Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

With white dwarf going to monthly our leaks in general got slowed down real hard.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Hmmm, pre-orders in two days and not really a lot of good leaks. I know there was a completed Custodes with a comparison to a Tactical Marine on Atia's blog, but no completed Sister with a size comparison. I really hope they didn't mess up and make the Sisters the size of Marines. They are still normal humans, not 7 ft tall monstrosities.

Normal humans aka guardsmen are almost the size of 7ft tall monstrosities so I think the chances of them somehow more true scales are pretty slim.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
With white dwarf going to monthly our leaks in general got slowed down real hard.

Yes, but we received sprue pictures a while ago as well as an image of a completed Custodes miniature.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 warboss wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Hmmm, pre-orders in two days and not really a lot of good leaks. I know there was a completed Custodes with a comparison to a Tactical Marine on Atia's blog, but no completed Sister with a size comparison. I really hope they didn't mess up and make the Sisters the size of Marines. They are still normal humans, not 7 ft tall monstrosities.

Normal humans aka guardsmen are almost the size of 7ft tall monstrosities so I think the chances of them somehow more true scales are pretty slim.

well, at least there was some effort with the Deathwatch to make the Marines taller than usual.

Scale creep is one of the things I really detest about 40k. If Deathwatch are getting bigger, Custodes bigger yet again... No thanks.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Scale creep is one of the things I really detest about 40k. If Deathwatch are getting bigger, Custodes bigger yet again... No thanks.

Custodes are supposed to be bigger, the issue is not "scale creep", it's that the scale changed, long ago, for everything except Space Marines because GW needed to keep newer SM kits compatible with the previous couple of generations in each case.

Almost every human model GW have released for over a decade has been 29-31mm to the eyes, and the only reason SM aren't 37-40mm to the eyes is commercial. People can keep pretending the issue with 40K is that every model except SM are out of scale because the current plastics are about the right size compared to ancient metal Guardsmen if they like, but it's firmly unconvincing.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
With white dwarf going to monthly our leaks in general got slowed down real hard.

We'll see, Warhammer TV can jump on rumors and leaks right away... and they not only confirm but go a step further But some pics like the Custodians seem to come from folks who are supposed to wait to talk about/review this stuff until pre-release day.
Though I'll count release day in New Zealand as good and can't wait to chime in.

That's a chicken & egg defense there. Custodes and esp. Deathwatch don't need to be any bigger. Nor anything else. But GW keeps doing it.

That said, my non-SM (IG, Eldars, Inquisition) are all metal, precisely because they scale well with the SM plastics.

Are deathwatch model bigger?

i know there is certainly a Bling creep but that i dont mind as much.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Scale creep is one of the things I really detest about 40k. If Deathwatch are getting bigger, Custodes bigger yet again... No thanks.

For the love of god... the Deathwatch legs are just in a different stance. That's the only thing that makes them "bigger".

The Custodes are meant to be bigger and stronger than your usual Astartes. They're the Emperor's elite guard.

 Desubot wrote:
Are deathwatch model bigger?

i know there is certainly a Bling creep but that i dont mind as much.

There were some comparison pictures a while back. They are noticeably taller, but that is due to a combination of factors. 1. Their stance is less crouched than normal marine kits. That gives them the appearance of being taller than a regular marine. 2. They are slightly taller at individual lengths. Their legs are longer, but that could be due to Mk VIII.

Incorrect, I own 30 deathwatch marines. They are on a shelf next ro my recently built dark angels. The deathwatch mark 8 suits are noticeable larger. If you put the walking legs next to any prior marine legs, they are easily at least 1/16" bigger They stand much taller than any prior marine made 1/16" to 1/8" taller. They also look to be a correct scale against imperial guard, genestealer cult models, etc.

The only issue I saw was the deathwatch overkill kill team Cassius are tiny compared to the new deathwatch units. I also had a hard time mixing the mark 8 armor pieces with other marine bits as you get marines with abnormally large torsos or marines that are all legs... (ok that was a bit of an exaggeration, but it is noticable).

There is an unboxing video on Youtube. They obviously haven't read the rules ("same as BaC") but it gives a good look into the booklets and some of the other content we haven't seen in detail before

i like the scale creep...
it makes building and painting more enjoyable...
true-scale models are much more stressful to work on...

bring on my big Custodes...
only 9 more days until i get to crack open this awesome box

cheers
jah

Scale creep is fine for me since I'm starting over completely if/when the Thousand Sons come out.

Has there been any mention of the spells? Are they new?

Nvs wrote:
Scale creep is fine for me since I'm starting over completely if/when the Thousand Sons come out.

Has there been any mention of the spells? Are they new?

The "spells" are in the format for whatever this games rules are. I have no expectation that they'll be in a form that's remotely usable in 30k/40k.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Hmmm, pre-orders in two days and not really a lot of good leaks. I know there was a completed Custodes with a comparison to a Tactical Marine on Atia's blog, but no completed Sister with a size comparison. I really hope they didn't mess up and make the Sisters the size of Marines. They are still normal humans, not 7 ft tall monstrosities.

By the same token, they're a small but elite, handpicked force. They could easily all be well over 6' with lifts in their boots that increase their height.

These "guardsmen" from different "regiments" all come from the same "homeworld" and have a lot of variation in height.


And really bloody big guys are relatively rare, but they're out there.

(also, Shaq, Yao Ming, Khali, Paul Wight, etc - we know the guys because really large guys can become famous sportspeople much more easily than nameless really large women.

Hmm, the second paragraph is omnious. Can we expect Brotherhood of Psykers for TS basic squads?

PSYKERS EVERYWHERE WEEEE

Scale Creep - The sizes are all the same. GW doesn't do scale well and isn't going to change anytime soon. Fully expect sisters to be the same size as. If you look at the latest vid posted 3 days ago on Warhammer TV, they are same height as marines. Deathwatch isn't bigger.

I did lol on the Greigor prospero burns vid though. "Russ with a heavy heart released the wolfs" He was actually more then willing to murder thousand sons, soooo no heavy heart there.

The "poster" for thousand sons, while cool, is kinda off. It wasn't their thirst for knowledge that damned them, Magnus sold them off to Tzeentch long time ago.

So totally getting this! Mk3 is my favorite of the armor. I've got 10 Marines for my Chapter in Mk3 from FW right now and wished I could get more but FW purchases are a special event deal for me. So happy I can get some plastic Mk3 and get 30 more marines in it.

And yes, I am trying to build a full Chapter, for display purposes, so 1000 Marines plus the Company and Chapter Commands, and the Librarians, and the Chaplins, and special Marines that aren't counted in the 1000 and are part of the Reclusiam. Yeah, I'm pretty nuts!

I (and GW) love this push to make entire Chapters.

For me, I want to reorganize my SMs as a proper demi-Company.

I gotta get at least three of these boxes so I can sprinkle the armor around my units, probably going to put them as my WG and characters.

str00dles1 wrote:
Scale Creep - The sizes are all the same. GW doesn't do scale well and isn't going to change anytime soon. Fully expect sisters to be the same size as. If you look at the latest vid posted 3 days ago on Warhammer TV, they are same height as marines. Deathwatch isn't bigger.

I did lol on the Greigor prospero burns vid though. "Russ with a heavy heart released the wolfs" He was actually more then willing to murder thousand sons, soooo no heavy heart there.

The "poster" for thousand sons, while cool, is kinda off. It wasn't their thirst for knowledge that damned them, Magnus sold them off to Tzeentch long time ago.

He was willing to do it when it needed to be done (in his mind at least) but he didn't necessarily want to do it - in Prospero Burns he pleads with Magnus to make it bloodless.

When the pre-order starts 22nd Oct. Is it then a week before it's available to purchase in stores?

The following Saturday, yes.

Tnx.

Guess I'll have to pick up a box. I have little interest in the SoS and less in the Custodes, but I suspect those might be highly sought after on the 2nd hand market so it shouldn't be too hard to get a fair chunk of the investment back.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
That's a chicken & egg defense there. Custodes and esp. Deathwatch don't need to be any bigger. Nor anything else. But GW keeps doing it.

That said, my non-SM (IG, Eldars, Inquisition) are all metal, precisely because they scale well with the SM plastics.

Custodes actually NEED to be bigger. They have been described as bigger very long. If miniatures were same size it would be violating fluff.

Now of course you can arque fluff is wrong but that fluff was created loooooong before this release was even dreamed up by somebody.

Well, I just ordered Betrayal at Calth. Somehow, I doubt it will stay in production after this new box.

I am curious on which part of the 30K lore they will visit next.

Betrayal at Calth and now The Burning of Prospero.
Next the outcast dead? World eaters? Alpha legion (40 space marines and you have to find who the Alpha legion infiltrator is, in the end we are Alpharius! )

Or because they brought back Genestealer cult the next will be slann or Fimir? Ambul madness? )

The battle of Phall would be neat. An upgrade sprue for Breachers would be very, very hot.

 BrookM wrote:
The battle of Phall would be neat. An upgrade sprue for Breachers would be very, very hot.

Man, if they do that and I wasted my money on the SW v. TS boxed set, I will be quite unhappy with myself. I am going to be using Shapeways to get shields for all of my Mk III Marines (YAY Breachers!). I will probably pay a buttload more than I would if they do box with a Breacher Upgrade Sprue.

Phall definitely would have been a cool boxed set. Perhaps have a Warsmith character, but who knows what they would put in for a Fists character.

The more I think about it, I am keeping the Sisters of Silence. I need to come up with a good color scheme for them. I am thinking a lighter gold or silver and bright blue and white.