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 Lockark wrote:
The rubric termies show that gw hasn't forgotten the idea of cult termies. but they will be given rules only as they make kits for them.

Which is fantastic for 1KSons players but not so hot for DG/WE/EC players who are finally getting rules after nearly a decade but have to make do with the same units they've always had.

 Lockark wrote:
I don't think gw will even give a unit rules for a gun unless it's I the kit now.

And the kits are becoming less modular, to make 3rd party bitz less useful. And they changed the bases of their highest selling line to a size no one makes.

One only need look at the various wargear options for Deathwatch characters to see how messed up it is. It's all so cynical.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
The rubric termies show that gw hasn't forgotten the idea of cult termies. but they will be given rules only as they make kits for them.

Which is fantastic for 1KSons players but not so hot for DG/WE/EC players who are finally getting rules after nearly a decade but have to make do with the same units they've always had.

 Lockark wrote:
I don't think gw will even give a unit rules for a gun unless it's I the kit now.

And the kits are becoming less modular, to make 3rd party bitz less useful. And they changed the bases of their highest selling line to a size no one makes.

One only need look at the various wargear options for Deathwatch characters to see how messed up it is. It's all so cynical.

As a EC player I feel the pain all to well. I'm also waiting for slaanesh strikes back in aos also. Well the wait is killing me, at least it seems their is even a wait at all is a good sign I guess.

The fact EC got some solid rules in TL makes me a bit happy even if it's not 100% what I wanted.

(Sonic termies, bikes, dreads, preds, etc. )

Could be worse. We could be Word Bearer players who seemingly get nothing.

Oh wait I also play Word Bearers...

Had a look through the past 5 pages and didn't see this, no idea how old it is but I assume it's already in the thread somewhere...

 Ghaz wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
There is nothing in the Chaos Artefacts section that specifies that he can only take one and he has permission, per the wording of the rules for selecting his wargear, to take multiple.

Except its covered by the FAQ. One relic only. Lack of wording in the rules does not change that.

It is covered in an FAQ for a different codex. That does not automatically mean that it is the same for every other book, else Tau commanders couldn't take multiple sig systems on one suit.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
There is nothing in the Chaos Artefacts section that specifies that he can only take one and he has permission, per the wording of the rules for selecting his wargear, to take multiple.

Except its covered by the FAQ. One relic only. Lack of wording in the rules does not change that.

It is covered in an FAQ for a different codex. That does not automatically mean that it is the same for every other book, else Tau commanders couldn't take multiple sig systems on one suit.

No. It's covered in the Main Rulebook FAQ. That means it applies to all codices. The question with Tau is if Signature Systems are considered Relics.

Am I correct in thinking that in order to use Magnus the Red, I need the Chaos Space Marines Codex, Chaos Daemons Codex, and Wrath of Magnus or Traitor Legions?

Magnus is a CSM entry and his rules are available in either WoM and TL.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Could be worse. We could be Word Bearer players who seemingly get nothing.

Oh wait I also play Word Bearers...

I would have picked up Word Bearers, if the CSM units were worth buying.

All that I would actually pay money for from the CSM range the way it is now (Thousand Sons excluded) would be the...

-Terminator Lord
-Dark Apostle
-Warpsmith
-Terminators (barely)
-Raptors
-Posessed
-Helbrute
-Defiler
-Dinobots


You could make a lot of fluffy armies centered around those kits, but Word Bearers is not one of them. They need infantry. In fact, they're probably the most infantry-heavy traitor legion.

I suppose you could run Possessed as your troops, but to be honest the lack of cultists and standard CSM will just be felt no matter how you try to cover it.

Some day, I'm sure, they'll release a multi-part plastic Cultist kit. And on that day, I will consider Word Bearers to have juuust enough support within the hobby to work with, but I honestly don't think they'll be changing the plastic CSM kit any time soon, and that means extensive conversion work for basic infantry, which is certainly a massive time sink if nothing else.

So if you want to play Word Bearers, my advice to you would be to first go out and buy the Start Collecting Chaos Marines box, and yes, supplement that with that terrible plastic CSM box. Then start working on converting as many of those plastic CSM as you think you should.

And just take your time with them, and then once you're done do it again with a few more of them because the way I see it that's the bullet you're going to have to bite. In the meantime, just wait until a multi-part cultist kit is released and then you're over the hill.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Magnus is a CSM entry and his rules are available in either WoM and TL.

Is the Change Discipline in either of those books?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Is the Change Discipline in either of those books?

Wrath of Magnus has the updated powers for both CSM and Deamons of Tzeentch

Traitor Legions will have updated powers for CSM for all 3 God specific tables and, presumably. the tables for the 4 powers that came with Traitors Hate. Not sure if includes the Change powers for Deamons of Tzeentch

I think people need to have a bit more faith in the new GW. We've been told to expect new models next year, the january whit dwarf has abaddon on the cover and we know that mortarion is coming. They won't be releasing mortarion so soon after magnus so there is a good chance we will be seeing abaddon and the last few characters all came with a campaign book to back them up. That would imply a book with abaddon in the not to distant future, which would be the ideal time to convert those DV chosen into a kit and tackle some of the undivided units.

 Roknar wrote:
I think people need to have a bit more faith in the new GW. We've been told to expect new models next year, the january whit dwarf has abaddon on the cover and we know that mortarion is coming. They won't be releasing mortarion so soon after magnus so there is a good chance we will be seeing abaddon and the last few characters all came with a campaign book to back them up. That would imply a book with abaddon in the not to distant future, which would be the ideal time to convert those DV chosen into a kit and tackle some of the undivided units.

Where did you find all this out?

 Roknar wrote:
I think people need to have a bit more faith in the new GW. We've been told to expect new models next year, the january whit dwarf has abaddon on the cover and we know that mortarion is coming. They won't be releasing mortarion so soon after magnus so there is a good chance we will be seeing abaddon and the last few characters all came with a campaign book to back them up. That would imply a book with abaddon in the not to distant future, which would be the ideal time to convert those DV chosen into a kit and tackle some of the undivided units.

Do we know Mortarion is coming for sure? Is there a source for that?

I'm looking at picking up Typhus and maybe some Cataphractii Terminators from the Calth set, but if new models are on the way, I'm happy to wait.

By the way, Mortarion has a personal guard that accompany him everywhere. They'll have to release models for those...

...

...Surely!

Quick clarification question. Does DG, EC, and WE all get free VotLW as well or just the undivided legions? Thanks!

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Is the Change Discipline in either of those books?

Wrath of Magnus has the updated powers for both CSM and Deamons of Tzeentch

Traitor Legions will have updated powers for CSM for all 3 God specific tables and, presumably. the tables for the 4 powers that came with Traitors Hate. Not sure if includes the Change powers for Deamons of Tzeentch

Change is not in either.

I was pretty excited for this, but I can't say I'm not pretty disappointed by the Word Bearers traits/relics/legion tactics. it looks to me like Black Legion actually get everything we get, but better (Fear and Hatred Imperium in addition to Crusader). I didn't mind the more or less copy/paste of the Traitor's Hate detachment for us, but about the only thing going for us vs. Black Legion is 3+ summoning dice... is that how I should start thinking to build them in a fluffy way? Daemon Prince with Malefic in the Favoured of Chaos formation?

Maybe I should just take the black...

 VeteranNoob wrote:

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Is the Change Discipline in either of those books?

Wrath of Magnus has the updated powers for both CSM and Deamons of Tzeentch

Traitor Legions will have updated powers for CSM for all 3 God specific tables and, presumably. the tables for the 4 powers that came with Traitors Hate. Not sure if includes the Change powers for Deamons of Tzeentch

Change is not in either.

Well, I guess unless someone wants to get the Chaos Daemons Dex, Magnus only has 7 powers (unless Daemons has cards available).

If they want me to have 7 units of Plague marines then they're going to need to make 'em in plastic.

They had cards, but I think they're now listed as No Longer Available.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If they want me to have 7 units of Plague marines then they're going to need to make 'em in plastic.

Yeah... I was going to bring up Forge World but that'd bring your total up to just over $500. Best to hold out for plastic at that point.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If they want me to have 7 units of Plague marines then they're going to need to make 'em in plastic.

Yeah... I was going to bring up Forge World but that'd bring your total up to just over $500. Best to hold out for plastic at that point.

Go the Iron Hands route and just use bionics everywhere.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If they want me to have 7 units of Plague marines then they're going to need to make 'em in plastic.

There is a rumour from Hastings in the comments on Atia's blog that a plague army is coming next year, though he said not necessarily plague marines whatever that means. ( maybe not just plague marines).

wwwwwell within the realm of possibility

Chikout wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If they want me to have 7 units of Plague marines then they're going to need to make 'em in plastic.

There is a rumour from Hastings in the comments on Atia's blog that a plague army is coming next year, though he said not necessarily plague marines whatever that means. ( maybe not just plague marines).

Maybe one day we will get a Emperor's children sonic army, with Blastmaster armed predators, and other sonic based weapon equipped units. Now that would get me spending money again (though they did get me to spend allot of cash on the Diaz Daemonette re release.

 Rydria wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If they want me to have 7 units of Plague marines then they're going to need to make 'em in plastic.

There is a rumour from Hastings in the comments on Atia's blog that a plague army is coming next year, though he said not necessarily plague marines whatever that means. ( maybe not just plague marines).

Maybe one day we will get a Emperor's children sonic army, with Blastmaster armed predators, and other sonic based weapon equipped units. Now that would get me spending money again (though they did get me to spend allot of cash on the Diaz Daemonette re release.

Same here! I even emailed their customer support telling them that I want them to make Slaanesh Daemons great again.


Also, sonic Helbrutes.

 Quarterdime wrote:
Yeah... I was going to bring up Forge World but that'd bring your total up to just over $500. Best to hold out for plastic at that point.

Don't get me wrong - I have a Death Guard army already, with about 20 of the FW DG Marines, and 10 DG Terminators - but all in all I believe I have 5 Death Guard Squads (3 normal, 2 Havoc) made up of a combination of FW resin, GW metal and some ancient 2nd Ed mono-pose plastics. Add to that 4x7 Plague Bearers and once upon a time it was a fun little army.

But plastics will always be better.

Do the noise marine weapon sprues fit on the battle of calth/prospero MKIV/III Marines ?

I have 10 sonic blaster armed noise marines already since I own, 10 forge world Kakaphoni, but I don't want the same 5 poses for my entire force of noise marines.

 Quarterdime wrote:

 Rydria wrote:

Chikout wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
If they want me to have 7 units of Plague marines then they're going to need to make 'em in plastic.

There is a rumour from Hastings in the comments on Atia's blog that a plague army is coming next year, though he said not necessarily plague marines whatever that means. ( maybe not just plague marines).

Maybe one day we will get a Emperor's children sonic army, with Blastmaster armed predators, and other sonic based weapon equipped units. Now that would get me spending money again (though they did get me to spend allot of cash on the Diaz Daemonette re release.

Same here! I even emailed their customer support telling them that I want them to make Slaanesh Daemons great again.


Also, sonic Helbrutes.

Slaanesh daemons aren't that bad, in the semi competitive environment I play, my swarms of daemonettes does pretty well, the trick for me was realizing that my awesome keeper of secrets conversion was sadly not worth his points cost : (

 Platuan4th wrote:

Or even if it's something that was in a previous version of a kit but not the new version. *glares at the updated Rubric entry with its lack of Aspriring Sorceror ability to swap stave for sword*

Oh.. OH!

That is so uncool!