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Why are people complaining about the heels? Suddenly 40k has to be "realistic"? Nobodys complaining that thhe Imperial Fists go into battle wearing pee yellow.

shade1313 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The model is well made even if I don't like the style. I guess this all but confirms plastic sisters are on the way now. Please GW answer the Kroot fans we've been wanting Kroot Mercenaries/Army book for awhile now. Hit it out of the park please.

You can have your kroot stuff so long as I'm not forced to take the things in my Tau army.

Never cared for them, don't intend to ever use any.

I'll take Kroot mercs. Tau are over saturated with suits now. How about more auxiliaries and vehicles, like a heavy tank or flier that looks dangerous.

I also think I am going to buy this model just to have. I traded off the 50odd metal sisters I had and have no interest in starting a new sisters army, but this model and maybe a squad in the Imperial agents book I can see doing.

I have a case of over 100 metal Sisters that I have had for over 10 years, unpainted, sitting in my basement. I'd love to see them on the tabletop.

 BBAP wrote:
I'm a Sisters player too. At least I used to be. Now I'm a Sisters collector. The post wasn't a jab at the Sisters; it was an ironic reflection on how Sisters have changed over time as GW tries to cater to the "deplorable virgin manchild" demographic. The Sisters used to be Space Fanatics who did a nice line in Big Damn Hero bad-assery and were so pious their belief could do magic tricks. Now they wear skull-bras and high heels to war.

Seeing the model is direct copy of 2nd ed codex art one could say new model brings sisters right back to how they used to be...

If there's been change away from what they were originally then this is change back right to what they were from the get-go.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

shade1313 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
The model is well made even if I don't like the style. I guess this all but confirms plastic sisters are on the way now. Please GW answer the Kroot fans we've been wanting Kroot Mercenaries/Army book for awhile now. Hit it out of the park please.

You can have your kroot stuff so long as I'm not forced to take the things in my Tau army.

Never cared for them, don't intend to ever use any.

I'll take Kroot mercs. Tau are over saturated with suits now. How about more auxiliaries and vehicles, like a heavy tank or flier that looks dangerous.

I also think I am going to buy this model just to have. I traded off the 50odd metal sisters I had and have no interest in starting a new sisters army, but this model and maybe a squad in the Imperial agents book I can see doing.

There are two ways I see them possibly going about this. First they could make the Kroot/Vespid/X Auxiliary into their own army. Probably the Kroot stand the most chance of this. If GW decides for some reason not do this then they could possibly do a Tau Auxiliaries Codex or if the sales of the new plastic sisters really makes them balk then we can hope for new models for them in the next Tau update and maybe a new aux unit. Also I too would love to see more Tau vehicles and a hovering stealth spaceship/aircraft that acts like the Deathwatch Corvus Blackstar mixed with a Comanche Helicopter Gunship and offers aerial fire support and stays on the battlefield by hovering (but can fly like a jet if needed). It would be cool to see a next generation crisis suit as well just to see a smaller suit release again. The next generation suit would incorporate experimental technology accrued over the course of the last few release and make them standard (and likely very pricey suits). This would represent a next generation crisis suit meant to entirely replace them in the far future and not simply a model update of the crisis. The F-15 Eagle has had many design variations and improvements over its lifetime but it slowly being superseded by newer better aircraft that fill its roll like the F-22 (just as an example).

Stunning sculpt. I haven't played 40K for years but I'm tempted to buy this just to have painted and sat on the shelf. Such an iconic piece of art, and brilliantly realised. Would be very happy if the new Sisters went back to the original concept as this one has; huge shoulderpads and high heels FTW. Well played, GW.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I have a case of over 100 metal Sisters that I have had for over 10 years, unpainted, sitting in my basement. I'd love to see them on the tabletop.

And what was stopping you ten years ago? You clearly ain't that interested in the army if its sat there for all that time unpainted.

Hm.. let me fix the pose in your minds :
Imagine a serv polishing/adjusting her boot...

I see since I went to sleep last night that some the criticisms moved into real-world fat-shaming and straight-up sexism. Stay classy, mandolly fans.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I have a case of over 100 metal Sisters that I have had for over 10 years, unpainted, sitting in my basement. I'd love to see them on the tabletop.

And what was stopping you ten years ago? You clearly ain't that interested in the army if its sat there for all that time unpainted.

Life got in the way. I got married, bought a house, bought a business, had two kids, and I have a backlog of over 1500 miniatures to paint ( I have like 17 40k armies). With super-bad rules and a non-printed codex Sisters have been on the back-burner for a while. (I hate not having a physical book).

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I see since I went to sleep last night that some the criticisms moved into real-world fat-shaming and straight-up sexism. Stay classy, mandolly fans.

I'm not 100% sure i followed what mad cow is trying to imply with his post, but im not taking it as meaning anything nice towords that poor cosplayer lady...


As a smart man once said...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

This is an absolute dumpster fire of a thread.

 cuda1179 wrote:

I have like 17 40k armies).

I think I see the problem.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
I see since I went to sleep last night that some the criticisms moved into real-world fat-shaming and straight-up sexism. Stay classy, mandolly fans.

So true.

As for the "zipper" bits on the model... that's the cabling a la Astartes

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people complaining about the heels? Suddenly 40k has to be "realistic"? Nobodys complaining that thhe Imperial Fists go into battle wearing pee yellow.

It's not a question of realism, but of coherency (probably Ive misswritten that). I mean: sisters of battle are NUNS! They doesn't wabt to seduce, but to purge! So i could understand a "flamer boot" but not a "heels boot".

 Ezr91aeL wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people complaining about the heels? Suddenly 40k has to be "realistic"? Nobodys complaining that thhe Imperial Fists go into battle wearing pee yellow.

It's not a question of realism, but of coherency (probably Ive misswritten that). I mean: sisters of battle are NUNS! They doesn't wabt to seduce, but to purge! So i could understand a "flamer boot" but not a "heels boot".

I could say no, no they are not nuns, they are part of a fictional religious order in a fictional universe set in a fictional future and bear only the most passing resemblance to female religious orders in the real world.

I could also say that they are warrior nuns, and intimidation is a fair tactic so heels might in some odd sense be rational. Moreover, one imagines that SoBs, like most people have several sets of clothes which may well include a 'combat' set of armor with flat boots and a rational chest plate as well as a ceremonial/intimidating set with heels for additional height and other impractical but cool details.

I could.

But then I'd be adding fuel to this dumpster fire of a thread.

 Ezr91aeL wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people complaining about the heels? Suddenly 40k has to be "realistic"? Nobodys complaining that thhe Imperial Fists go into battle wearing pee yellow.

It's not a question of realism, but of coherency (probably Ive misswritten that). I mean: sisters of battle are NUNS! They doesn't wabt to seduce, but to purge! So i could understand a "flamer boot" but not a "heels boot".

It's their style, that's it. It's meant to underline that they're women and not men at arms, which is the whole reason for their existance. See, there's your reasoning. Sure, it's totally "lets make up some bs to justify the boots and looks overall". But it's part of what SoB are. They're not just nuns.

But to answer the original question: Probably because the same people shouted at RH - infamous for cheesecakey female miniatures - for having heels on their not-sisters, stating that having heels on a miniature would be the same as sending them the miniature completely destroyed by a blender or something similar.

ERJAK wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Looking at them side by side it is an interesting translation. Pretty bang on with the details as well. I mean, I still don't like it, but that's because I've never liked the original artwork. Gimme awesome looking sisters with their cool helmets any day of the week.

 pretre wrote:
I find myself praying for the release so that this thread will be put out of its misery and we can all move on.

Move on? Sisters players?

I really should clarify: When I said before that I wasn't trying to antagonise Sisters players, I was telling the truth. You don't need to try to antagonise them.

It is tiresome to listen to 14-55 year old white men (statistically) Argue ad nauseum about modern feminist theory as it relates to boobplates, stripper heels, and latex dominatrix outfits on miniature toy soldiers but then I just remind myself that hey, at least they're not Chaos players. Seriously, those guys complain about PLASTIC KITS, like, the absolute definition of first world problems.

That's a nice ad-homniem, but it turns out that it doesn't matter who's making the point or claim - all that matters is the substance of the problem. So the 'muh white males' point is meaningless and isn't an argument. And no matter how much one degrades the problem, people have a right to complain especially.

And we even get a jab at Chaos Players, how original. Amazingly the poster isn't lazy and doesn't just to reduce them to whiners (often the easier route, as if someone is complaining, no matter the content of their point they're obviously whiners) but instead goes for a somewhat more complex point of "but you received something, but you still complain" fallacy.

nekooni wrote:

 Ezr91aeL wrote:


It's not a question of realism, but of coherency (probably Ive misswritten that). I mean: sisters of battle are NUNS! They doesn't wabt to seduce, but to purge! So i could understand a "flamer boot" but not a "heels boot".

It's their style, that's it. It's meant to underline that they're women and not men at arms, which is the whole reason for their existance. See, there's your reasoning. Sure, it's totally "lets make up some bs to justify the boots and looks overall". But it's part of what SoB are. They're not just nuns.

And thats why they have boobplates: femminility but not seduction. SoB should rappresent purity, a purity so strong that they will purge everything, a purity so strong that, even their god is NOT a god, they do miracles anyway. They should not be space-domimatrix-sluts, for that there is Slaanesh.

But to answer the original question: Probably because the same people shouted at RH - infamous for cheesecakey female miniatures - for having heels on their not-sisters, stating that having heels on a miniature would be the same as sending them the miniature completely destroyed by a blender or something similar.

This is the same Imperium of man which sends space marines into battle with bright shining armor and giant flagpoles on there back - and imperial guard regiments regularly go into battle in full dress uniform complete with gold braid?

I get that some peaple would like to see sensible female miniatures in the style of the cadians and catachans. That would be cool, I really hope that when GW redo imperial guard we get mixed gender squads.

However, this is not what sisters of battle are for. Sisters of battle have always been, aesthetically, full on grimdark silliness. They are the female equivalent of the Black Templars, Blood Angels or Dark Angels rather then the Cadians or Elysians or Catachans.

I think this model is -amazing- all at once lampooning fascist iconography and religious iconography. It ticks the box of what the imperium is about. The only way this model could scream 40k harder is if she had a bright green Mohawk to boot.

Wanting realistic fighting women with sensible uniforms and tactics is a fine aim, but that's never what sisters of battle are or should be about. What you want are female cadians. Which I agree, should exist.


Serious question:
Who wants to see a sisters of battle full army list in the agents of the imperium book?

On the one hand it would be new rules faster.

On the other hand, we would be the only one of the three Chambers Millitant not to get our own proper codex...

I don't know why people are bitching so much over what's obviously a display piece over a gaming piece. Something that's almost a 1-2-1 match of a 20+ year piece of artwork. It's obviously not going to come with any options, so why all the whining? If and when the new codex and models come, they're going to be based on the newer aesthetic seen is the shield of baal supplement over this.

The only real problem I've seen with it is the paintjob on the face. But I've already seen an excellent Photoshop that's given her softer features and made it look infinitely better.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't know why people are bitching so much over what's obviously a display piece over a gaming piece. Something that's almost a 1-2-1 match of a 20+ year piece of artwork. It's obviously not going to come with any options, so why all the whining? If and when the new codex and models come, they're going to be based on the newer aesthetic seen is the shield of baal supplement over this.

The only real problem I've seen with it is the paintjob on the face. But I've already seen an excellent Photoshop that's given her softer features and made it look infinitely better.

This is 100% Correct.

I feel that IF sisters come the thread will divide into those who crow Sexism, those who insult other people and don't get called on it, and finally some who like them.

Honestly when we don't get new sisters stuff because of the knee jerk reaction of GW to pull them. Because of those who want to control everything with their own preconception, that and I quote from perhaps the most influential person in (modern) video games " everything is sexist, Everything is racist. And you have to point it out ".

We only have ourselves to blame. But hey at least we will get more Stormhosts and Space Marines right?..

Calling people Manchildren, or blaming white males for everything, or writing insane sexist posts is not going to help anyone. This is a hobby, it's supposed to be fun. Then again people have to stick their oar in and make sure we follow the correct narrative.

Anyway ill be buying two, if I can.

S.Y.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
But I've already seen an excellent Photoshop that's given her softer features and made it look infinitely better.

Could you please provide a link to said photo?

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
But I've already seen an excellent Photoshop that's given her softer features and made it look infinitely better.

Could you please provide a link to said photo?

It's on /tg/ on 4chan. I don't have access at the moment, but i'll see if I can find it again tonight.

OH!
That Reminds Me!
I need to go and Cast some Sabbat Pattern Helmets!

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I don't know why people are bitching so much over what's obviously a display piece over a gaming piece. Something that's almost a 1-2-1 match of a 20+ year piece of artwork. It's obviously not going to come with any options, so why all the whining? If and when the new codex and models come, they're going to be based on the newer aesthetic seen is the shield of baal supplement over this.

Exactly, it's just like the 30th anniversary marine. You can stick it in your regular army but it's going to look a bit off. Most the elements people have an issue with are down to it being an homage, and on that level it works very well.

Hideously bad model. Heels, Skullbreasts, Corset armour, bob haircut. This is John Blanche's fetish. Here's a chance for a Dark Eldar style re-envisioning, a chance to drop the campy, BDSM style mid-90's look and do something original. And instead you get this rather naff tired look.

I can't get over those heels... Presumably, they're chunky because she keeps twisting her ankle in battle.

 zedmeister wrote:
Hideously bad model. Heels, Skullbreasts, Corset armour, bob haircut. This is John Blanche's fetish. Here's a chance for a Dark Eldar style re-envisioning, a chance to drop the campy, BDSM style mid-90's look and do something original.

The point of this model is not to reimagine the sisters or show the future direction of the range. It is meant to resemble a specific older model or art-piece, just done with modern technology and materials. No different than the design process that went into Ahriman, Kharn, Eldrad, or the Imperial Space Marine.

 zedmeister wrote:
Hideously bad model. Heels, Skullbreasts, Corset armour, bob haircut. This is John Blanche's fetish. Here's a chance for a Dark Eldar style re-envisioning, a chance to drop the campy, BDSM style mid-90's look and do something original. And instead you get this rather naff tired look.

I can't get over those heels... Presumably, they're chunky because she keeps twisting her ankle in battle.

You want the model modelled after a mid 90s picture to drop the mid 90s picture look that its modelled after? They've recreated the art, that's all. It could just be a 20th anniversary collectors model and not indicative of the range at all. May not even be an indicator of the range being released soon.

I really wish they'd dropped the chunky mid 90s modelling on this marine. Ruined it

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
But I've already seen an excellent Photoshop that's given her softer features and made it look infinitely better.

Could you please provide a link to said photo?

It's on /tg/ on 4chan. I don't have access at the moment, but i'll see if I can find it again tonight.

Couldn't find it, looked in all 5 threads about the model and found nothing :(

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
This is an absolute dumpster fire of a thread.

This can't be quoted enough, until this thread gets locked