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 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Yeah, while I don't really expect much at this point, let's be fair-- the rumors said the first few months of 2017, not in December. So if they ARE true it's not happening this year anyway.

That fact seems to be something people aren't grasping. They want them HERE and NOW after waiting since 2001 (apparently)

Yeah, what's painfully obvious and yet seems to be missed by certain people here is that this release isn't a 'Sisters release'. It's for 'Imperial Agents,' just as it says on the cover. And because of how it handles GKs, etc., it's very clear that it doesn't invalidate the possibility of a legit Sisters release down the road.

There is more info in the bols and it looks grim.
I could be wrong but it appears to be that they have just gutted the henchmen squad and thus the only unit option we had..

Inquisition is Changed: Some interesting changes from GW here. The FAQ question on if Servo Skulls stop GSC ambush is answered by removing Servo Skulls. Let that sink in a bit and think about all the armies that now get their Scout move back and all those Eldar Armies that release their captured Inquisitor. Grenades are staying the same so while it is awesome we lost the Skulls, the Grenades are still pretty nutty. Coteaz stays the same as well – so no changes there. The Acoloyte unit has a major change by losing all the extra Characters like the Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders, etc. They also lost the Psyker unit so no more cheap little single WC batteries that shot out auto hitting Psychic Shrieks. The Space Monkey and Daemon Host are still in but you can only add them to a group if you take the big Inquisition formation that combos everything from Sister options and all the old things into one big unit that no one can leave. Heck this formation even pulls in some other guys based on the type of Inquisitor you take.

 StupidYellow wrote:


I do yes. this book will last until 8th which is possibly april . one of there central chars is gone. we get a lackluster reroll once. thats not exactly support its a slap

oh and no jump packs for canoness, again.

Its TK and brets all over again.

S.Y.

Why you desperate to throw money at GW for more toys, if they are so bad, unsupportive and lackluster?

Warhammer tvs facebook says this book is now the sisters dex. which pretty much points that this book is until 8th, a Sisters book in Feb would last 2 months. at the worst and until aug/ sept at most ( basically until 8th hits )

I'm hearing from a local rep feb is AoS related.

theres new paints but we have already seen the leaked picture of those.

S.Y.

March is still open

I'm going to say that until GW actually takes this off of their website, C:AS is still an official book. Once GW stops selling it, then you'll have an argument that it's not still an official codex.

Really, really sad about losing the Servo Skulls. They are pretty much my favorite unit. Maybe people will let me get away with using my old Inquisition Codex

I do like the Inquisitors having the ability to take certain types of additional squads depending on type, very fluffy and will be genuinely cool on the tabletop.

Also sad about my loss of massed Psyker support.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:


I do yes. this book will last until 8th which is possibly april . one of there central chars is gone. we get a lackluster reroll once. thats not exactly support its a slap

oh and no jump packs for canoness, again.

Its TK and brets all over again.

S.Y.

Why you desperate to throw money at GW for more toys, if they are so bad, unsupportive and lackluster?

I am not buying CIA, what made you think i was? I already dont suport their abomination of fantasy.

Sisters would have been my first major purchase in years.

you know if you love GW fine, im just tired of having armies i like die.

S.Y.

I don't play GW games. Don't know why you assume that I love GW. I don't follow your logic or why you are complaining at all.

If you wasn't going to buy it, then why harp on about it? Just let people get on with it and wait for the actual time mentioned (next year) for the stuff you've apparently been waiting 15 years for.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:


I do yes. this book will last until 8th which is possibly april . one of there central chars is gone. we get a lackluster reroll once. thats not exactly support its a slap

oh and no jump packs for canoness, again.

Its TK and brets all over again.

S.Y.

Why you desperate to throw money at GW for more toys, if they are so bad, unsupportive and lackluster?

I am not buying CIA, what made you think i was? I already dont suport their abomination of fantasy.

Sisters would have been my first major purchase in years.

you know if you love GW fine, im just tired of having armies i like die.

S.Y.

I think you're exaggerating a little. You lost a character which people seemed to ignore most of the time and you got a new option. Comparing it to brets is ridiculous.

Hm, the new henchman squad looks interesting, if restrictive. I like the idea of incorporating GK/SoB/DW units into the squad, but we seem to have lost a lot of flexibility, and, unless techpriests can bring some with them, looks like we've lost servitors, as well as mystics.

How so? She was probably the best figure in the range. She was good against infantry.

I'm saying Sisters will be the next army to be killed off

Unless Varidyian is comparable (though odd she only has rules in her box)
I also doubt she will be as manouvrable

The rules here seem worse than in C:AS

S.Y.

A lot of people used and loved Celestine, The Living Saint, and this is ESPECIALLY true of the painting and modding scene-- she was and remains one of the most popular showcase miniatures from GW's lineup. While yes, a lot of people also didn't use her, that doesn't take away from the fact that she was actually pretty popular.

 StupidYellow wrote:


I'm saying Sisters will be the next army to be killed off

On what evidence?

On the Sisters wargear list, can anyone make out the cost of an Eviscerator? Is it still 30pts or is it 25?

Edit: That Inquisitorial warband formation, is it just me or is the only viable one a ordo Malleus one as you get terminators to include in the unit to tank with. Sure you can use Crusaders but 2+ is allot more reliable than 3++. Why do Malleus get terminators and the others only power armor? Of those the Sisters of Battle are the WORST choice because all they are are wounds, T3 wounds at that. I'm sure you can create a pretty nasty death star with this formation though. Perhaps they removed Celestine because if you added her the entire blog would get Hit and Run.

Hit and Run is why you took Celestine. Anyone who says she's useless haven't seen her in a deathstar. Put her and some priests in a unit of SM Bikers with tech priests, apothecaries and psykers in it. You now have a unit with re-rollable 2+ armour saves, inv saves and a 5+ FNP. Unit also has Hit and Run so can jump out of combat quite easily.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
On the Sisters wargear list, can anyone make out the cost of an Eviscerator? Is it still 30pts or is it 25?

30 and Ministorum Priest only, from the looks of it.

 reds8n wrote:
had --admittedly optimistic -- hopes....? ...daydreams ..?? ... about them allowing Vet. superiors to take an eviscerator once again

The Eviscerator has been an iconic weapon of the Spess Mehrens since 5th Edition. It makes no sense for the Sisters of Battle to get access to it on their squads. I'm not even happy that the Repentia get to use it.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Yeah, I agree that the detachment is strictly worse than a CAD.

If you're already playing a single CAD it is. You lose ObSec on your BSS, one of the army's main strengths, in exchange for the bland, generic Vestal bonus.

If, however, you're playing multiple CADs, and don't have much ObSec anyway, then you might be able to squeeze in an extra Immo using the Vestal formation. Not much, but it's something.

 pretre wrote:
As noted previously, Act of Faith lasts until the end of player turn now. If this is the same for others, this could be good for Seraphim or Rets (that's about it) since they have a rule that works in multiple phases.

Seems like a highly situational, very incremental bonus to me. I suppose they're not making us pay for it at least, which is something.

 nudibranch wrote:
Hm, the new henchman squad looks interesting, if restrictive. I like the idea of incorporating GK/SoB/DW units into the squad, but we seem to have lost a lot of flexibility, and, unless techpriests can bring some with them, looks like we've lost servitors, as well as mystics.

The ability to add GK and or deathwatch with henchmen might just save the book depending on how that formation is written.
The loss of our old decent psyker would sure be compensated if we could just add one single pagk's to the unit. The longer I think of it the more it seems like the henchmen squad might be alive and kicking.

 mmzero252 wrote:
There's no reason they can't do Sisters AND AoS in the same month. Wrath of Magnus, Traitor Legions, and C:IA is all within a month.

... and look how that turned out.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:


I'm saying Sisters will be the next army to be killed off

On what evidence?

Firstly. A sub par replacement of their list. Secondly a miniature that was resin (which I'm sure GW will think it's selling well because of the Blanche connection not because it's the first new SoB figure for 15 years.)

Every other limited figure is plastic, save FW.

Sisters of Silence and Custodes got plastics before sisters. Both extremely minor factions not covered in CIA (at least not that I'm aware)


S.Y.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:


I'm saying Sisters will be the next army to be killed off

On what evidence?

Firstly. A sub par replacement of their list. Secondly a miniature that was resin (which I'm sure GW will think it's selling well because of the Blanche connection not because it's the first new SoB figure for 15 years.)

Every other limited figure is plastic, save FW.

Sisters of Silence and Custodes got plastics before sisters. Both extremely minor factions not covered in CIA (at least not that I'm aware)


S.Y.

Wasn't the limited edition Praetor resin? Even if not new models do not mean removal. Quite the opposite. Also getting a nerfed codex is hardly indicating you're being removed. Units get nerfed every single codex and this isn't the first time an entire army got worse.

You mean the minor factions that are in 30k? As part of a box set for the next legions to be released? Gee it's like they were nothing to do with 40k and just got rules so people could use them in both games.

Having been a sisters player forever, I'm not surprised by the lack of new content or loss of models. I'll play them the same as I always have and squeeze what good I can from the book as is.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:


I'm saying Sisters will be the next army to be killed off

On what evidence?

Firstly. A sub par replacement of their list. Secondly a miniature that was resin (which I'm sure GW will think it's selling well because of the Blanche connection not because it's the first new SoB figure for 15 years.)

Every other limited figure is plastic, save FW.

Sisters of Silence and Custodes got plastics before sisters. Both extremely minor factions not covered in CIA (at least not that I'm aware)


S.Y.

Guessing then.

I say they aren't being deleted as the army just had an updated list and new model.

Doomsayers have been saying "squatted!" for longer than GW has been saying "plastic sisters". Sisters are unlikely to be squatted, they fit in with the lore very well in GW's current vision of the lore, and will continue to do so. While I sincerely doubt there will be plastic sisters next year, I also doubt GW will remove the army completely, as well. I pretty much just expect the status quo to continue on with minor changes-- and that expectation has, for over a decade, not proven me wrong.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
I don't play GW games. Don't know why you assume that I love GW. I don't follow your logic or why you are complaining at all.

If you wasn't going to buy it, then why harp on about it? Just let people get on with it and wait for the actual time mentioned (next year) for the stuff you've apparently been waiting 15 years for.

I think I'm allowed to "harp on " considering I would have bought it if it was an upgrade. It is not.
I severely doubt that with the coming of Primarch hammer Sisters will have a top slot in the release schedule.
They won't

S.Y.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:
Hm, the new henchman squad looks interesting, if restrictive. I like the idea of incorporating GK/SoB/DW units into the squad, but we seem to have lost a lot of flexibility, and, unless techpriests can bring some with them, looks like we've lost servitors, as well as mystics.

The ability to add GK and or deathwatch with henchmen might just save the book depending on how that formation is written.
The loss of our old decent psyker would sure be compensated if we could just add one single pagk's to the unit. The longer I think of it the more it seems like the henchmen squad might be alive and kicking.

First the way that formation is written is amazing.
You can place Any inqusitor into this formation even unique.
This says nothing about any unique inqusitor from this book or anything restrictivre like that.
So take forgeworld inqusitor lok or inqusitor hector Rex and you get both servo skulls back and a great unit.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
On what evidence?

Various design elements from the Sisters list in C:WH were cherry-picked and given to other factions in 5th Edition. What they couldn't steal for other factions, they nerfed to gak in the WD gak-sheets. These gak-sheets were then largely copy-pasted into the 6th Edition digi-dex. Further character was sucked out of the faction during the transition from the digi-dex to Codex: Imperial Agents. No creative input, no effort, no nothing - just copy, paste, nerf a bit, repeat.

To me, it smells a lot like the GW creative team are just not digging the Sisters at all - they're going through the motions with them, that's all. A lack of interest at GW creative was what did for the Squats. None of this is suggestive of an upwards trajectory for the Sisters of Battle in 40k.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:


I'm saying Sisters will be the next army to be killed off

On what evidence?

Firstly. A sub par replacement of their list. Secondly a miniature that was resin (which I'm sure GW will think it's selling well because of the Blanche connection not because it's the first new SoB figure for 15 years.)

Every other limited figure is plastic, save FW.

Sisters of Silence and Custodes got plastics before sisters. Both extremely minor factions not covered in CIA (at least not that I'm aware)


S.Y.

Guessing then.

I say they aren't being deleted as the army just had an updated list and new model.

Okay if I'm wrong I'm wrong, I had points that led me to believe otherwise. Considering I've been flat out told their projected date was wrong and even the strongest source says no eta

The figure is more being connected to Blanche than to lead up to sisters hype ( you know the rumour engine this week would have been a great time to leak a picture for the supposed plastic sisters) they didn't.

S.Y.

I couldn't care less for those servo skulls ; )
They are the reason tournament players abuse my codex, and to be honest they are nearly useless in most casual games.

I do however care a lot for things like my inquisitor ( and thus my T3 warlord) no longer being able to leave his unit, or if somehow the henchmen squad no longer works the way it used to do.

 BBAP wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
On what evidence?

Various design elements from the Sisters list in C:WH were cherry-picked and given to other factions in 5th Edition. What they couldn't steal for other factions, they nerfed to gak in the WD gak-sheets. These gak-sheets were then largely copy-pasted into the 6th Edition digi-dex. Further character was sucked out of the faction during the transition from the digi-dex to Codex: Imperial Agents. No creative input, no effort, no nothing - just copy, paste, nerf a bit, repeat.

To me, it smells a lot like the GW creative team are just not digging the Sisters at all - they're going through the motions with them, that's all. A lack of interest at GW creative was what did for the Squats. None of this is suggestive of an upwards trajectory for the Sisters of Battle in 40k.

You can go on about lack of interest with so many factions....