would be stupid enough to actually advance the timeline and play out those events, and now they are all bets are off because the existing fluff has already established that the End Times of 40K turns the dial up from 11 to 15 while playing a non-stop guitar solo - normal definitions of plausiblity are out the window.

I don't understand how werewolf russ or Dreadnought Girlyman is more ridiculous than 1. A giant snake man 2. A Horn nippled giant chicken 3. The entirety of the mechanicus religion 4. The Daemonculaba 5. Space Vampires 6. A different kind of space vampires 7. The idea that none of the unique named characters have had the gak murdered out of them by an errant artillery strike or an Eldar D-Cannon 8. Space Sharks 9. Space rape demons 10. Cathedrals that are also spaceships 11. Space murder batman 12. FTL only being possible by going directly through hell 13. Between 10-50 thousand space marines being relevant on a galactic scale, especially with how unpredictable the warp is. 14. Servitors. 15. The fall of mankind's galactic empire being summed up by 'Daddy didn't let me play with my toys!' 16. The fact that out of the 13.5 primarchs that were alive at the end of horus heresy, only the traitors are still canonically around while the loyalists all conveniently disappeared. 16. Seriously, Khan, Vulkan, Girlyman, Russ, Dorn, The Lion, and Corvus all just vanish but on the other end just Alpharius is M.I.A? WTF?

40k is silly. The setting is absolutely bonkers and is utterly transmutable. New fluff is too dumb for how dumb the world currently is? Retcon it! They rolled back and entire black crusade for feth's sake.

As daft/improbable/kick ass(take your pick ) as Hulkbuster Gulliman sounds. It would answer the questions of how you make a non demon primarch fresh out of stasis different from his 30k model and fit in the same size/price bracket as Magnus.

What's the new warpstorm table and can I use the WoM horrors in a warpflame host?

ERJAK wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really hope the 'Guilinaught' rumour is a load of BS. Sounds super-stupid.

It all sounds completely fething moronic. If that's going to be the calibre of fluff going forward we'd be as well to hold the funeral for 40K now, or we'll be in a Weekend at Bernie's situation and the corpse will be reekin'.

EDIT: Oh, and while I doubt this will end up being right, just a word for anyone who immediately jumps to "Pff, nah, that's totes ridiculous, never gonna happen." - yes, it is totes ridiculous, but so are all the various hinted returns of Primarchs. It's not as if "digital reincarnation into a clone body" is somehow orders of magnitude more silly than "comes back from a hell dimension as a giant werewolf" or "has been pulling a Sleeping Beauty for 10,000 years watched by little robed aliens but will come back to life at exactly the right moment in plot" - it's all silly, because it was all meant to be mythical prophesy not actual story. I doubt when they were writing all the hints at how 40K would "end" they ever thought the company would be stupid enough to actually advance the timeline and play out those events, and now they are all bets are off because the existing fluff has already established that the End Times of 40K turns the dial up from 11 to 15 while playing a non-stop guitar solo - normal definitions of plausiblity are out the window.

I don't understand how werewolf russ or Dreadnought Girlyman is more ridiculous than 1. A giant snake man 2. A Horn nippled giant chicken 3. The entirety of the mechanicus religion 4. The Daemonculaba 5. Space Vampires 6. A different kind of space vampires 7. The idea that none of the unique named characters have had the gak murdered out of them by an errant artillery strike or an Eldar D-Cannon 8. Space Sharks 9. Space rape demons 10. Cathedrals that are also spaceships 11. Space murder batman 12. FTL only being possible by going directly through hell 13. Between 10-50 thousand space marines being relevant on a galactic scale, especially with how unpredictable the warp is. 14. Servitors. 15. The fall of mankind's galactic empire being summed up by 'Daddy didn't let me play with my toys!' 16. The fact that out of the 13.5 primarchs that were alive at the end of horus heresy, only the traitors are still canonically around while the loyalists all conveniently disappeared. 16. Seriously, Khan, Vulkan, Girlyman, Russ, Dorn, The Lion, and Corvus all just vanish but on the other end just Alpharius is M.I.A? WTF?

40k is silly. The setting is absolutely bonkers and is utterly transmutable. New fluff is too dumb for how dumb the world currently is? Retcon it! They rolled back and entire black crusade for feth's sake.

The Carcharodons Astra are awesome take that back.

ERJAK wrote:
The fact that out of the 13.5 primarchs that were alive at the end of horus heresy, only the traitors are still canonically around while the loyalists all conveniently disappeared. 16. Seriously, Khan, Vulkan, Girlyman, Russ, Dorn, The Lion, and Corvus all just vanish but on the other end just Alpharius is M.I.A? WTF?

In the old fluff, the primarch were not immortal, the loyal ones either died of old age (e.g. went to live on a farm.. No, I mean went off into the eye of terror with an entire thirteenth of the chapter), or were preserved in stasis, while the illoyal ones had chaos to prolong their life, or lived in the warp, where time had no meaning.

ERJAK wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I really hope the 'Guilinaught' rumour is a load of BS. Sounds super-stupid.

...

...16. Seriously, Khan, Vulkan, Girlyman, Russ, Dorn, The Lion, and Corvus all just vanish but on the other end just Alpharius is M.I.A? WTF?

Also didn't Lorgar lock himself in a tower and say "I won't come out until Chaos tells me to"? I don't see how that's functionally any different from the Lion's 40,000 year naptime.

Russ went on his vendetta into the eye of terror.
Corax was also seen heading for the eye of terror.
The Lion is in stasis in the Rock.
Vulkan is doing whatever perpetuals do while they wait for their followers to reunite relics.
Guillman is doing his best Lenin impersonation, until he heals.
Dorn is MIA after leading a boarding action.
Khan disappeared into the Maelstrom pursued by Dark eldar.

As far as their lifespan not even the primarchs know how long they'll live.