Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons

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**Hulksmash**

Yay! Datasheets. Now for the daemon ones!

**VeteranNoob**

Roknar wrote:
zamerion wrote:
Cephalobeard wrote:
Here y'go, lads.

Thanks for share. But, daemons things please?

Ah yea, thanks for sharing. I missed that in my dissapointment

@Roknar what do you want to know? The demons portion I'll pull in spoiler here to start.

Spoiler:

**mrhappyface**

Galef wrote:Check most of the Necron codex. Warriors have a 4+, yet the only wargear the have is their guns, same with Immortals with their 3+.
I think Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers & Fleshhounds have a 6+ on their profile, but no wargear giving them that.

It used to be incredibly common for models to simply have an armour save, but no wargear granting it. It is only the last 2 editions that unit entries have spammed wargear the grant armour saves.

Ah yes, I forgot about Khorne Daemon 'fluff armour' of a 6+ since it is never actually used in game.

TBH I was thinking about the CSM codex (seeing as though I'll be getting out for games again soon) and I couldn't think of any units in there with an armour save and no armour wargear.

**Fireball**

Given this whole Magnus demon release, has FW said anything about still doing a pre-demon Magnus? I really am not digging these huge miniatures ...

**Captyn_Bob**

In the daemon detachment the +1 invun is instead of reroll1s. Big trade

**zamerion**

Thanks veteranoob

Can you said Lorestealer Host benefits?

Thanks.

**Cephalobeard**

It's worth noting the new Daemon detachment appears to REMOVE the rerolls of 1s to saves. So... it's worse than the normal one, with an arguably better warpstorm stable.

**Roknar**

Well, what DON'T I want to know lol. It's only like the biggest news since our 3.5 dex XD. However there is one thing you might be able to answer since it's not really a spoiler.

How does Traitor Legions affect the Black Legion supplement? One would imagine that the new supplement invalidates the existing one?

**Cephalobeard**

Why would it invalidate it? The black legion is the black legion, the thousand sons are the thousand sons, etc.

**StupidYellow**

I can has Emperors Children next?

....like that will ever happen....

S.Y.

**Pain4Pleasure**

Unusual Suspect wrote:
Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Gw was smart when giving him that 4+ armor save. They knew it was a middle finger to their poster boy loyalists and their grav and did it anyway. Thumbs up gw!

Why is giving a 4+ armor save a middle finger to poster boy loyalists when giving him NO armor save would be even more effective at making Grav less powerful without really affecting Magnus' durability?

With something like him they aren't going to assume he has NO armor, and gw seems to like to put an armor save on most things that have some form
Of armor. So, with a 4+ (and yes he is flying so it doesn't even matter to an extent) is showing just how much harder it'll be to wound him win grav. They could of easily given him a 2 or 3 plus because "primarch" and chose not too

**Roknar**

Cephalobeard wrote:
Why would it invalidate it? The black legion is the black legion, the thousand sons are the thousand sons, etc.

And that would not be the case with Black Legion. You'd have Black Legion rules in their supplement and in the traior legion supplement, which have different rules (presumably). Tsons has a different system on how to make a TSons detachment and I think it's safe to assume that Traitor Legions will follow that, including the Traitor Legion version of Black Legion.

**Cephalobeard**

It doesn't invalidate it, they're simply different detachments.

**Skerr**

Dude thanks for the scans!

**MinscS2**

Thanks for the pictures Cephalobeard, saw some things that I really like;

- Seer's Bane apparently counts as S10 against T, so will ID everything with T5 or less!
- Exalted Sorcerers are awesome. For 40 pts over a regular CSM Sorcerer with similar wargear they gain; +1BS, +1W, +1I, +1A, Fearless, Inferno ammo for their pistol and Coruscating Beam. Easily worth the cost in my opinion. I'm also relieved that they have access to Spell Familiars and Giftof Mutation. Can't wait to try out my Exalted Sorcerer with Biomancy, Seer's Bane and Disc of Tzeentch.
- Occult Terminator Sorcerer having access to 11 disciplines, lots of variety offered.
- Occult Terminators being able to have 2 Hellfyre Missile Racks and 2 Soulreaper Cannons (or Heavy Warpflamers) in a 10 man unit, or one of each at 5 man is awesome.
- Tzaangors 'Relic Hunters' rule made me chuckle. It's not an amazing rule, but it's fun and fluffy.

Captyn_Bob wrote:
Guh. Exalted sorcerors can only take force staves. Dull.

Give him Seer's Bane and watch him go to town on ...well anything really.

**VeteranNoob**

@ Zamerion and others. Remaining demon formations not already scanned

**Roknar**

Cephalobeard wrote:
It doesn't invalidate it, they're simply different detachments.

On second thought. They're going to copy all the formations from the supplement because why wouldn't they? Same for the relics and warlord traits and objectives.
Except they will become generic csm formations where you have to obey the new requirement lists.
The only thing to change is how to make a csm detachment a black legion detachment and they should hopefully gain different special rules.
So there should be no incentive to draw from the old supplement as opposed to the new detachment. Invalidated or not.

**Slayer-Fan123**

The Scarab Terminators can take both a Cannon and ML at 5 dudes. That ain't too shabby.

**Cephalobeard**

Veteran, any chance you have a Scan of the Omniscient Oracles formation? That's the one i'm most interested in.

**Roknar**

Wow, that heralds anarchic seems really good. That essentially gives them a free pseudo mastery level, which are what? 25 points normally?

**StarFyre**

Don't know y people don't like the larger models. I think they are much more impressive looking and leaves so much more room.for modifications, resculpt, freehand,etc.

**Cephalobeard**

Roknar wrote:
Wow, that heralds anarchic seems really good. That essentially gives them a free pseudo mastery level, which are what? 25 points normally?

45 Base, +25 for ML2, yeah. It's good.

**VeteranNoob**

Cephalobeard wrote:
Veteran, any chance you have a Scan of the Omniscient Oracles formation? That's the one i'm most interested in.

**Hulksmash**

Ignore me! Thanks!

**Cephalobeard**

Ah, you beautiful bastard. Thank you.

**whembly**

Same as a GC in format.
-1+ Core - Lorestealer Host CHEAP!!!
-0-3 Command - Omniscient Oracles MAX out the LoC!
-1+ aux -[this is where the rest of your demons of tzeentch come in] Agents of Tzeentch, Forgehost (soul grinders), Burning Skyhost, Brimstone Conflaguraions and Groups of Heralds.

Then any aux... heldrake?

What are the "Agents of Tzeentch"?

**Captyn_Bob**

Agents are blue scribes and changeling

**tneva82**

Cephalobeard wrote:
Why would it invalidate it? The black legion is the black legion, the thousand sons are the thousand sons, etc.

GW isn't much in invalidating. You can for example still use greentide from first ghazkhul supplement despite same supplement getting redone without it...

These aren't even new version of old supplement but new supplement alongside.

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StarFyre wrote:
Don't know y people don't like the larger models. I think they are much more impressive looking and leaves so much more room.for modifications, resculpt, freehand,etc.

Well for one thing they make boards too crowded. They occupy too much space thus driving everything into smaller space and reducing movement room=less room for tactics.

Bigger ain't better always.

**Galef**

My Tetrad is very sad now, as it may be replace with an Omniscient Oracles formation.

**whembly**

Galef wrote:
My Tetrad is very sad now, as it may be replace with an Omniscient Oracles formation.

Is it that much of a points difference between the two formation?

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Captyn_Bob wrote:
Agents are blue scribes and changeling

Thanks!

...I can see the Changeling making more of an appearance.