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tneva82 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.

I'm going to be brutally honest here.

Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.

Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.

nekooni wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.

And AoD does contain unit rules.

It only contained rules for new models. As stupid as it sounds, by Traitor Legions, the Thousand Sons models won't be "new models", they'll be the previous release. Well, maybe they'll be in there, but likely not. I was responding to this:

 Roknar wrote:

So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units?

Angels of Death didn't include rules for, say, Bikers or Scouts or Drop Pods, but there were formations that required those units. It's a paradigm that we are used to.

but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user

How do you do this? I see no option for this under Forum Tools?


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Nvm, found it though it's pretty clunky.
You first have to search forum users, then find the users profile and in there you will find: Search through all posts by...

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user

How do you do this? I see no option for this under Forum Tools?

Forum Tools -> Member List -> Find a Specific Member -> Go to their profile -> Search through all posts by *name*

Could be easier tho

Requizen wrote:

nekooni wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.

And AoD does contain unit rules.

It only contained rules for new models. As stupid as it sounds, by Traitor Legions, the Thousand Sons models won't be "new models", they'll be the previous release. Well, maybe they'll be in there, but likely not. I was responding to this:

 Roknar wrote:

So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units?

Angels of Death didn't include rules for, say, Bikers or Scouts or Drop Pods, but there were formations that required those units. It's a paradigm that we are used to.

Were those entirely new units though? Angels of death is a supplement and requires the base codex to play, which includes those units.
By comparison this would be a supplement for both the base codex and the wrath of magnus campaign book and you would need both books to play traitor legions. It would be a supplement for a supplement.
As far as I know you only need codex csm to play traitor legions as advertised.

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.

I'm going to be brutally honest here.

Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.

Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.

It was Atia and there were screenshots of her blog confirming it.
I posted the images in the plastic SOB thread.
Here's the link for convenience.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/705042.page#8956487

Requizen wrote:

nekooni wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.

And AoD does contain unit rules.

It only contained rules for new models. As stupid as it sounds, by Traitor Legions, the Thousand Sons models won't be "new models", they'll be the previous release. Well, maybe they'll be in there, but likely not. I was responding to this:

 Roknar wrote:

So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units?

Angels of Death didn't include rules for, say, Bikers or Scouts or Drop Pods, but there were formations that required those units. It's a paradigm that we are used to.

Playing Devil's Advocate really quickly, but Traitor Legions is being marketed as a Supplement to Chaos Space Marines, not Thousand Sons and Chaos Space Marines.

I would be really surprised not to see the new Thousand Sons stuff within it. I'm being kind of hopeful that we see Contemptor, Tartaros, and Cataphractii rules in there as well.


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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.

I'm going to be brutally honest here.

Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.

Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.

It was Atia and there were screenshots of her blog confirming it.
I posted the images in the plastic SOB thread.
Here's the link for convenience.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/705042.page#8956487

Awesome, great to see.

But that doesn't change my point. It's important to note the difference between "Well I read from soandso site that Lady Atia or Sad Panda said..." and "Here's Lady Atia or Sad Panda saying...".

Always, always, always look for the confirmation or direct source. Lady Atia and Sad Panda don't try to hide things when they're discussing rumors.

Skimmed over Atia and Sad Pandas posts but saw no mention of Plastic Sisters, no mention in the last 2 months if I didn't miss it.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Requizen wrote:

nekooni wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Traitor Legions won't have rules for any units. It's essentially going to be the Chaos version of Angels of Death.

And AoD does contain unit rules.

It only contained rules for new models. As stupid as it sounds, by Traitor Legions, the Thousand Sons models won't be "new models", they'll be the previous release. Well, maybe they'll be in there, but likely not. I was responding to this:

 Roknar wrote:

So if traitor legions doesn't include the rules for the the new units, how could they put up formations that require those units?

Angels of Death didn't include rules for, say, Bikers or Scouts or Drop Pods, but there were formations that required those units. It's a paradigm that we are used to.

Playing Devil's Advocate really quickly, but Traitor Legions is being marketed as a Supplement to Chaos Space Marines, not Thousand Sons and Chaos Space Marines.

I would be really surprised not to see the new Thousand Sons stuff within it. I'm being kind of hopeful that we see Contemptor, Tartaros, and Cataphractii rules in there as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if all if they were in there either. But I guess it really depends on GW's whims.

You can play Traitor Legions as is with just the CSM codex - especially if you're playing anything other than Thousand Sons. But I would imagine they will be in there so people don't riot about having to buy two new books. But I guess if you really want to just play Thousand Sons, just get the Thousand Sons book? idk we'll just have to wait and see.

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.

I'm going to be brutally honest here.

Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.

Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.

While I agree with what you said about BoLS, I am pretty sure "Lady" Atia is copying from Sad Panda and very much so just echos whatever someone else says with slight twists.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

It was Atia and there were screenshots of her blog confirming it.
I posted the images in the plastic SOB thread.
Here's the link for convenience.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/705042.page#8956487

This just means they are coming, this we already know from the GW bin teaser. The question on everyones mind atm is when. Jan is pretty much the only free slot atm afaik unless they release allot of Chaos stuff with Abbadont. If I remember correctly Feb was suppose to be AoS stuff or Chaos Stuff.

 tastytaste wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.

I'm going to be brutally honest here.

Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.

Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.

While I agree with what you said about BoLS, I am pretty sure "Lady" Atia is copying from Sad Panda and very much so just echos whatever someone else says with slight twists.

She's not. Lady Atia is a very reliable source of exclusive info. End of discussion.

The thing is, if this was a normal company, not requiring wrath of magnus and not including the new units would mean that traitor legions would not have the wrath of magnus formations. But TSons also get a decurion in traitor legions, so by extension, that would mean they would get a different decurion based on only the csm units.

Which is why I'm so interested to know whether or not you can replace the csm profiles with the new units. That way you could still use wrath of magnus with traitor legions and also traitors hate.

 Roknar wrote:
The thing is, if this was a normal company, not requiring wrath of magnus and not including the new units would mean that traitor legions would not have the wrath of magnus formations. But TSons also get a decurion in traitor legions, so by extension, that would mean they would get a different decurion based on only the csm units.

Which is why I'm so interested to know whether or not you can replace the csm profiles with the new units. That way you could still use wrath of magnus with traitor legions and also traitors hate.

I doubt it for Traitor's Hate, because that's a supplement in and of itself.

Well if they were like cataphractii for loyalists, you could do it. Those are like kytans right? Wherever you can take normal terminators, you can take cataphractii instead. Likewise you could use scarab terminators instead of normal terminators. Haven't heard anybody confirm that's possible one way or another but that would be pretty cool.

 RedFox wrote:

 tastytaste wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.

I'm going to be brutally honest here.

Lady Atia and Sad Panda have a great track record...but BoLS, Naftka, and Faeit have at times posted Atia and Sad Panda's rumors up with slight 'tweaks' from their own wishlists.
I don't know whether it's on purpose to try to make Atia and Sad Panda look bad, if they don't know how to add a postscript, or what but it's important to actually find the posts from Lady Atia and/or Sad Panda to figure out what they actually said.

Pretre and his Rumor Tracker do a great job of this, but you can also search posts on Dakka based on user.

While I agree with what you said about BoLS, I am pretty sure "Lady" Atia is copying from Sad Panda and very much so just echos whatever someone else says with slight twists.

She's not. Lady Atia is a very reliable source of exclusive info. End of discussion.

Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.

Neronoxx wrote:


Yeah, if you believe that Lady atia just copies Sad Panda you probably aren't at all familiar with the two. In fact, since the white dwarf switchover Sad Panda has been extremely silent - he might be done. Atia has been going strong before during and after - praise her efforts. Good shot at appearing informed though.

I think everything you needed to know came from the fact that he put 'lady' in quotations.

I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.

I'll gladly accept plastic SoB models existence once I actually see pictures of the models. But we have nothing but talk. And the last few dozen times we had nothing but talk, nothing was delivered. And looking down on me, as a few people in this thread are, for expecting more of the same, is jackass behavior.

HURT 2 MANY TIMEZ

Just kidding ... kind of. I don't doubt they are coming, rationally. But I'm not going to get excited until I see the pics.

Indeed. No one is obligated to share the hype.

 Melissia wrote:
I personnally, don't view ANY rumor posters offering vagaries and no real evidence to be 100% reliable. No one is an Oracle.

I'll gladly accept plastic SoB models existence once I actually see pictures of the models. But we have nothing but talk. And the last few dozen times we had nothing but talk, nothing was delivered. And looking down on me, as a few people in this thread are, for expecting more of the same, is jackass behavior.

What about a rumour from the GW design team? Since that's the state of play presently, you can be sure something is on the horizon and with the appearance of sisters of silence, I'd expect them to look similar.

kronk wrote:

 Cothonian wrote:
I am really looking forward to Codex Imperial Agents. No more having to buy 3+ codex's for armies with only four or five units.

Agreed. That, and I prefer hard copies to electronica by like x45 or at least x44.7.

Is this a codex or supplement? I don't think this will replace anything so you are still going to need the SoB codex or what not and will not replace them totally. I could be wrong but I am going by the rumour of "no more new codices" so we will still need 3+ books. Please correct me if I am wrong as usual.

We've gotten rumors from the gw design team in the past and gotten nothing from it.

So no, that's still not convincing.

Cold, hard evidence. Nothing less.

Atia's blog is now probably the best place for GW rumors https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/

 Melissia wrote:
We've gotten rumors from the gw design team in the past and gotten nothing from it.

So no, that's still not convincing.

Cold, hard evidence. Nothing less.

Then don't read rumors if you're just going to complain about how they aren't substantial? It's easy. Just close the window if you don't agree with things.

I will admit to being a little nervous now - no one seems to be chattering about what is contained in Codex Imperial Agents.

You'd think someone might know what units were contained within.

But I will beleave something as and when it goes up on Atia's blog.

I check occasionally just in case someone actually has something substamtial. Because, tho I have no expectation of it happening, it'd still be nice if it happened

As for why I post more than once, when people respond to me, I respond back, as part of the ongoing conversation. This is common sense., and it boggles the mind that you'd be confused by it.

Can we not talk about me, now?

Commisar wrote:
I will admit to being a little nervous now - no one seems to be chattering about what is contained in Codex Imperial Agents.

You'd think someone might know what units were contained within.

But I will beleave something as and when it goes up on Atia's blog.

We know what units were mentioned in the White Dwarf blurb. It's a few weeks out, that's pretty far for rumor mongers that aren't insiders. And those ones have been riding the CSM hype train.

tneva82 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Which remains nothing but vaguaries and no hard evidence.

Gw hinted at them and guys with pretty much 100 accuracy said they are coming.

They are coming.

And who was that?

It was either sad panda or attia. Don't know anxthing those have said that was false. So while gw might have joked(they couldbe stupid enough) with this...well white dwarf has more errors than those two combined.

Here's what Sad Panda said about sisters:



And Atia:


So, no, neither of them have weighed in on SOB.

I think it's time to lock this thread until we get the first solid info from Imperial Agents. This week and the next will be the Traitor Legion stuff but after this we should get some solid info.

If the Imperial Agents codex has the old metal minis in it then I'd assume it's a safe bet we wont see Sisters until a week before 8E so they are invalidated in the same fashion the 2E or 3E was.