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 nintura wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Ok. I literally JUST bought everything that came out today. I have one of each box. However, I need help making an army for them using ONLY the Wrath of Magnus book as it's the only one I have for an event in 2 weeks. This is a charity event where friends of players can donate and buy things like extra dice, re-rolls, extra warlord traits and stuff so this should be a lot of fun and for a good cause. But I'm not very good at making army lists in a short amount of time. Does anyone care to help or at least supply ideas?

Remember, I only have 1 of each box, and maybe the FW Abaddon 30k model lol.

See if you can get hold of a Heldrake/Dinobot/Predator/Vindicator/Land Raider.

If so you can field a Grand Coven Detachment.

Core - War Cabal - Ahriman, 2 Exalted Sorcerers, Rubrics and Scarab Occult Terminators.
Aux - Your Dinobot/Tank
Command - 2 x Lord of the Legion (Magnus and the last Exalted Sorcerer).

Tada, using only 1 of each box released this weekend and WoM - you have an army.

PM'd you.

*EDIT: This isn't possible within an 1850 army. Without the tank auxiliary, that comes up to 1835 lol.

Could you drop the last exalted sorcerer? Might that give you the points needed for the tank?

I can't wait until I get home to actually tear into the book. It's as beautiful as the new models.

I somehow managed to forget to grab Scarab Occult Terminators. Alas. Hopefully I can grab them before my tournament a week from tomorrow...

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


Could you drop the last exalted sorcerer? Might that give you the points needed for the tank?

It does but not much else in upgrades. I was thinking of dropping the other exalted sorc, or maybe using the models as regular sorcs?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 nintura wrote:
Ok. I literally JUST bought everything that came out today. I have one of each box. However, I need help making an army for them using ONLY the Wrath of Magnus book as it's the only one I have for an event in 2 weeks. This is a charity event where friends of players can donate and buy things like extra dice, re-rolls, extra warlord traits and stuff so this should be a lot of fun and for a good cause. But I'm not very good at making army lists in a short amount of time. Does anyone care to help or at least supply ideas?

Remember, I only have 1 of each box, and maybe the FW Abaddon 30k model lol.

See if you can get hold of a Heldrake/Dinobot/Predator/Vindicator/Land Raider.

If so you can field a Grand Coven Detachment.

Core - War Cabal - Ahriman, 2 Exalted Sorcerers, Rubrics and Scarab Occult Terminators.
Aux - Your Dinobot/Tank
Command - 2 x Lord of the Legion (Magnus and the last Exalted Sorcerer).

Tada, using only 1 of each box released this weekend and WoM - you have an army.

PM'd you.

*EDIT: This isn't possible within an 1850 army. Without the tank auxiliary, that comes up to 1835 lol.

Could you drop the last exalted sorcerer? Might that give you the points needed for the tank?

^ Pretty much this.

Also how did you find the supplement? It's not listed in the preorders or even chaos space marines.

Can I just make a plea right now:

If you get the wrath of Magnus fluff book, could you please post all discussions of the fluff in the fluff thread not this one? I foolishly decided to tell someone that I wanted the WoM book and now they are getting it for me for christmas! I must now dodge spoilers for the next 22 days. :(

I'll add this here until we get the review copy leaks:
In The Book

- Datasheets for the following models:
- Kharn the Betrayer
- Ahriman
- Exalted Sorcerer
- Tzaangors
- Rubric Marines
- Scarab Occult Terminators
- Khorne Lord of Skulls
- Magnus the Red

- 26 Formations for Chaos Space Marines
- Chaos Warband
- Maelstrom of Gore
- The Lost and the Damned
- Helforged Warpack
- Heldrake Terror Pack
- Cult of Destruction
- Fist of the Gods
- Raptor Talon
- Terminator Annihilation Force
- Favoured of Chaos
- Trinity of Blood
- The Chosen of Abaddon
- The Bringers of Despair
- The Hounds of Abaddon
- Daemon Engine Pack
- Cyclopia Cabal
- The Tormented
- Black Legion Warband
- War Cabal
- War Coven
- Tzaangor Warherd
- Sekhmet Conclave
- Ahriman’s Exiles
- Rehati War Sect
- Plague Colony
- Kakophoni;

- Chaos Artefacts, Warlord Traits, Tactical Objectives and an exclusive Detachment for each of the 9 Traitor Legions;

- Updated Disciplines of Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh, as well as the Sinistrum, Heretech, Ectomancy and Geomortis Psychic Disciplines;

- Armoury of the Chaos Space Marines.

So only two new formations?

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can I just make a plea right now:

If you get the wrath of Magnus fluff book, could you please post all discussions of the fluff in the fluff thread not this one? I foolishly decided to tell someone that I wanted the WoM book and now they are getting it for me for christmas! I must now dodge spoilers for the next 22 days. :(

Spoilers - there's a chap called Magnus and he's rather wrathful.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can I just make a plea right now:

If you get the wrath of Magnus fluff book, could you please post all discussions of the fluff in the fluff thread not this one? I foolishly decided to tell someone that I wanted the WoM book and now they are getting it for me for christmas! I must now dodge spoilers for the next 22 days. :(

Spoilers - there's a chap called Magnus and he's rather wrathful.

So is his boss.

 Roknar wrote:
I'll add this here until we get the review copy leaks:
In The Book

- Datasheets for the following models:
- Kharn the Betrayer
- Ahriman
- Exalted Sorcerer
- Tzaangors
- Rubric Marines
- Scarab Occult Terminators
- Khorne Lord of Skulls
- Magnus the Red

- 26 Formations for Chaos Space Marines
- Chaos Warband
- Maelstrom of Gore
- The Lost and the Damned
- Helforged Warpack
- Heldrake Terror Pack
- Cult of Destruction
- Fist of the Gods
- Raptor Talon
- Terminator Annihilation Force
- Favoured of Chaos
- Trinity of Blood
- The Chosen of Abaddon
- The Bringers of Despair
- The Hounds of Abaddon
- Daemon Engine Pack
- Cyclopia Cabal
- The Tormented
- Black Legion Warband
- War Cabal
- War Coven
- Tzaangor Warherd
- Sekhmet Conclave
- Ahriman’s Exiles
- Rehati War Sect
- Plague Colony
- Kakophoni;

- Chaos Artefacts, Warlord Traits, Tactical Objectives and an exclusive Detachment for each of the 9 Traitor Legions;

- Updated Disciplines of Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh, as well as the Sinistrum, Heretech, Ectomancy and Geomortis Psychic Disciplines;

- Armoury of the Chaos Space Marines.

So only two new formations?

I can only hope they've tweaked the previous formations to not have Warpsmith taxes up the Wazoo.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can I just make a plea right now:

If you get the wrath of Magnus fluff book, could you please post all discussions of the fluff in the fluff thread not this one? I foolishly decided to tell someone that I wanted the WoM book and now they are getting it for me for christmas! I must now dodge spoilers for the next 22 days. :(

Spoilers - there's a chap called Magnus and he's rather wrathful.

Yeah on first glance this looks worrisome. Aren't these just copy-pastes of the Traitor's Hate stuff? (obviously more than that is listed.. but there is serious overlap here...)

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Yeah on first glance this looks worrisome. Aren't these just copy-pastes of the Traitor's Hate stuff? (obviously more than that is listed.. but there is serious overlap here...)

I care more about relics and other special rules than formations.

And that I don't have to buy WoM for my TS rules.

hehe.

I hope they give world eaters something decent. All other gods got updated after all. And daemonkin is no replacement for world eaters.


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 rollawaythestone wrote:
Yeah on first glance this looks worrisome. Aren't these just copy-pastes of the Traitor's Hate stuff? (obviously more than that is listed.. but there is serious overlap here...)

They copy pasted all of traitors hate minus the knight, like literally all of it from the looks.
They also copied all of the Black Legion formations and the TSons formations. It looks like all is not remotely equal among the legions.

 Roknar wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Yeah on first glance this looks worrisome. Aren't these just copy-pastes of the Traitor's Hate stuff? (obviously more than that is listed.. but there is serious overlap here...)

They copy pasted all of traitors hate minus the knight, like literally all of it from the looks.
They also copied all of the Black Legion formations and the TSons formations. It looks like all is not remotely equal among the legions.

Disappointing. Guess we should have expected that.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
I'll add this here until we get the review copy leaks:
In The Book

- Datasheets for the following models:
- Kharn the Betrayer
- Ahriman
- Exalted Sorcerer
- Tzaangors
- Rubric Marines
- Scarab Occult Terminators
- Khorne Lord of Skulls
- Magnus the Red

- 26 Formations for Chaos Space Marines
- Chaos Warband
- Maelstrom of Gore
- The Lost and the Damned
- Helforged Warpack
- Heldrake Terror Pack
- Cult of Destruction
- Fist of the Gods
- Raptor Talon
- Terminator Annihilation Force
- Favoured of Chaos
- Trinity of Blood
- The Chosen of Abaddon
- The Bringers of Despair
- The Hounds of Abaddon
- Daemon Engine Pack
- Cyclopia Cabal
- The Tormented
- Black Legion Warband
- War Cabal
- War Coven
- Tzaangor Warherd
- Sekhmet Conclave
- Ahriman’s Exiles
- Rehati War Sect
- Plague Colony
- Kakophoni;

- Chaos Artefacts, Warlord Traits, Tactical Objectives and an exclusive Detachment for each of the 9 Traitor Legions;

- Updated Disciplines of Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh, as well as the Sinistrum, Heretech, Ectomancy and Geomortis Psychic Disciplines;

- Armoury of the Chaos Space Marines.

So only two new formations?

I can only hope they've tweaked the previous formations to not have Warpsmith taxes up the Wazoo.

If it's anything like angels of death it will just be a copy paste. Even with the new CT rules (hope to all chaos they don't blow) for the legions their decurions are going to look pretty limited outside of Black Legion and Thousand Sons and much like the traitor's hate supplement.

The supplement essentially looks like an ombinus of wrath of magnus, traitors hate, and the black legion supplement. I guess people were complaining about too many books earlier in the thread.

I look at the "copy/paste" aspect of Traitors Legion as a blessing for players. It basically means that a new player only needs the CSM codex and the Legions book, rather than both of those + Traitor's hate & WoM.
If the Agents of the Imperium indeed consolidates the rules for Assassins, Inquisition, Sisters, Custodes, etc than it would be a great step forward for GW and point to a less bloated direction on their part.

I was hoping that all of the legions would get at least one unique formation. This is pretty sad in terms of formations, but at least we'll get tailored decurions and legion rules. It could still be a good book overall. Just the formations part is kinda lame.


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 Galef wrote:
I look at the "copy/paste" aspect of Traitors Legion as a blessing for new players. It basically means that a new player only needs the CSM codex and the Legions book, rather than both of those + Traitor's hate & WoM.
If the Agents of the Imperium indeed consolidates the rules for Assassins, Inquisition, Sisters, Custodes, etc than it would be a great step forward for GW and point to a less bloated direction on their part.

Yea, it's good to have them all in one place. It wouldn't have killed them though to give each legion a unique formation. Well other than BL and TSons that is.

Right now it looks like BL and TSons get all the col stuff and the rest get the scraps and have to make due with traitor's hate.

 Roknar wrote:

Spoiler:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can I just make a plea right now:

If you get the wrath of Magnus fluff book, could you please post all discussions of the fluff in the fluff thread not this one? I foolishly decided to tell someone that I wanted the WoM book and now they are getting it for me for christmas! I must now dodge spoilers for the next 22 days. :(

Spoilers - there's a chap called Magnus and he's rather wrathful.

hehe.

I hope they give world eaters something decent. All other gods got updated after all. And daemonkin is no replacement for world eaters.


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 rollawaythestone wrote:
Yeah on first glance this looks worrisome. Aren't these just copy-pastes of the Traitor's Hate stuff? (obviously more than that is listed.. but there is serious overlap here...)

They copy pasted all of traitors hate minus the knight, like literally all of it from the looks.
They also copied all of the Black Legion formations and the TSons formations. It looks like all is not remotely equal among the legions.

Keep in mind, Angels of Death didn't include any new formations, either. It was a compilation of existing formations along with detachments that had previously been scattered among different source books. If I remember right, only two of the detachments in the book were actually new: the Salamanders detachment and the vehicle-heavy detachment (can't actually remember the name). I expect this to be largely similar. A lot of previously-released formations form different Chaos Space Marine supplements plus different detachments for the different legions.

 Roknar wrote:
I was hoping that all of the legions would get at least one unique formation. This is pretty sad in terms of formations, but at least we'll get tailored decurions and legion rules. It could still be a good book overall. Just the formations part is kinda lame.


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 Galef wrote:
I look at the "copy/paste" aspect of Traitors Legion as a blessing for new players. It basically means that a new player only needs the CSM codex and the Legions book, rather than both of those + Traitor's hate & WoM.
If the Agents of the Imperium indeed consolidates the rules for Assassins, Inquisition, Sisters, Custodes, etc than it would be a great step forward for GW and point to a less bloated direction on their part.

Yea, it's good to have them all in one place. It wouldn't have killed them though to give each legion a unique formation. Well other than BL and TSons that is.

In fairness, do the loyalist chapters from the SM codex have chapter specific formations? If the Legion book at least gives rules for a detachment to be X legion (a la chapter tactics) it would go a long way toward putting CSM on par.

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 EnTyme wrote:

Spoiler:

 Roknar wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can I just make a plea right now:

If you get the wrath of Magnus fluff book, could you please post all discussions of the fluff in the fluff thread not this one? I foolishly decided to tell someone that I wanted the WoM book and now they are getting it for me for christmas! I must now dodge spoilers for the next 22 days. :(

Spoilers - there's a chap called Magnus and he's rather wrathful.

hehe.

I hope they give world eaters something decent. All other gods got updated after all. And daemonkin is no replacement for world eaters.


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 rollawaythestone wrote:
Yeah on first glance this looks worrisome. Aren't these just copy-pastes of the Traitor's Hate stuff? (obviously more than that is listed.. but there is serious overlap here...)

They copy pasted all of traitors hate minus the knight, like literally all of it from the looks.
They also copied all of the Black Legion formations and the TSons formations. It looks like all is not remotely equal among the legions.

Keep in mind, Angels of Death didn't include any new formations, either. It was a compilation of existing formations along with detachments that had previously been scattered among different source books. If I remember right, only two of the detachments in the book were actually new: the Salamanders detachment and the vehicle-heavy detachment (can't actually remember the name). I expect this to be largely similar. A lot of previously-released formations form different Chaos Space Marine supplements plus different detachments for the different legions.

CSM don't have the same foundation of chapter tactics and previous releases that SM have had though. So we pretty much have to get more completely new content. So here's to hoping they gave decent decurions and legion benefits.

Updated psychic powers for each god to make them less poopy is great, though. Sounds like a pretty okay release to me. I can't imagine that anyone thought a book with nine other Legions in it was going to have the same amount of content as T-Sons and Black Legion, though.

 Galef wrote:

In fairness, do the loyalist chapters from the SM codex have chapter specific formations? If the Legion book at least gives rules for a detachment to be X legion (a la chapter tactics) it would go a long way toward putting CSM on par.

Yes, isn't there a chapter-specific "decurion" for each Chapter?

 Galef wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
I was hoping that all of the legions would get at least one unique formation. This is pretty sad in terms of formations, but at least we'll get tailored decurions and legion rules. It could still be a good book overall. Just the formations part is kinda lame.


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 Galef wrote:
I look at the "copy/paste" aspect of Traitors Legion as a blessing for new players. It basically means that a new player only needs the CSM codex and the Legions book, rather than both of those + Traitor's hate & WoM.
If the Agents of the Imperium indeed consolidates the rules for Assassins, Inquisition, Sisters, Custodes, etc than it would be a great step forward for GW and point to a less bloated direction on their part.

Yea, it's good to have them all in one place. It wouldn't have killed them though to give each legion a unique formation. Well other than BL and TSons that is.

In fairness, do the loyalist chapters from the SM codex have chapter specific formations? If the Legion book at least gives rules for a detachment to be X legion (a la chapter tactics) it would go a long way toward putting CSM on par.

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Fair point. I honestly don't know. I thought that for the most part they did. They have had their share of supplements too. I thought angels blade copied those over so there wasn't much left that didn't have one yet.
And that's why they didn't get many new formations. I suppose I might have gotten that confused with detachments for the various chapters.

Zerosoul wrote:
Updated psychic powers for each god to make them less poopy is great, though. Sounds like a pretty okay release to me. I can't imagine that anyone thought a book with nine other Legions in it was going to have the same amount of content as T-Sons and Black Legion, though.

If the Tzeentch one is any indication, it's not new just 3 tacked onto the existing ones.

 rollawaythestone wrote:

 Galef wrote:

In fairness, do the loyalist chapters from the SM codex have chapter specific formations? If the Legion book at least gives rules for a detachment to be X legion (a la chapter tactics) it would go a long way toward putting CSM on par.

Yes, isn't there a chapter-specific "decurion" for each Chapter?

As far as I know, yes. That as well as chapter tactic equivalents but on a detachment level. Not sure how chapter tactics are chosen in the loyalist dex.


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Requizen wrote:

Zerosoul wrote:
Updated psychic powers for each god to make them less poopy is great, though. Sounds like a pretty okay release to me. I can't imagine that anyone thought a book with nine other Legions in it was going to have the same amount of content as T-Sons and Black Legion, though.

If the Tzeentch one is any indication, it's not new just 3 tacked onto the existing ones.

I expect that to be the case too, but tzeentch got at least one really good new power and the other two weren't so bad to start with.

Anyone else looking at their Magnus grey plastic and realize he's the perfect base for a KoS?

Well...this looks to be what we feared. Copy-pasted bad chaos formation. At least Slaanesh and Nurgle appear to have a new formation each.

 Sersi wrote:
Well...this looks to be what we feared. Copy-pasted bad chaos formation. At least Slaanesh and Nurgle appear to have a new formation each.

The meat of the supplement is in the legion and decurion rules though. That and the artefacts of course. So while this is a bit disappointing, it doesn't really lessen the impact the supplement could have.
Traitor's hate wasn't bad, it just wasn't enough. And now we're getting two extra layers of rules on top of that book along with relics. Well, one and a half layers anyway lol

 Roknar wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:

Yes, isn't there a chapter-specific "decurion" for each Chapter?

As far as I know, yes. That as well as chapter tactic equivalents but on a detachment level. Not sure how chapter tactics are chosen in the loyalist dex.

What!?!?! Since when? I thought the main 7 chapters shared the same FBD (the Gladius) and you just applied chapter Tactics. Is this an Angels of Death thing?
I know DAs, BAs and SWs have there own stuff because they don't share a Codex like the others do.

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