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 nintura wrote:
So you honestly think Primarchs conquered the known galaxy, which is roughly 100,000 light years across, in the span of what you think a Primarchs lifetime is? It would have taken them thousands of years to even make the travel, let alone the whole conquering part. By this alone, a primarch's life span would have to be thousands if not tens of thousands of years.

I will assume that you din't read any of the HH fluff or books, since its explained in them that the Great Crusade lasted 200-300years iirc( someone can confirm this if they want).

Also the fluff established a long time ago that the Primarchs lifespan was in the 500-600-ish years, that all those that survived the heresy, simply died out of extreme age( bare for those who mysterously dissapeared and are Prophetised to come back at the end of times, yeah convinient i know)

The Dante's case is a particular one, since no one knows how the heck he's alive, either someone else in the Chapter takes up his armor and mask and then the name Dante is a Legacy passed on, or ...well since BA are kinda Space Vampires with all their blood exchange/infusion, he has acces to a life extending technology.

Its said in the fluff that the Great Crusade expansion was really really fast, with entiere Legions of Millions of Space Marines, and countless NAvy and IG devided into expeditionary groups and scattered all over the galaxy, it took them decades to reach the outskirts of the galaxy and a century to consildate their Power over the Galaxy.

At the time the Warp wasn't has brutal as it is now, it was still dangerous, but its really towards the end of the Great Crusade and at the start of the HH that SM had their first conflicts with Daemons, prior to that, they Though Daemons where simply another Xeno race that lived in the Warp.

When you factor all this, yeah, they conquered at an incredible pace the galaxy, and it din't take them a millenia.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
6th Ed CSM codex doesn't have Deamonology in the list of Powers Sorcerors can take.

WoM has the daemonology powers listed for the Sorcerors and Arhiman, but Horrors don't have it.

While I agree that is odd, and a very good RAI argument, Codedices and expansions must specifically override something from the BRB for it to be RAW.
The absence of a rule that the BRB inherently grants does NOT override access to such rule.

I suspect an FAQ to address this (hopefully) and will probably disallow access to Malefic (let's hope for balance sake).
But until such FAQ is published, nothing prevents Pink, Blue or Brimstone horrors from using Malefic.

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 Galef wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
6th Ed CSM codex doesn't have Deamonology in the list of Powers Sorcerors can take.

WoM has the daemonology powers listed for the Sorcerors and Arhiman, but Horrors don't have it.

While I agree that is odd, and a very good RAI argument, Codedices and expansions must specifically override something from the BRB.
The absence of a rule that the BRB inherently grants does NOT override access to such rule.

I suspect an FAQ to address this (hopefully) and will probably disallow access to Malefic (let's hope for balance sake).
But until such FAQ is published, nothing prevents Pink, Blue or Brimstone horrors from using Malefic.

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It might very well be the case, but the wait of a FaQ for WoM would be a long one i assume, since we just got the basic rules one and still are waiting for the final version of all the codexes ones.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So you honestly think Primarchs conquered the known galaxy, which is roughly 100,000 light years across, in the span of what you think a Primarchs lifetime is? It would have taken them thousands of years to even make the travel, let alone the whole conquering part. By this alone, a primarch's life span would have to be thousands if not tens of thousands of years.

I will assume that you din't read any of the HH fluff or books, since its explained in them that the Great Crusade lasted 200-300years iirc( someone can confirm this if they want).

Also the fluff established a long time ago that the Primarchs lifespan was in the 500-600-ish years, that all those that survived the heresy, simply died out of extreme age( bare for those who mysterously dissapeared and are Prophetised to come back at the end of times, yeah convinient i know)

The Dante's case is a particular one, since no one knows how the heck he's alive, either someone else in the Chapter takes up his armor and mask and then the name Dante is a Legacy passed on, or ...well since BA are kinda Space Vampires with all their blood exchange/infusion, he has acces to a life extending technology.

Its said in the fluff that the Great Crusade expansion was really really fast, with entiere Legions of Millions of Space Marines, and countless NAvy and IG devided into expeditionary groups and scattered all over the galaxy, it took them decades to reach the outskirts of the galaxy and a century to consildate their Power over the Galaxy.

At the time the Warp wasn't has brutal as it is now, it was still dangerous, but its really towards the end of the Great Crusade and at the start of the HH that SM had their first conflicts with Daemons, prior to that, they Though Daemons where simply another Xeno race that lived in the Warp.

When you factor all this, yeah, they conquered at an incredible pace the galaxy, and it din't take them a millenia.

That's not even possible nor does it even make sense lol.

But ignoring all the impossibilities of conquering millions of planets (if not billions) in the span of a few centuries, let alone travel time getting to them, you said Primarchs died out due to old age. Which Primarchs would these be? There were more than the 18 or so first talked about?

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

It might very well be the case, but the wait of a FaQ for WoM would be a long one i assume, since we just got the basic rules one and still are waiting for the final version of all the codexes ones.

it may not be as long as you think. The Curse of the Wulfen was very new when we got the Draft FAQ, yet they including some stuff about it in there.
Hopefully the final draft FAQ for Chaos will include stuff about Wrath of Magnus.

I would be fine if Horrors did not have access to Malefic anymore, especially since they spawn guaranteed new units and still provide WC. The only thing that I would miss in my lists would be the extra chance to roll Cursed Earth or Incursion.
I still can't believe more people are not freaking out about a 90pt unit that spawns two 50pts units that spawn two 30pt units

Edit: I just realized something: If you have a Herald or other Psyker cast Sacrifice and kill 1 Pink horror, then you get 1 Herald + 2 Blue Horrors.
And until FAQ'd, a unit of 10 Pink Horrors that uses Posession will be removed and you'll get a Greater Daemon + 20 Blue Horrors....sick

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Getting a 1 on perils and the failing results in 20 blue horrors... and a cast of said spell...(if you passed the Psychic test and Perils'd)

 nintura wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 nintura wrote:
You're telling me there's more fantasy stuff in the black library than 40k? And 30k is rolled into the 40k "universe" because it's part of the lore and fluff.

Worth keeping mind # of BL books!=amount of fluff game has.

Then what would you go off of? Number of Codex? Supplements? Board games? Websites? Data?

Obviously you need to incorporate all. Codex, rpg's, white dwarf articles...it's fluff, it gets counted


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 nintura wrote:
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That's not even possible nor does it even make sense lol.

But ignoring all the impossibilities of conquering millions of planets (if not billions) in the span of a few centuries, let alone travel time getting to them, you said Primarchs died out due to old age. Which Primarchs would these be? There were more than the 18 or so first talked about?

Primarch were not fighting alone you know...give me 1000 fleets and i'll conquer 1000 times as fast as one fleet

tneva82 wrote:

 nintura wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 nintura wrote:
You're telling me there's more fantasy stuff in the black library than 40k? And 30k is rolled into the 40k "universe" because it's part of the lore and fluff.

Worth keeping mind # of BL books!=amount of fluff game has.

Then what would you go off of? Number of Codex? Supplements? Board games? Websites? Data?

Obviously you need to incorporate all. Codex, rpg's, white dwarf articles...it's fluff, it gets counted


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 nintura wrote:
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That's not even possible nor does it even make sense lol.

But ignoring all the impossibilities of conquering millions of planets (if not billions) in the span of a few centuries, let alone travel time getting to them, you said Primarchs died out due to old age. Which Primarchs would these be? There were more than the 18 or so first talked about?

Primarch were not fighting alone you know...give me 1000 fleets and i'll conquer 1000 times as fast as one fleet

Have all the troops you want, it wouldn't be enough to do it in 300 years

 nintura wrote:

Have all the troops you want, it wouldn't be enough to do it in 300 years

Yes if all troops were in same spot. They were not.

One fleet conquers 300 planet a year(often just by coming to orbit. Sometimes conquer one, conquer many at the same time). 1000 fleet therefore takes 300,000 in a year. GC lasted 200 year(not thousands. Pretty close to 200-300). That's 60,000,000 planets

Well, we've gone off track, but I dont think you understand the distance between locations and the actual size of the galaxy.

 nintura wrote:
Well, we've gone off track, but I dont think you understand the distance between locations and the actual size of the galaxy.

And you seem to be on assumption each primarch had all on one fleet.


But complain to gw. They wrote it. It's official. There's no possibility gc lasted thousands of years. Between birth of slaanes(before which gc was flat out impossible) and hh was just couple centuries.

Arque with gw. They came up with timeline. To have gc last thousands of years requires time trave' or something equally silly

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So you honestly think Primarchs conquered the known galaxy, which is roughly 100,000 light years across, in the span of what you think a Primarchs lifetime is? It would have taken them thousands of years to even make the travel, let alone the whole conquering part. By this alone, a primarch's life span would have to be thousands if not tens of thousands of years.

I will assume that you din't read any of the HH fluff or books, since its explained in them that the Great Crusade lasted 200-300years iirc( someone can confirm this if they want).

Also the fluff established a long time ago that the Primarchs lifespan was in the 500-600-ish years, that all those that survived the heresy, simply died out of extreme age( bare for those who mysterously dissapeared and are Prophetised to come back at the end of times, yeah convinient i know)

The Dante's case is a particular one, since no one knows how the heck he's alive, either someone else in the Chapter takes up his armor and mask and then the name Dante is a Legacy passed on, or ...well since BA are kinda Space Vampires with all their blood exchange/infusion, he has acces to a life extending technology.

Its said in the fluff that the Great Crusade expansion was really really fast, with entiere Legions of Millions of Space Marines, and countless NAvy and IG devided into expeditionary groups and scattered all over the galaxy, it took them decades to reach the outskirts of the galaxy and a century to consildate their Power over the Galaxy.

At the time the Warp wasn't has brutal as it is now, it was still dangerous, but its really towards the end of the Great Crusade and at the start of the HH that SM had their first conflicts with Daemons, prior to that, they Though Daemons where simply another Xeno race that lived in the Warp.

When you factor all this, yeah, they conquered at an incredible pace the galaxy, and it din't take them a millenia.

Doesn't the warp exist outside of time? If so they wouldn't come out the exact age they went in?

 Vash108 wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So you honestly think Primarchs conquered the known galaxy, which is roughly 100,000 light years across, in the span of what you think a Primarchs lifetime is? It would have taken them thousands of years to even make the travel, let alone the whole conquering part. By this alone, a primarch's life span would have to be thousands if not tens of thousands of years.

I will assume that you din't read any of the HH fluff or books, since its explained in them that the Great Crusade lasted 200-300years iirc( someone can confirm this if they want).

Also the fluff established a long time ago that the Primarchs lifespan was in the 500-600-ish years, that all those that survived the heresy, simply died out of extreme age( bare for those who mysterously dissapeared and are Prophetised to come back at the end of times, yeah convinient i know)

The Dante's case is a particular one, since no one knows how the heck he's alive, either someone else in the Chapter takes up his armor and mask and then the name Dante is a Legacy passed on, or ...well since BA are kinda Space Vampires with all their blood exchange/infusion, he has acces to a life extending technology.

Its said in the fluff that the Great Crusade expansion was really really fast, with entiere Legions of Millions of Space Marines, and countless NAvy and IG devided into expeditionary groups and scattered all over the galaxy, it took them decades to reach the outskirts of the galaxy and a century to consildate their Power over the Galaxy.

At the time the Warp wasn't has brutal as it is now, it was still dangerous, but its really towards the end of the Great Crusade and at the start of the HH that SM had their first conflicts with Daemons, prior to that, they Though Daemons where simply another Xeno race that lived in the Warp.

When you factor all this, yeah, they conquered at an incredible pace the galaxy, and it din't take them a millenia.

Doesn't the warp exist outside of time? If so they wouldn't come out the exact age they went in?

Eh, that's not quite true. It still takes time for those outside of the warp as evidenced by the books and it sometimes taking years to reach a system under attack. And warp travel isn't instantaneous, it still takes time for those inside as well. It just shortens the window, in essence it's faster than light travel, but not that much faster.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
quick question because i can't find it back, wasn't there a formation for the Daemons that doubled the amounts of Horrors spawing from the Split rule?

exalted locus of creation (35 pts), pg 57

Vet may I ask what the Icon of Flame does now?

Icon of flame for CSW TS unit: any weapons with "Bolter" have soul blaze

Icon of fire: Tz demons: demons in this unit have soul blaze in close combat attacks

That is not quite correct nintura. Time does not travel linearly in the warp. It is entirely possible (and has happened) that some fleets have arrived at star systems before they were actually ordered to leave or the system even requested help.

People in the warp experience time but the time they experience could have absolutely no correlation to the time experienced by those outside the warp, or even others within the warp. So you could have two people enter the warp at the same time and one experiences a longer time than the other in the warp (say he thinks he was in there for 100 years and the other guy thinks he was in there for 5 minutes) but also leaves the warp sooner than the other from the point of view of an observer outside the warp.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
That is not quite correct nintura. Time does not travel linearly in the warp. It is entirely possible (and has happened) that some fleets have arrived at star systems before they were actually ordered to leave or the system even requested help.

People in the warp experience time but the time they experience could have absolutely no correlation to the time experienced by those outside the warp, or even others within the warp. So you could have two people enter the warp at the same time and one experiences a longer time than the other in the warp but also leaves the warp sooner than the other from the point of view of an observer outside the warp.

Thats literally throwing your hands up in the air and pro-claiming "Hell if I know"

Yes you are correct, but I was referring to the parts we know in which warp travel was taking linearly because anything else is literally a random throw of the dice.

 Wilson wrote:
I learned a few pretty cool things today about the future of 40k that I can't keep to myself but must keep the source identity as anonymous as he is a part of the design team...

Spoiler:

Next primarch release is Guiliman in a sort of dreadnight suit. Following him will be Ferrus! In short, his spirit lived on in the machine, so somehow he was cloned and is genetically reborn on Mars. Following those two is demon mortation.

The general jist is that ALL major primarchs are on there way back with the exception of Horus, Sanguinius, Curze etc.

It'll be a final seige on Terra and the next campaign will build up to the demon primarchs breaking in to the emperors throne room and confronting the man himself before the lights go out. No clue what happens after that!

In terms of rules for the next edition, all that was said was that scatter dice would be a thing of the past.

That just sounds awful.

 nintura wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 nintura wrote:
So you honestly think Primarchs conquered the known galaxy, which is roughly 100,000 light years across, in the span of what you think a Primarchs lifetime is? It would have taken them thousands of years to even make the travel, let alone the whole conquering part. By this alone, a primarch's life span would have to be thousands if not tens of thousands of years.

I will assume that you din't read any of the HH fluff or books, since its explained in them that the Great Crusade lasted 200-300years iirc( someone can confirm this if they want).

Also the fluff established a long time ago that the Primarchs lifespan was in the 500-600-ish years, that all those that survived the heresy, simply died out of extreme age( bare for those who mysterously dissapeared and are Prophetised to come back at the end of times, yeah convinient i know)

The Dante's case is a particular one, since no one knows how the heck he's alive, either someone else in the Chapter takes up his armor and mask and then the name Dante is a Legacy passed on, or ...well since BA are kinda Space Vampires with all their blood exchange/infusion, he has acces to a life extending technology.

Its said in the fluff that the Great Crusade expansion was really really fast, with entiere Legions of Millions of Space Marines, and countless NAvy and IG devided into expeditionary groups and scattered all over the galaxy, it took them decades to reach the outskirts of the galaxy and a century to consildate their Power over the Galaxy.

At the time the Warp wasn't has brutal as it is now, it was still dangerous, but its really towards the end of the Great Crusade and at the start of the HH that SM had their first conflicts with Daemons, prior to that, they Though Daemons where simply another Xeno race that lived in the Warp.

When you factor all this, yeah, they conquered at an incredible pace the galaxy, and it din't take them a millenia.

Doesn't the warp exist outside of time? If so they wouldn't come out the exact age they went in?

Eh, that's not quite true. It still takes time for those outside of the warp as evidenced by the books and it sometimes taking years to reach a system under attack. And warp travel isn't instantaneous, it still takes time for those inside as well. It just shortens the window, in essence it's faster than light travel, but not that much faster.

No, it depends. There's mention in the fluff - can't remember where, but I know I read it - of ships coming out of the Warp and encountering themselves before they leave. Time is mutable in the Warp, which translates into "whatever the writers need it to be."

Lol yeah, pretty much. For a fun point though, I thought it would be interesting to note that there is a way to make this all possible, and not with "magic travel".

There is a high enough velocity that will allow you to travel to any point instantaneously, despite the distance. An easy way to understand this is Star Treks "Warp 10", using the new definition, not the old one (there have been ships that broke warp 10 but this was later reduced as they condensed all speeds).

Warp 10 was a theoretical speed in which the traveler occupies all possible spaces in the universe simultaneously. To imagine this, think that you have an apple in your hand, you can point at any part of it and be there. Except that apple is all of the universe. It's kinda like you step out of your universe which becomes a little ball.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
That is not quite correct nintura. Time does not travel linearly in the warp. It is entirely possible (and has happened) that some fleets have arrived at star systems before they were actually ordered to leave or the system even requested help.

People in the warp experience time but the time they experience could have absolutely no correlation to the time experienced by those outside the warp, or even others within the warp. So you could have two people enter the warp at the same time and one experiences a longer time than the other in the warp (say he thinks he was in there for 100 years and the other guy thinks he was in there for 5 minutes) but also leaves the warp sooner than the other from the point of view of an observer outside the warp.

The warp sounds very... Chaotic
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 Vash108 wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
That is not quite correct nintura. Time does not travel linearly in the warp. It is entirely possible (and has happened) that some fleets have arrived at star systems before they were actually ordered to leave or the system even requested help.

People in the warp experience time but the time they experience could have absolutely no correlation to the time experienced by those outside the warp, or even others within the warp. So you could have two people enter the warp at the same time and one experiences a longer time than the other in the warp (say he thinks he was in there for 100 years and the other guy thinks he was in there for 5 minutes) but also leaves the warp sooner than the other from the point of view of an observer outside the warp.

The warp sounds very... Chaotic
•_•)
( •_•)>⌐■-■
(⌐■_■)

Just. Get. Out.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Icon of fire: Tz demons: demons in this unit have soul blaze in close combat attacks

Would it be possible for you to tell us how much the relics cost?

Also, can you elaborate on the Daemons side of things? what does the tzeentch warpstorm table look like? what are the benifits of a "daemons of tzeentch detachment"? not the tzeench daemon decurion, but the "you can make any daemons detachment a tzeentch daemon detachment" bit, like the thousand sons. (is that even a thing?)

Guys, take all this talk about Primarchs and travel times to the Background forum. This is about the new releases for Chaos.

On topic: Anything new on Traitor Legions yet?

 Wilson wrote:
I learned a few pretty cool things today about the future of 40k that I can't keep to myself but must keep the source identity as anonymous as he is a part of the design team...

Spoiler:

Next primarch release is Guiliman in a sort of dreadnight suit. Following him will be Ferrus! In short, his spirit lived on in the machine, so somehow he was cloned and is genetically reborn on Mars. Following those two is demon mortation.

The general jist is that ALL major primarchs are on there way back with the exception of Horus, Sanguinius, Curze etc.

It'll be a final seige on Terra and the next campaign will build up to the demon primarchs breaking in to the emperors throne room and confronting the man himself before the lights go out. No clue what happens after that!

In terms of rules for the next edition, all that was said was that scatter dice would be a thing of the past.

Well, this sounds like a giant pile of gak.

Ferrus? Being cloned and reborn on Mars?

Hold me whilst I laugh until my sides bleed.

Ferrus is dead. Deader than dead. Cloning Primarchs....doesn't really work - we know this from Fabius Bile's attempts. Please note that Fabius is probably the most capable geneticist alive after the Emperor and well, one of them is sat in a golden throne and not saying much.

Reborn on Mars? No no no. Have you not paid attention the past 3 editions where it was STRONGLY indicated that Mars' cult is probably very, very deeply rooted in the C'tan of the Void Dragon? They're not about to spontaneously poop out a clone of Ferrus - for one thing, Mars doesn't do genetics. You can't extract genetic material from a machine.

The fact you list the dead ones as the exception and try to push a dead one as coming back says horsegak.

 nintura wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
That is not quite correct nintura. Time does not travel linearly in the warp. It is entirely possible (and has happened) that some fleets have arrived at star systems before they were actually ordered to leave or the system even requested help.

People in the warp experience time but the time they experience could have absolutely no correlation to the time experienced by those outside the warp, or even others within the warp. So you could have two people enter the warp at the same time and one experiences a longer time than the other in the warp but also leaves the warp sooner than the other from the point of view of an observer outside the warp.

Thats literally throwing your hands up in the air and pro-claiming "Hell if I know"

Yes you are correct, but I was referring to the parts we know in which warp travel was taking linearly because anything else is literally a random throw of the dice.

"Hell if I know" is appropriate. The 40k universe is so vast that everything imaginable is canonical. Don't expect consistency.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


Reborn on Mars? No no no. Have you not paid attention the past 3 editions where it was STRONGLY indicated that Mars' cult is probably very, very deeply rooted in the C'tan of the Void Dragon? They're not about to spontaneously poop out a clone of Ferrus - for one thing, Mars doesn't do genetics. You can't extract genetic material from a machine.

Oh god, now I have this horrifying image of an all Living Metal Ferrus Manus bar two fleshy hands, tearing himself out of the Void Dragon shard on Mars.

Is someone seriously trying to apply real-world physics to 40k and warp travel?

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


Reborn on Mars? No no no. Have you not paid attention the past 3 editions where it was STRONGLY indicated that Mars' cult is probably very, very deeply rooted in the C'tan of the Void Dragon? They're not about to spontaneously poop out a clone of Ferrus - for one thing, Mars doesn't do genetics. You can't extract genetic material from a machine.

Oh god, now I have this horrifying image of an all Living Metal Ferrus Manus bar two fleshy hands, tearing himself out of the Void Dragon shard on Mars.

The Pre-Heresy gene cultists were on Luna, not Mars. If that rumor had any chance of being real, they would have at least named the more reasonable astral body.

As is, that rumor is a pile of crap. On mars.

 nintura wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
That is not quite correct nintura. Time does not travel linearly in the warp. It is entirely possible (and has happened) that some fleets have arrived at star systems before they were actually ordered to leave or the system even requested help.

People in the warp experience time but the time they experience could have absolutely no correlation to the time experienced by those outside the warp, or even others within the warp. So you could have two people enter the warp at the same time and one experiences a longer time than the other in the warp but also leaves the warp sooner than the other from the point of view of an observer outside the warp.

Thats literally throwing your hands up in the air and pro-claiming "Hell if I know"

Yes you are correct, but I was referring to the parts we know in which warp travel was taking linearly because anything else is literally a random throw of the dice.

Well funny that. That's how GW designed the warp. It is NOT linear.

Really check up on fluff GW HAS written. That way you don't claim great crusade took thousands of years when that's flat out impossibility according to GW's official time line which puts it from starting around year 29800 with birth of Slaanesh(before which large scale space travel was impossible which is why Emperor prepared on earth since he knew warp storms would calm soon) and lasted until first decades of next millenia.

Yeah it sounds ridiculously small timeframe so you need to up the scale of number of fleets enough. If you have fleets conquering tens if not hundreds of thousands of systems simultaneously it makes more sense. And 40k has always been about dialing up numbers up. Hundreds of thousands of fleets ain't nothing in 40k.

tneva82 wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
That is not quite correct nintura. Time does not travel linearly in the warp. It is entirely possible (and has happened) that some fleets have arrived at star systems before they were actually ordered to leave or the system even requested help.

People in the warp experience time but the time they experience could have absolutely no correlation to the time experienced by those outside the warp, or even others within the warp. So you could have two people enter the warp at the same time and one experiences a longer time than the other in the warp but also leaves the warp sooner than the other from the point of view of an observer outside the warp.

Thats literally throwing your hands up in the air and pro-claiming "Hell if I know"

Yes you are correct, but I was referring to the parts we know in which warp travel was taking linearly because anything else is literally a random throw of the dice.

Well funny that. That's how GW designed the warp. It is NOT linear.

Really check up on fluff GW HAS written. That way you don't claim great crusade took thousands of years when that's flat out impossibility according to GW's official time line which puts it from starting around year 29800 with birth of Slaanesh(before which large scale space travel was impossible which is why Emperor prepared on earth since he knew warp storms would calm soon) and lasted until first decades of next millenia.

Yeah it sounds ridiculously small timeframe so you need to up the scale of number of fleets enough. If you have fleets conquering tens if not hundreds of thousands of systems simultaneously it makes more sense. And 40k has always been about dialing up numbers up. Hundreds of thousands of fleets ain't nothing in 40k.

Unless you're talking trillions of fleets, it's not going to happen. Not in that time frame. Yes, GW can say what they want because that's how it worked. But it wouldn't happen in reality. There's an estimated 100 BILLION habitable planets in the Milkway alone. And that's 1% of 1% of 1% (it goes on, but I dont like to repeat myself) of the planets out there. So even given your possible theory of 60 million planets conquered in 300 years, you'd need to really, REALLY ramp that up. And that's not going to happen by the year 30,000 by the best of times.