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I am not sure that this is not designed to be a replacement for Codex Adepta Sororitas. I mean obviously, you can keep using whatever rules you want so long as your opponent agrees.

But it seems sensible to assume GW has done this to bring a raft of digital only books into the physical relm.

(Sisters, Inquisitors, Legion of the Dammed, Assassins)

Personally I'm going to update my (some 3000 points of) sisters of battle to use the new army list, whatever it brings, because I don't want to confuse my opponent and have to have a conversation about the historical context of various rule book releases every time I play a pick up game.

Yeah. It sucks that it's basically the same rules with changes that make the rules worse. However I actually feel worse for people that were making an army out of the Inquisitorial stuff primarily. Seems like the Inquisitorial Retenue units work (and by extention our battle conclaves) is the thing most up in the air - and some peaple had entire converted armys based around that inquisitorial stuff.

And, we can still hold out hope that the "big formation" for Sisters will be good.

I do really hope that if/when the sisters get plastic stuff that an update is pushed out. If Penitent Engines aren't already being updated in this codex, they could really fix a bunch of the CQC issues people feel are plaguing Sisters. They're big, scary, and fairly great at CC once they get in. Right now they just have the issue of being REALLY TERRIBLE WALKERS. Once they get into combat though, they tie up groups or destroy them outright and let the sisters get into rapid fire range or into general firing range.

If not..well..like I've said before, this codex gives SoB a chance to use Dreadknights which are everything a Penitent Engine should be (minus the teleporting and multitude of weapon options of course).

A few small changes here and there suddenly makes a unit great. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

As a side note, the new super formation that gives the army a once per game reroll of all 1s to save...yeah please hire a new team GW. That's so incredibly worthless unless you're for some reason running a full footslogging Sisters army and you want to not take any casualties on turn one.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
So no changes to inquisitors and wargear besides the loss of servo skulls?

Anything new with legion of he damned? Sgt. centurions?

It would be cool if Legion of the Damned got some more options. I doubt they would get an entire army, but I'd deffo play it!

The inq codex is still for sale, this was added to he description .

GW site wrote:
The rules in this eBook are also available in Codex: Imperial Agents, fully revised and updated along with new detachments plus rules for adding even more servants of the Emperor to your army.

So it appears to be all there with the FAQ included and hard cover. I'll take it, even they have added some puritan space nuns.

They likely did this because 8th is right around the corner and supposed to be releasing early in 2017. I suspect sisters will be one of the first 8th codices released if we even need codices. In AoS there are warscrolls and one big book for points costs and then the free main rules. Although they have been starting to do army books with unique formations benefits so it's all up in the air as to how GW want to approach this.

If that BOLS/Feait rumor is right about Sisters vs Xenos then it couldn't be the Necrons like someone suggested earlier. They said it was not able to be identified from the sprue. So could it be a new xenos? Or did the viewer just misidentify an existing xenos? Also if it is an existing one what could it be?

Honestly I don't think it is, but just wanted to mention this.

Bols rumors should have warning lethal salt dose required honestly.

I would say a starter set not to include SM would be extremely unlikely, to the point I would be willing to bet heavily against it.

While personally I would love a new Xenos vs Sisters set ( Q'orl who have a larger empire than the Tau spring to mind, as do Demiurg, Hrud, and Tallerians )

But really. Nope Don't see it . Unless its the started of themed boxes for historical campaigns, and or new Battles. Which would be awesome. But again I do not see it Happening, everything has to be SM of some flavor, sorry lets rip that bandage off right now, it is better for all of us.

Couldn't get the Cannoness. ill wait a few weeks then.

S.Y.

boyd wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.

Squats hadn't been sold for over a decade when they were officially written out of the setting. I don't even think Squats and SoB ever co-existed. If Squats were sold post-1997, it was solely through mail order and you'd have to have asked nicely.

Squats were no longer sold when I started playing WH40k in 1994. Their only 2nd edition reference was the 2nd Edition black book army list when they did the rules reset from Rogue Trader. By the time women in scantily clad power armor showed up, the squats were not an army or really in the fluff. Eventually in 3rd edition they were called a humans akin to the ratling snipers from the IG.

Sorry should make my point more clear Squats were an actual profitable faction killed off because no one in the studio wanted to work on them.
SoB sales or the lack there of was the main reason we had to wait a decade for Deathwatch. When they went to finecast gw still had SoB metals produced for there launch.
Basicly SoB are an unprofitable faction not killed off because GW pledged never to squat another faction.

Squats weren't officially "killed off" until long, long after they'd been phased out of general sale though. Neither were SoB ever discontinued - they've just always been a pretty minor faction.

Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

Commisar wrote:
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I am not sure that this is not designed to be a replacement for Codex Adepta Sororitas.

If GW removes C:AS from their website, this will be its replacement. But until then, C:AS is the full book and this is merely a supplement for allies purposes.

SeanDrake wrote:

boyd wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.

Squats hadn't been sold for over a decade when they were officially written out of the setting. I don't even think Squats and SoB ever co-existed. If Squats were sold post-1997, it was solely through mail order and you'd have to have asked nicely.

Squats were no longer sold when I started playing WH40k in 1994. Their only 2nd edition reference was the 2nd Edition black book army list when they did the rules reset from Rogue Trader. By the time women in scantily clad power armor showed up, the squats were not an army or really in the fluff. Eventually in 3rd edition they were called a humans akin to the ratling snipers from the IG.

Sorry should make my point more clear Squats were an actual profitable faction killed off because no one in the studio wanted to work on them.
SoB sales or the lack there of was the main reason we had to wait a decade for Deathwatch. When they went to finecast gw still had SoB metals produced for there launch.
Basicly SoB are an unprofitable faction not killed off because GW pledged never to squat another faction.

You know another faction that wasn't profitable? Dark Eldar. Then they get a huge revamp with a load of incredible kits and new rules and they became a huge seller, before GW kicked them in their nuts with the changes to the game and their codex in 6th/7th.

 dan2026 wrote:
Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?

 dan2026 wrote:
Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

It certainly is confusing, reissuing these like this seems totally self defeating.

Just doing nothing until the plastics are ready next year would have been so much better

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?

Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.

So definitely GW's fault

SeanDrake wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?

Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.

So definitely GW's fault

Who mentioned Power dexes? Who would dare even to dream of dexes to match the Astartes - or mutliple dexes to try and match their infinite "variety" Why exactly are only certain factions allowed power dexes?

the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital

Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.

Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess - still give more time to work n the next Marine - "maybe we should do something will all the chapters that are out there - nah just stick some wolf guy on a wolf with a wolf sword".

 Mr Morden wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?

Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.

So definitely GW's fault

the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital

Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.

Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess

They just released a Codex supplement for Chaos Legions without any models to go along with it. Yes, Thousand Sons got models for the campaign book, but not a single model released this week alongside the legion codex.

If anyone made the assumption they would be getting a full complement of plastic models, especially for one specific faction within a codex of multiple different factions, you were setting yourself up for disappointment.

VeteranNoob said as much a week ago, and if you chose not to believe that despite him being proven correct on the Chaos Legion stuff a week earlier, then you have no one to blame but yourself for setting unrealistic expectations for this release.

If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.

Are players really so impatient theyll take a codex now to have it invalidated as early as June? It seems people are so emotional about it they cant even think rationally about what they're asking for. Personally I'd rather not have to listen to it in every thread for all of 8th and maybe some of 9th edition too if GW doesnt get back to them by then.

 Mr Morden wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?

Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.

So definitely GW's fault

Who mentioned Power dexes? Who would dare even to dream of dexes to match the Astartes - or mutliple dexes to try and match their infinite "variety" Why exactly are only certain factions allowed power dexes?

the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital

Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.

Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess - still give more time to work n the next Marine - "maybe we should do something will all the chapters that are out there - nah just stick some wolf guy on a wolf with a wolf sword".

Welcome to the world of faction updates. Best get used to it after so long without one, as it's never what one wants.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?

Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.

So definitely GW's fault

the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital

Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.

Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess

They just released a Codex supplement for Chaos Legions without any models to go along with it. Yes, Thousand Sons got models for the campaign book, but not a single model released this week alongside the legion codex.

If anyone made the assumption they would be getting a full complement of plastic models, especially for one specific faction within a codex of multiple different factions, you were setting yourself up for disappointment.

VeteranNoob said as much a week ago, and if you chose not to believe that despite him being proven correct on the Chaos Legion stuff a week earlier, then you have no one to blame but yourself for setting unrealistic expectations for this release.

If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.

Are players really so impatient theyll take a codex now to have it invalidated as early as June? It seems people are so emotional about it they cant even think rationally about what they're asking for. Personally I'd rather not have to listen to it in every thread for all of 8th and maybe some of 9th edition too if GW doesnt get back to them by then.

Well sure, if we ignore them specifically mentioning plastic Sisters of Battle in the Warhammer TV video where they revealed Magnus.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
Does GW expect anyone to buy sisters models at those prices.
10 basic sisters are £50 here in the UK!

I don't understand what GW is doing. They were quietly hyping everyone up for a big sisters revamp and now the hype bubble just exploded.

I want to start a sisters army, but I just don't understand what is happening.

And I can't afford those ancient metal models.

Were they hyping people up or were people hyping themselves up?

Well GW said that a new book was being produced that included a number of minor factions and individual units to allow for more fluffy allies. One of the minor factions mentioned was SoB. So naturally within 24 hours it was releasing with a new plastic sisters box and plastic Cannoness as that would be a good basis for allies, at 48 hours it was a new codex SoB in disguise with at least the 2 mentioned plastics, after a week it was the new power codex that had to be better than Marines have a full new range of plastics a dozen formations and so on.

So definitely GW's fault

the CIA Codex was initally touted as a way to allow the deployment of Imperial agents and small detachments alongside the regular Imperial forces.
Then a single model was chosen to signify the new codex - oh its a Sister of battle - well thats good - maybe the Codex will not just be small detachment but some actual new stuf - you know like everyone else gets.
Oh wow the entire SOB arm list is in there - cool not just digital

Ah - they have deleted the main signature charcacter of the faction - er ok but they have given lots of new stuff, right right ah no they have not. Awesome.

Yeah that the fans fault for expecting more than a kick in the teeth I guess

They just released a Codex supplement for Chaos Legions without any models to go along with it. Yes, Thousand Sons got models for the campaign book, but not a single model released this week alongside the legion codex.

If anyone made the assumption they would be getting a full complement of plastic models, especially for one specific faction within a codex of multiple different factions, you were setting yourself up for disappointment.

VeteranNoob said as much a week ago, and if you chose not to believe that despite him being proven correct on the Chaos Legion stuff a week earlier, then you have no one to blame but yourself for setting unrealistic expectations for this release.

If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.

Are players really so impatient theyll take a codex now to have it invalidated as early as June? It seems people are so emotional about it they cant even think rationally about what they're asking for. Personally I'd rather not have to listen to it in every thread for all of 8th and maybe some of 9th edition too if GW doesnt get back to them by then.

Well sure, if we ignore them specifically mentioning plastic Sisters of Battle in the Warhammer TV video where they revealed Magnus.

I guess we are also ignoring the trusted rumormongers also said those weren't coming until 2017, and even then it was only a squad box and not a full range ?

What I am looking forward to is the rules for Enginseers and Servitors that have Canticles of the Omnisiah and can be taken in a Cult Mech army. This is what the army needed. It's a way to get some cheaper guys on the field to boost body count (meat shields), makes a VERY restrictive army more diverse, and is a cheaper way to add more units with Canticles so you are more likely to get benefits. Also, it keeps the Servitor theme going.

So I thought I´d chime in. I´ve been away from 40k for a long time (2nd ed forever!!) so my opinion may be hopelessly out of touch with what many of you think. But this seems like GW is testing the waters before committing to a full new SOB army with new sculpts and plastic models. Not to mention that SOBs are just about to get amazing proxies from the Raging Heroes folks. Their upcoming notSOBs look unbelievable and if I was wanting to run a SOB force I´d look to their minis rather than the chunky mcbulky power armor models GW is famous for putting out.

I understand that GW is getting better these days but if I know my GW there´s nothing they hate and fear more than competition. It makes perfect sense from my outsider pov, GW is testing the waters to see if suddenly they see a spike in the sale of SOB models to justify bringign them back with new sculpts and in plastic.

Alternatively, GW is just being GW and is using this as an opportunity to fill out a new codex book and increase its sales, while also pushing out the last of the old SOB stock.

First, SoB and especially GK and DW can use their own codex. Nothing her says it replaces. It only offers 1-2 extra detachment options, if you fancy. So SoB have datasheet to datasheet rules though this book offers other non-SoB datasheets as an option for this detachment. So nothing you have is gone.\

Like, today we discussed using SoB codex for Celestine and whatever else a standard player has, but if s(he) wants to roll with these options--maybe break out some ooooooold models or buy on demand--you can give this book a try for options. But you need not throw anything away. It seems more like customization if you want/have a small force to ally or bespoke detachments for fun.

I suspect this will be the case everywhere, but if you aren't sure, just wait to see what it offers. Undoubtedly someone will pic it but the book is out Saturday and hopefully GW community will continue to support their site/Facebook in the meantime this week. Hope that helps.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is Valeria mentioned at all?

No model/no rules.

 Souleater wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
So no changes to inquisitors and wargear besides the loss of servo skulls?

Anything new with legion of he damned? Sgt. centurions?

It would be cool if Legion of the Damned got some more options. I doubt they would get an entire army, but I'd deffo play it!

Sergeant Centurius? New options for Legion of the Damned.

Both of you ask yourselves this: Are there any new LotD miniatures? Did they release a new/re-release the old Sergeant Centurius? You already know the answer to these questions, and you know that when it comes to GW their modus operandi is no model/no rules.

This might be the first Codex in a while (at least since the 4th Ed 'Chaos' Codex) where we actually have a net loss of options.

Nah Dark Eldar were gutted last update losing a ton of options and what was left getting nerfed hard.

I'm still probably getting the book but I have so many questions that I'm gonna wait for images/pics or when I see it arrive at my FLGS before I make the final commitment.

I would recommend any unhappy sisters player to write a politely worded email to GW. There is concrete evidence that GW is listening to players now (aos points). The exceptional sales of the Canoness, has already proved there is a demand for sisters. The traitor legions book which is full good and interesting rules is sold out in the US. GW needs constant reminding that good fluffy fun to play rules sell minis.

Chikout wrote:
I would recommend any unhappy sisters player to write a politely worded email to GW. There is concrete evidence that GW is listening to players now (aos points). The exceptional sales of the Canoness, has already proved there is a demand for sisters. The traitor legions book which is full good and interesting rules is sold out in the US. GW needs constant reminding that good fluffy fun to play rules sell minis.

The most important part has been emphasized. More flies with honey and all that.

I will send GW an email.

Polite of course.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Is Valeria mentioned at all?

No model/no rules.

 Souleater wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
So no changes to inquisitors and wargear besides the loss of servo skulls?

Anything new with legion of he damned? Sgt. centurions?

It would be cool if Legion of the Damned got some more options. I doubt they would get an entire army, but I'd deffo play it!

Sergeant Centurius? New options for Legion of the Damned.

Both of you ask yourselves this: Are there any new LotD miniatures? Did they release a new/re-release the old Sergeant Centurius? You already know the answer to these questions, and you know that when it comes to GW their modus operandi is no model/no rules.

This might be the first Codex in a while (at least since the 4th Ed 'Chaos' Codex) where we actually have a net loss of options.

If they ported over the LotD relics directly from the digital 'codex', they at the very least have access to the skull Centurius was holding.

 Starfarer wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, Sad Panda or Atia said GW wasnt releasing any full codexes until after 8th edition, and would only do campaign books and supplements until then so as not to invalidate a codex so soon after a new edition.

Sad Panda said something to that effect, and then we got Codex: Deathwatch and Codex: Genestealer Cults.

The Adepta Sororitas hype started with the Wrath of Magnus Garbage Can comment about plastic sisters and whipped into a fury with Lady Atia making a comment about SIsters getting support in 2017.

<Checks Calender, and it's still 2016>

There is ZERO conflict with GW pushing existing Adepta Sororitas models, and a limited release figure with Imperial Agents supplement, and then releasing a codex and plastic figures in 2017. If anything, increasing the awareness of Adpeta Sororitas with Imperial Agents would likely only help sales of a future Adepta Sororitas release.