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Have they ever put any of our proposed rules in game?

Hard no.

With the amount of fan made legion rules they must have been sent at least something is bound to to have stuck with that supplement lol

yes, but not officially, look at the generals handbook as a prime example

 Formosa wrote:
yes, but not officially, look at the generals handbook as a prime example

Of course that will change with the next edition of the General's Handbook

Sheer amount of wish - listing done there makes me really really hope they never take and use any of it.

usmcmidn wrote:
Have they ever put any of our proposed rules in game?

Yes they have. In 4th editon there was a change going on to make things more simpler. We got the Dark Angel, Chaos Space Marine, Eldar codex. The space marines cried/complained/whined the loudest that those books became boring, no soul, lifeless, dull no character so GW reversed coarse and of course the Space marines in 5th edition became nothing like the prior codices were. It had colour. It had character and wasn't dull or boring. That was before Kirby was CEO I believe.

So yes GW listened when their beloved Space Marines loose sales. But that was back then, now GW doesn't listen and still keeps having people roll this then roll that and then roll some more on random charts to roll for this and that again. this was during Kirby as CEO.

What 8th edition will bring? I don't have a clue. That will be after Kirby as CEO. Seeing how the rules are still the same even after Kirby as not CEO hasn't changed and could have, all we can do is hope GW will change when 8th edition comes around since I have no faith GW will change when 8th edition comes out. I fear the change will be smoke and mirrors and while things may be jolly in the beginning, scale creep will come in real fast and all the joy that was in the first few months or even year will be soured once year 2 comes in around.

I hope I am wrong and GW is just waiting for the 30th Anniversary year to release the new rules. Why wait a year when you can fix now? But alas we need to wait and that is all we can do. Wait and hope.

So yes GW listened when their beloved Space Marines loose sales.

To be fairly honest, they straight up were boring. CSM 4th edition was a spit in the face after it got Gav Thorped, and as a result of it we have Kelly using that worthless blech as a basis for 6th and is responsible for 3/4ths of the current issues plaguing CSM lorewise and gamewise.

Would you?

die toten hosen wrote:
Sheer amount of wish - listing done there makes me really really hope they never take and use any of it.

QFT.

Imagine if they listened to someone like Traditio or Janky? OMFG.

The Scout fix and the Dreadnought fix started off as proposed rules, so yes they have. People complaining about Sisters of Silence and Custodes not having a way to be used in Battleforged armies led to their respective formations. So they obviously listen and have delivered on some of this stuff in the past, but I wouldn't expect them to put overly elaborate stuff into the game. A little tweak here and there. That's it.

Yeah, but is that from Dakka Proposed Rules or just general Internet griping about Dreads being crap / models not being Battleforged?

The only documented case I can think of was an extensive errata for Dark Elves with the help of Druchii.net

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Yeah, but is that from Dakka Proposed Rules or just general Internet griping about Dreads being crap / models not being Battleforged?

It is hard to say. I really doubt they scroll through Dakka. I misunderstood the thread, I took "our" to mean the fandom, not Dakka.

They might just not like dakka ; )

Back in 5th Edition I believe GWs official FaQs often had help from a fan-made team headed by Yakface (I believe it was headed by him anyway. His name was credited in a few of them.)

 Blacksails wrote:
Hard no.

6th ed WHFB Dark Elves disagree there.

Wasn't the 3.5 Chaos Codex an answer to the community criticizing the 3rd edition codex?

 Blacksails wrote:
Hard no.

You wanna come to a super soft birthday party there, bud?

 Brother SRM wrote:
Would you?

Honestly? No. The community has generally, as a whole, reasonable complaints and addresses the "right" issues but the solution proposed are all over the place. The amount of illogic analysis, wishlisting, clunkyness of proposed rules, fanboyism are appaling.

Albeit, this is something the designers are faulty of, too. Addressed here:


This is why you hire professionals. Maybe, one beautiful day, GW will hire professionals too.

Ruin wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Hard no.

6th ed WHFB Dark Elves disagree there.

Is there some sort of hard evidence you have that GW credited someone's work on the proposed rules section? Did they state anywhere that the feedback provided to them by some number of players on the internet was taken on board and used to write a codex/rulebook?

Purifier wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Hard no.

You wanna come to a super soft birthday party there, bud?

Take about 10% off the top there super chief.

I think they kinda do.

I think they read proposed rules as more of a "What not to do" sort of thing.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
yes, but not officially, look at the generals handbook as a prime example

Of course that will change with the next edition of the General's Handbook

Ha.

 Blacksails wrote:

Ruin wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Hard no.

6th ed WHFB Dark Elves disagree there.

Is there some sort of hard evidence you have that GW credited someone's work on the proposed rules section? Did they state anywhere that the feedback provided to them by some number of players on the internet was taken on board and used to write a codex/rulebook?

Yup. Straight from the White Dwarf where the rules update was put in (until the book was updated) Gav Thorpe collaborated with Druchii.net on making the required changes to the army book.

Ruin wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:

Ruin wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Hard no.

6th ed WHFB Dark Elves disagree there.

Is there some sort of hard evidence you have that GW credited someone's work on the proposed rules section? Did they state anywhere that the feedback provided to them by some number of players on the internet was taken on board and used to write a codex/rulebook?

Yup. Straight from the White Dwarf where the rules update was put in (until the book was updated) Gav Thorpe collaborated with Druchii.net on making the required changes to the army book.

That's interesting. I was unaware they've ever done something like that with one of their flagship games. I know they relied heavily on the community when they were working on a FAQ for BFG back in the day, but I've never seen anything like that for 40k and I don't play fantasy, so that's news to me.

@Blacksails. I'm not sure if they credit Druchii.net in the updated army book. I'll have to check when I get home, but they certainly received credit in WD.

Ruin wrote:
@Blacksails. I'm not sure if they credit Druchii.net in the updated army book. I'll have to check when I get home, but they certainly received credit in WD.

Still better than nothing and honestly a little shocking, but when was that book released? Early 2000's? GW wasn't quite that far gone by then, so its not quite as far fetched if GW were to do it now.

GW listens to one thing and one thing only!!!

The Cash Register.

A year, year and a half from now, 2 at the most, we will be awaiting 9th edition! We can re-ask the listening question again then.

T...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

die toten hosen wrote:
Sheer amount of wish - listing done there makes me really really hope they never take and use any of it.

QFT.

Imagine if they listened to someone like Traditio or Janky? OMFG.

and yet, if it they listened to someone like me, the game would be in a much better place, call that arrogant if you like, but I do this crazy thing called playtesting and I run my ideas past all my mates and ajust it so its workable both within the fluff and the game itself, and I'm sure there are a lot of others like myself out there