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 EnTyme wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I would recommend any unhappy sisters player to write a politely worded email to GW. There is concrete evidence that GW is listening to players now (aos points). The exceptional sales of the Canoness, has already proved there is a demand for sisters. The traitor legions book which is full good and interesting rules is sold out in the US. GW needs constant reminding that good fluffy fun to play rules sell minis.

The most important part has been emphasized. More flies with honey and all that.

Also, if you're in the UK or don't mind paying a lot for postage, you could also send a physical letter. Pay more to get signed for delivery and then someone at GW will have to sign for the letter, too. If they get enough physical letters cluttering their desk and have to keep signing for them, then they may take the hint.

 Starfarer wrote:
Oh look, another Sisters player lashing out at anyone they can because they're so hellbent on playing the victim they can't get over the fact they play a neglected, largely irrelevant faction in a game.

That's not what's happening. I'm saying you, personally, are salty and condescending, hence it's no surprise nobody listened to you. Not "anyone" or "everyone". Just you.

You can't barrack people and expect them to respect your opinion on anything. That's some life advice there that'll serve you well beyond 40k discussions on Dakka.

Maybe the solution isn't for the rest of us to go form our own threads but to create a special thread for all 8 of you Sisters players here hellbent on being miserable. You can whine to your heart's content and not suck the life out of every other thread on this board that's not about you.

And my point was that Sisters were always pertinent to the thread, hence were always going to be discussed. If that displeases you, find somewhere else to be. Don't whinge because people are discussing Sisters in a thread where Sisters are pertinent. Don't get sandy because you're not getting asspats.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
To make the army any good you don't want her. She's a lone target that wants to go into melee in an army that doesn't want to do that.

That doesn't mean she's not good. She'll walk through most min squads of anything, including Genestealers, and the 2+/4++/ resurrection means she can bounce a fair bit of shooting for a T3 model. Like I said, if you have space for a CC whopper then she's not a terrible way to spend the points. If not, then you're not going to take her.

The thing I don't get about this angst is how a few sisters players turned January rumors into December rumors, even when GW said there were no plastic models with this release.

It's sad when GW deletes things, but that's part of this game. If no codex is forthcoming, you'll just have to do like the rest of us and hope for points in the 8th brb.

Hmm. Well that's a let down. When I was under the impression that this would include rules for Sisters of Silence and Custodes it looked like a must buy to go with the Prospero box I intend to pick up next weekend.
Now... I can't think of any reason to buy it at all. Maybe the art?

The 40k rules have been available for a while...

They are free and include a formation for each unit so you can instantly use them

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Burning-of-Prospero-ENG (next to the photos -> 'Downloads' tab)


Direct link to the PDF

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Datasheets/Burning%20of%20Prospero%20Imperial%20Datasheets.pdf

 adamsouza wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.

Sad Panda said something to that effect, and then we got Codex: Deathwatch and Codex: Genestealer Cults.

The Adepta Sororitas hype started with the Wrath of Magnus Garbage Can comment about plastic sisters and whipped into a fury with Lady Atia making a comment about SIsters getting support in 2017.

<Checks Calender, and it's still 2016>

There is ZERO conflict with GW pushing existing Adepta Sororitas models, and a limited release figure with Imperial Agents supplement, and then releasing a codex and plastic figures in 2017. If anything, increasing the awareness of Adpeta Sororitas with Imperial Agents would likely only help sales of a future Adepta Sororitas release.

I disagree there's zero conflict with GW pushing existing Sisters models. It'd be some hardcore trolling for them to make an offhand comment about plastic Sisters, then push the metal Sisters alongside a new release codex/supplement/whatever, even putting the aforementioned metals up as a "preorder" for whatever reason, then a couple of months later release plastic sisters.

GW are pretty bad on capitalising on new releases, but that would be bad even for GW.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe GW usually goes dark on a faction in the months leading up to replacing large portions of them rather than actively pushing them (though I guess that's not something they've done for a while).

For now, I'm going to say this release largely decreases the chances of us seeing plastic Sisters in the near future (say, 6 months-ish)

 adamsouza wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.

Sad Panda said something to that effect, and then we got Codex: Deathwatch and Codex: Genestealer Cults.

The Adepta Sororitas hype started with the Wrath of Magnus Garbage Can comment about plastic sisters and whipped into a fury with Lady Atia making a comment about SIsters getting support in 2017.

<Checks Calender, and it's still 2016>

There is ZERO conflict with GW pushing existing Adepta Sororitas models, and a limited release figure with Imperial Agents supplement, and then releasing a codex and plastic figures in 2017. If anything, increasing the awareness of Adpeta Sororitas with Imperial Agents would likely only help sales of a future Adepta Sororitas release.

Agreed.

dan2026 wrote:I will send GW an email.

Polite of course.

I am going to get a scathing for this, but send a self stamped addressed envelope with a hand written or typed out letter instead of email. Unless they don't bother with this anymore, this was the way to get a reply from GW. They always seemed to like the old way of doing things. I am sure they would still appreciate it now even with them accepting the electronic age now.

*edit*

Ah I see it was already said. Didn't think about the part where they have to sign for it. Great idea there.

I don't think we'll see plastic sisters. I think you have to view this as ("made to orders has gone really well, metal castings of old metal models is cheap and easy with no R and D costs, let's put some sisters up on the web store with a book"). Cheap investment that might bring in some additional revenue.


The price of them is crazy though? 140 Australian for your basic squad? I think they were about 33percent cheaper when they were in blisters? So massive price hike? Who can afford that? Was thinking GW was getting better...

Somebody please correct me if I'm getting this wrong.

This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.

Stop the doom and gloom. Sister players just got the most important oop models back for half the price they are currently going on ebay, a unique new model and a few new formations and new henchmen options as a side effect of a codex that is not replacing the codex and the rumours suggest that you will be getting a major release in 2017.
You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.

Is GW crazy or the ones that buy them? Sometimes i question myself.

ERJAK wrote:
This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.

Exaggerate much?

A Knight Warden is $185 USD. The most expensive Sisters unit is $110 USD. That's a huge difference.

 oldzoggy wrote:
You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.

And, uh, Celestine. You know, the centerpiece of most SoB players army. The one that basically every player converted to have wings that would look awesome. The only HQ that is passable rather than ABSOLUTELY AWFUL TRASH USELESS (looking at you, Canoness).

 oldzoggy wrote:
Stop the doom and gloom. Sister players just got the most important oop models back for half the price they are currently going on ebay, a unique new model and a few new formations and new henchmen options as a side effect of a codex that is not replacing the codex and the rumours suggest that you will be getting a major release in 2017.
You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.

I think the big disappoint is that GW teased about CIA would contents "Much of this content is only available digitally at the moment, some of it is new, and much of it is updated." Yet it seems that Sisters got little update, just new content in the form of Detachments and formations. Most were hoping for some revision of the baseline rules.

That being said, I'm not expecting a new CAS until 8th Edition. The only two codexes released in 2016 were for new armies (Deathwatch and Gene Stealer Cults). Everything else has been rules to support new model releases for old factions.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.

Exaggerate much?

A Knight Warden is $185 USD. The most expensive Sisters unit is $110 USD. That's a huge difference.

It's not a huge exaggeration because a Knight Warden isn't $185USD. A Knight Errant USD is $140 and a Knight Warden is $157USD.

It's even less of an exaggeration if you happen to be looking at the AU online store where a Knight is $155-185AUD and the PA Sisters boxes come in at $140-180AUD for 10.

It does seem like the price has gone up on Sisters, can anyone remember the old prices? Or were they always this bad?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.

Exaggerate much?

A Knight Warden is $185 USD. The most expensive Sisters unit is $110 USD. That's a huge difference.

What crazy scalper are you buying your knights from lol? You could have gotten 2 for that if you bought renegade. As of right now a regular imperial knight costs 140$. But if that's still too much of an exageration for you a wraithknight is 115.

For the previous poster, the 80$ squad was the same but I believe it had 11 models in it.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.

And, uh, Celestine. You know, the centerpiece of most SoB players army. The one that basically every player converted to have wings that would look awesome. The only HQ that is passable rather than ABSOLUTELY AWFUL TRASH USELESS (looking at you, Canoness).

Every? The only one I've seen that's in every army was Mr Awesome Shotgun.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

ERJAK wrote:
This may well just be the long awaited deathblow to SoB. Reboxing metals at imperial knight prices is just giving GW something to laugh about in the breakroom.

Exaggerate much?

A Knight Warden is $185 USD. The most expensive Sisters unit is $110 USD. That's a huge difference.

Knight Warden is $157 USD.

On the other hand, I remember the Sisters squad being $80 odd last time it was on the webstore, and the Immolator, Exorcist, Penitent Engine, and single figures are all the same price or within a dollar or two of where they were last time they were online. It's not that GW has suddenly raised the prices- sisters metals have been expensive for a while now.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
You guys lost nothing except your ungrounded hopes for new stuff before the rumoured release date.

And, uh, Celestine. You know, the centerpiece of most SoB players army. The one that basically every player converted to have wings that would look awesome. The only HQ that is passable rather than ABSOLUTELY AWFUL TRASH USELESS (looking at you, Canoness).

Every? The only one I've seen that's in every army was Mr Awesome Shotgun.

He's almost never run outside of blob squads. A normal priest with the auto hymn relic does the same thing for 60 less points, which just about gets you a canoness.

Celestine was pretty much the best general use HQ in the army, canoness was terribly overpriced and Uriah relies on a complementary army build.

Either way, $140 / $157 for a specified "Imperial Knight" >> $ 110 for 10 Seraphim >> $80 for 10 footy Sisters.

Changing the target to a $115 Eldar WK, means that we talk about the 5 Sisters for $35.

In no way were Sisters reboxed anywhere near Imperal Kinght prices as claimed. It's a gross exaggeration.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Either way, $140 / $157 for a specified "Imperial Knight" >> $ 110 for 10 Seraphim >> $80 for 10 footy Sisters.

Changing the target to a $115 Eldar WK, means that we talk about the 5 Sisters for $35.

In no way were Sisters reboxed anywhere near Imperal Kinght prices as claimed. It's a gross exaggeration.

I'm sorry, once you get over 100$ for a single non-forgeworld kit the price stops being X amount of dollars and becomes FETHING EXPENSIVE, the specific numbers are arbitrary and unimportant.

You're just salty because you didn't know how much a knight cost.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's a gross exaggeration.

Agree to disagree I guess. We clearly have different parameters for "gross exaggeration" and "huge difference" I certainly would never use ">>" to indicate only a 27% change.

But either way, can anyone remember the previous pricing for Sisters? It does feel like a big price rise but I can't remember the old pricing.

So yeah. I went into the store to pre-order the canoness and drop off a secret Santa package.

The store owner walked up to me with a kind of mirthful Willie Wanka look to him- every day I'd see him I'd answer his 'hello' with an assertive 'sisters when?' and I could tell he was excited to at last be able to say 'now'.

We talked about ordering multiples and he explained they were only allowing one per unique e-mail address, but I was already a step ahead on that... Then when we tried to place the order... it had been sold out.

26 minutes after it went on sale.

Twenty six fething minutes.

He was flabbergasted. He was expecting at least four other diehard sisters players to drop in the store, gloat, and order the model. GW apparently didn't anticipate the model would be so popular, despite being the first new model sisters have gotten in ten years?

Honestly... for me it's still more evidence that GW doesn't understand what it is they have with battle sisters. Like those old cartoon gags where a character professes to like something and the other persistently thinks they're being sarcastic.

It wasn't a complete wash, though. I ordered Space Pope and the Inquisitor model, she will be a fun project for a rainy day; and I stuck around and painted my blood bowl orcs. Those four other sisters players showed up, too. Looking to order and leaving disappointed.

The store owner was positively livid.

Twenty six minutes!

I have written a few letters to GW over the years, physical ones, and they have always answered. I always leave my email and home address with all my letters. I have received letters from Robin Cruddace for my suggestions regarding the WD sisters codex (saw some of what I suggested in the Digital but none of the core problem fixes I suggested). They do read physical letters sent to them, I also added chocolate to the letter as a bribe of sorts so they'd feel complied to at least reply.

So once this codex comes out and it's confirmed to be complete garbage for the sisters then I suggest to anyone that's unhappy with it to write a letter to GW. Their address is on the website.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
So yeah. I went into the store to pre-order the canoness and drop off a secret Santa package.

The store owner walked up to me with a kind of mirthful Willie Wanka look to him- every day I'd see him I'd answer his 'hello' with an assertive 'sisters when?' and I could tell he was excited to at last be able to say 'now'.

We talked about ordering multiples and he explained they were only allowing one per unique e-mail address, but I was already a step ahead on that... Then when we tried to place the order... it had been sold out.

26 minutes after it went on sale.

Twenty six fething minutes.

Spoiler:

He was flabbergasted. He was expecting at least four other diehard sisters players to drop in the store, gloat, and order the model. GW apparently didn't anticipate the model would be so popular, despite being the first new model sisters have gotten in ten years?

Honestly... for me it's still more evidence that GW doesn't understand what it is they have with battle sisters. Like those old cartoon gags where a character professes to like something and the other persistently thinks they're being sarcastic.

It wasn't a complete wash, though. I ordered Space Pope and the Inquisitor model, she will be a fun project for a rainy day; and I stuck around and painted my blood bowl orcs. Those four other sisters players showed up, too. Looking to order and leaving disappointed.

The store owner was positively livid.

Twenty six minutes

!

Well it's a pretty kitch model. Good to see em looking after that part of the fluff by releasing something with a bit of adult interest and humour as opposed to a constant stream of GRIM DARK SPACE MARINE AGHRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

So that 4chan 'leak' may have been more accurate than we were led to believe. I have seen that same list accompanied by high quality images of some of the lore pages. While it may be a coincidence, it at least lends some credence to them.

I truly hope the sisters get SOMETHING other than a loss of celestine and a useless formation that can reroll 1's to save once per game. Honestly a few good formations could really boost sisters back into a much better shape even with no other rules adjustments.

 BrookM wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Is this artwork new?

First featured in the 6th edition rulebook IIRC.

I'll have to scour the internet, cheers for that!

I kept having to check the site to make sure I wasn't on NZ/AU page by accident.

Are people really paying that much for ten woman squads?