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 Gamgee wrote:
People like sex and have it in weird ways. Is this really worthy of news. There's nothing wrong with it. It's not like anything else in 40k is realistic and it's not like this is going to draw in more girl players since this is ultimately minature wargaming and just seems to not appeal to them. Even among women there are those who love looking good and sexy all the time and those who are okay not being like that and then all the other average ones in between.

This is an absolute dumpster fire of a thread.

 General Annoyance wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I like the art

but the translation to mini form has given her gw 'human' proportions rather than the long thin legs of the art work resulting in a much less appealing (to me anyway) short stocky canoness (the torso is probably a bit chunky too, but that wouldn't matter if the leg length was closer to the art). It looses the 'strangely inhuman' look of a lot of the blanche art

At last, a quantifiable reason why this model could be considered to be sub par. Have an Exalt.

Here is a comparison pic with both figs the same height. My issue is that all of the detail is much larger on the sculpt than it is in the illustration: knee guards, bolter, boob skulls, shoulder pad winged skull, all of the sword detail, corset detail, etc. Sculptor also missed the great flare and point of the outer edge of the shoulder pad. All of it is oversize and drastically changes the look of the fig. May well be that the sculptor was not able to do the smaller detail, but still... Do we have any idea who the sculptor was? I suspect that it was not Jes.

There have been cults of sexuality through the ages believe it or not. I really don't care. It's the barest minimum of "sexualizing".

The slaaneshi stuff is usually way more sexualized even magnus is with his big ass horn nipples lol. The Dark Eldar could use some more here and there sure but not just the physical and visual aspects of the DE themselves. Would be a very dark eldar to have an updated raider upgraded with torture racks of just captured people being electrocuted as the DE are zooming around. The DE themselves don't have to be the only ones sexualized.

A kid looks at it and just sees torture, but the adults get the sexual undertones. As a Dark Eldar fan I would be cool with all of this.

Kid Kyoto what makes it a dumpster fire of a thread? I'm just conversing politely.

I've already said this, but feel like reiterating-- ultimately, I think it's actually better than the art, though granted that's a low standard (it's pretty trash-tier art). The miniature's legs actually look like power armor rather than a jumpsuit, the miniature's face has more personality rather than being a boring bland fake pornstar pout, the angle of the miniature's feet is a little less stupid, her miniature's is more confident in how she's holding the weapon rather than having it pulled back behind her as if she's not sure how to hold it, and so on.

I mean, the pose is still trash, but as far as adaptations go, it took a bad piece of art and made an okay miniature out of it, so kudos to the sculptor.

str00dles1 wrote:
Except my horrible taste comment had nothing to do with sisters of battle, it was your sexism towards women that you decided to post, thinking it was funny, when its idiotic

My comment had everything to do with Sisters of Battle though. I explained why I said what I said, and I'm not going to rehash it for your benefit. If you think it's actionable even in context, report it. We'll see if it has a place here.

If you don't like it because it rustles your Jimmies... I dunno what to tell you. Can't please everyone, I guess.




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 Gamgee wrote:
There have been cults of sexuality through the ages believe it or not. I really don't care. It's the barest minimum of "sexualizing".

The slaaneshi stuff is usually way more sexualized even magnus is with his big ass horn nipples lol. The Dark Eldar could use some more here and there sure but not just the physical and visual aspects of the DE themselves. Would be a very dark eldar to have an updated raider upgraded with torture racks of just captured people being electrocuted as the DE are zooming around. The DE themselves don't have to be the only ones sexualized.

A kid looks at it and just sees torture, but the adults get the sexual undertones. As a Dark Eldar fan I would be cool with all of this.

Kid Kyoto what makes it a dumpster fire of a thread? I'm just conversing politely.

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timd wrote:

 General Annoyance wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I like the art

but the translation to mini form has given her gw 'human' proportions rather than the long thin legs of the art work resulting in a much less appealing (to me anyway) short stocky canoness (the torso is probably a bit chunky too, but that wouldn't matter if the leg length was closer to the art). It looses the 'strangely inhuman' look of a lot of the blanche art

At last, a quantifiable reason why this model could be considered to be sub par. Have an Exalt.

Here is a comparison pic with both figs the same height. My issue is that all of the detail is much larger on the sculpt than it is in the illustration: knee guards, bolter, boob skulls, shoulder pad winged skull, all of the sword detail, corset detail, etc. Sculptor also missed the great flare and point of the outer edge of the shoulder pad. All of it is oversize and drastically changes the look of the fig. May well be that the sculptor was not able to do the smaller detail, but still... Do we have any idea who the sculptor was? I suspect that it was not Jes.

This isn't really a good comparison, because the cover art figure what what, 6 inches tall, and the mini is at most 1 1/2. If you put the cover art on the table along side the mini the mini details would be much smaller.

I wonder if GW has determined a minimum size for skulls on models and used that. Anything else would probably be unrecognizable.

Also... if those are human skulls (in the artwork) they are probably from infants. Perhaps the cannoness isn't all there, if you know what I mean.

timd wrote:

Spoiler:

My issue is that all of the detail is much larger on the sculpt than it is in the illustration: knee guards, bolter, boob skulls, shoulder pad winged skull, all of the sword detail, corset detail, etc. Sculptor also missed the great flare and point of the outer edge of the shoulder pad. All of it is oversize and drastically changes the look of the fig. May well be that the sculptor was not able to do the smaller detail, but still... Do we have any idea who the sculptor was? I suspect that it was not Jes.

I think the detail kinda has to be this way for it not to be uberfragile in 28mm. It might be doable at 54mm, but definitely at 100mm. It is a good likeness for what it is.

That said, my biggest issue with the sculpt is that it misses the point of the original artwork. The original is pure fetlife: latex bodysuit, waist-cinching corset, and fetish heels. It is pure bondage wear. The sculpt looks like it might be armor of some sort. So it's a clear failure in capturing the artist's intent.

So here's an interesting experiment try to put yourself in that pose... Now I'm not the most graceful person in the world but I tried it (with my right foot on a very stable table instead of a precarious skull) I could maintain that for about 5 seconds

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

timd wrote:

Spoiler:

My issue is that all of the detail is much larger on the sculpt than it is in the illustration: knee guards, bolter, boob skulls, shoulder pad winged skull, all of the sword detail, corset detail, etc. Sculptor also missed the great flare and point of the outer edge of the shoulder pad. All of it is oversize and drastically changes the look of the fig. May well be that the sculptor was not able to do the smaller detail, but still... Do we have any idea who the sculptor was? I suspect that it was not Jes.

I think the detail kinda has to be this way for it not to be uberfragile in 28mm. It might be doable at 54mm, but definitely at 100mm. It is a good likeness for what it is.

That said, my biggest issue with the sculpt is that it misses the point of the original artwork. The original is pure fetlife: latex bodysuit, waist-cinching corset, and fetish heels. It is pure bondage wear. The sculpt looks like it might be armor of some sort. So it's a clear failure in capturing the artist's intent.

Good, because the artist's intent was gak.

Wereaardvark wrote:
So here's an interesting experiment try to put yourself in that pose... Now I'm not the most graceful person in the world but I tried it (with my right foot on a very stable table instead of a precarious skull) I could maintain that for about 5 seconds

Just did it for 30 seconds. How old are people in this forum again? Also I am fat. Not like mega fat but fat. Perhaps my bands of blubber were acting like wings to balance me? Hahaha.

First SOB mini in a looooong time. I'm Happy. However, here's to a future WITHOUT boob armor.

 Gamgee wrote:

Wereaardvark wrote:
So here's an interesting experiment try to put yourself in that pose... Now I'm not the most graceful person in the world but I tried it (with my right foot on a very stable table instead of a precarious skull) I could maintain that for about 5 seconds

Just did it for 30 seconds. How old are people in this forum again? Also I am fat. Not like mega fat but fat. Perhaps my bands of blubber were acting like wings to balance me? Hahaha.

Exalted.

I was also doing that pose whilst reading this thread. And scratching myself.

The mini is fine, though I think if I were to buy one I'd adjust the left leg, it's too high.

I'm not a sisters player, but that's such an iconic art piece that I think I need to try and get one.

Also, in all the years of seeing the picture, I never noticed before that she has skull boobs on her breastplate.

IMO I would have preferred the pout over the what we got. The first thing that came to mind was ms swan from madtv. Blanche has done more fetishistic stuff than this....

 Gamgee wrote:
The model is well made even if I don't like the style. I guess this all but confirms plastic sisters are on the way now. Please GW answer the Kroot fans we've been wanting Kroot Mercenaries/Army book for awhile now. Hit it out of the park please.

You can have your kroot stuff so long as I'm not forced to take the things in my Tau army.

Never cared for them, don't intend to ever use any.

 Gamgee wrote:

Wereaardvark wrote:
So here's an interesting experiment try to put yourself in that pose... Now I'm not the most graceful person in the world but I tried it (with my right foot on a very stable table instead of a precarious skull) I could maintain that for about 5 seconds

Just did it for 30 seconds. How old are people in this forum again? Also I am fat. Not like mega fat but fat. Perhaps my bands of blubber were acting like wings to balance me? Hahaha.

After reading your posts I decided to try this myself, but I took it to the next level. I actually wore thick heeled cowboy boots, used a life-sized skull replica sitting on my coffee table, while holding my 4-foot sword and machine pistol. Held pose for 1 minute.

Looking at them side by side it is an interesting translation. Pretty bang on with the details as well. I mean, I still don't like it, but that's because I've never liked the original artwork. Gimme awesome looking sisters with their cool helmets any day of the week.

 pretre wrote:
I find myself praying for the release so that this thread will be put out of its misery and we can all move on.

Move on? Sisters players?

I really should clarify: When I said before that I wasn't trying to antagonise Sisters players, I was telling the truth. You don't need to try to antagonise them.

I think it's one of the best models I've seen this year. One of my GW favorites this year as well.
I like the sculptors work: she does look like she's in armor, not in leather suit (which I would be fine with as well- it would make her sleek, more feminine), and it would be odd, if she was the only sister not in power plate.

As it comes to the source material: I love it as well, but it would be nearly impossible to do it 1:1 in 28 mm.

The painter did great work imho- red reflections, tones, the way the sword is done.the only thing that's fluffed is the base- it wouldn't take much effort for them to sculp all of it, not just under the right heel.

Maybe a little hair trim will take us a long way in enhancing the mini.

these threads are always the worst.

The amount of bizarre over-analysis of the sculpt of this miniature, the nature of sexuality, what is and is not appropriate or sexist (boob armor, etc) is kind of mind boggling. I don't see this level of obsession with other model releases, and it makes me wonder if this is one of the reasons it's taken so long for us to see another Sisters release. Can we just appreciate that something is being made at all, and that it is trying to emulate a classic piece of 40k art (disregarding the nature, intent of the art)? Can we just keep our ears to the ground and hope for a full release?

Honestly, the thing I always liked about that art was rather the weirdo ecclesiarchy fellas in the back rather than the sororitas. Dunno, always found those kind of strange, ugly, haggard fanatics decked out in archaic garments and esoteric sybols (engraved bones, golden icons etc.)to be really intriguing whereas SoB have never really done anything for me. Would love to see some models in that vein some time down the line and- oh, I hope they bring back Kyrinov for the made to order release, he's another one I wish I picked up at the time...

Honestly it's GW's fault. They decided that the only female models they'd make would be nuns, amazons or bondage freaks (or y'know, all 3).

If there were more ordinary women among the IG and Space Marine lines their one dedicated female line wouldn't be subjected to this level of... I can't even call it discussion can I?

I think its a really nice model, its really the angle of it that makes it look so awkward.


The base should have a larger sloping pile of stuff for her to stand on so she is tilting more forward rather then in the backwards, super high leg pose she is in in the example pic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Looking at them side by side it is an interesting translation. Pretty bang on with the details as well. I mean, I still don't like it, but that's because I've never liked the original artwork. Gimme awesome looking sisters with their cool helmets any day of the week.

 pretre wrote:
I find myself praying for the release so that this thread will be put out of its misery and we can all move on.

Move on? Sisters players?

I really should clarify: When I said before that I wasn't trying to antagonise Sisters players, I was telling the truth. You don't need to try to antagonise them.

It is tiresome to listen to 14-55 year old white men (statistically) Argue ad nauseum about modern feminist theory as it relates to boobplates, stripper heels, and latex dominatrix outfits on miniature toy soldiers but then I just remind myself that hey, at least they're not Chaos players. Seriously, those guys complain about PLASTIC KITS, like, the absolute definition of first world problems.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Honestly it's GW's fault. They decided that the only female models they'd make would be nuns, amazons or bondage freaks (or y'know, all 3).

If there were more ordinary women among the IG and Space Marine lines their one dedicated female line wouldn't be subjected to this level of... I can't even call it discussion can I?

So to make extrodinary stuff one needs to fill in the ordinary mandatory slot?

It seems to be fine over the Kingdom death thread, where not a single female miniature is without boobs. Oh, and there are VAGINAS AND PENISES as well, but the demographic seems to be more adult about the subject.

If SoB as an army will lose their oddness and wickedness, we will be left with sterile, characterless, mainstream crap. If an artist tries to appeal to everyone by trying not to stand out in a way some people might be displeased about, he`s not much of an artist, and his work will lack any taste. Same thing with sculpting miniatures.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

This is an absolute dumpster fire of a thread.

timd wrote:
Here is a comparison pic with both figs the same height.

Spoiler:

It looks like a man trying to cosplay.

The odd zippers on the legs make them look a bit like tyranid limbs. They're also a bit thick for a company that sculpted Dark Elves/Dark Eldar.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Such a terrible looking model. It's a real shame. We've seen such gems out of GW from sculpts recently. This looks as old and poorly detailed as the old metal sisters. I guess in that respect it will fit in.

Agreed, clear miss imo.

timd wrote:
Do we have any idea who the sculptor was? I suspect that it was not Jes.

If only people would check the article..

This book isn’t accompanying a new range of miniature, but we couldn’t let the release of a new book containing so many awesome sub-factions under the Imperial aegis pass without some sort of model to mark the occasion. So, our Studio Team set sculptor Martin Footit the task of creating an iconic miniature to accompany the book – and he didn’t disappoint.

When I asked my GW rep he said I could order 5 Canonesses and I don't run a GW store. Unless I misunderstood him, waiting for his reply to my order request.
You will also be able to order it from GWs website according to him, expect it to sell out in 2min though...

 Breotan wrote:

It looks like a man trying to cosplay.

Doesn't have to be all bad..................................... dare I say something else?