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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 00:31:06
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Thunderhawk Pilot Dropping From Orbit
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Have they ever put any of our proposed rules in game?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 00:41:07
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Hard no.
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Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 00:50:54
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Rampaging Khorne Dreadnought
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With the amount of fan made legion rules they must have been sent at least something is bound to to have stuck with that supplement lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 00:54:55
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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yes, but not officially, look at the generals handbook as a prime example
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 01:11:25
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Lieutenant General
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Formosa wrote:yes, but not officially, look at the generals handbook as a prime example
Of course that will change with the next edition of the General's Handbook
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 01:28:41
Subject: Re:Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sheer amount of wish - listing done there makes me really really hope they never take and use any of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 01:47:09
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Yes they have. In 4th editon there was a change going on to make things more simpler. We got the Dark Angel, Chaos Space Marine, Eldar codex. The space marines cried/complained/whined the loudest that those books became boring, no soul, lifeless, dull no character so GW reversed coarse and of course the Space marines in 5th edition became nothing like the prior codices were. It had colour. It had character and wasn't dull or boring. That was before Kirby was CEO I believe.
So yes GW listened when their beloved Space Marines loose sales. But that was back then, now GW doesn't listen and still keeps having people roll this then roll that and then roll some more on random charts to roll for this and that again. this was during Kirby as CEO.
What 8th edition will bring? I don't have a clue. That will be after Kirby as CEO. Seeing how the rules are still the same even after Kirby as not CEO hasn't changed and could have, all we can do is hope GW will change when 8th edition comes around since I have no faith GW will change when 8th edition comes out. I fear the change will be smoke and mirrors and while things may be jolly in the beginning, scale creep will come in real fast and all the joy that was in the first few months or even year will be soured once year 2 comes in around.
I hope I am wrong and GW is just waiting for the 30th Anniversary year to release the new rules. Why wait a year when you can fix now? But alas we need to wait and that is all we can do. Wait and hope.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 01:58:16
Subject: Re:Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Beautiful and Deadly Keeper of Secrets
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So yes GW listened when their beloved Space Marines loose sales.
To be fairly honest, they straight up were boring. CSM 4th edition was a spit in the face after it got Gav Thorped, and as a result of it we have Kelly using that worthless blech as a basis for 6th and is responsible for 3/4ths of the current issues plaguing CSM lorewise and gamewise.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 04:54:06
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
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Would you?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 05:51:22
Subject: Re:Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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die toten hosen wrote:Sheer amount of wish - listing done there makes me really really hope they never take and use any of it.
QFT.
Imagine if they listened to someone like Traditio or Janky? OMFG.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 06:10:14
Subject: Re:Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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The Scout fix and the Dreadnought fix started off as proposed rules, so yes they have. People complaining about Sisters of Silence and Custodes not having a way to be used in Battleforged armies led to their respective formations. So they obviously listen and have delivered on some of this stuff in the past, but I wouldn't expect them to put overly elaborate stuff into the game. A little tweak here and there. That's it.
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
30K 2500 pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 06:29:24
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Yeah, but is that from Dakka Proposed Rules or just general Internet griping about Dreads being crap / models not being Battleforged?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 06:33:37
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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The only documented case I can think of was an extensive errata for Dark Elves with the help of Druchii.net
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BlaxicanX wrote:A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 10:26:00
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Yeah, but is that from Dakka Proposed Rules or just general Internet griping about Dreads being crap / models not being Battleforged?
It is hard to say. I really doubt they scroll through Dakka. I misunderstood the thread, I took "our" to mean the fandom, not Dakka.
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
30K 2500 pts |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 10:28:09
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They might just not like dakka ; )
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Inactive, user. New profile might pop up in a while |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 10:35:33
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Back in 5th Edition I believe GWs official FaQs often had help from a fan-made team headed by Yakface (I believe it was headed by him anyway. His name was credited in a few of them.)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 10:51:38
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Dakka Veteran
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6th ed WHFB Dark Elves disagree there.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 11:02:52
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Oozing Plague Marine Terminator
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Wasn't the 3.5 Chaos Codex an answer to the community criticizing the 3rd edition codex?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 11:30:09
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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You wanna come to a super soft birthday party there, bud?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 11:33:14
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Wicked Warp Spider
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Honestly? No. The community has generally, as a whole, reasonable complaints and addresses the "right" issues but the solution proposed are all over the place. The amount of illogic analysis, wishlisting, clunkyness of proposed rules, fanboyism are appaling. Albeit, this is something the designers are faulty of, too. Addressed here: This is why you hire professionals. Maybe, one beautiful day, GW will hire professionals too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 11:42:10
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Ruin wrote:
6th ed WHFB Dark Elves disagree there.
Is there some sort of hard evidence you have that GW credited someone's work on the proposed rules section? Did they state anywhere that the feedback provided to them by some number of players on the internet was taken on board and used to write a codex/rulebook?
Purifier wrote:
You wanna come to a super soft birthday party there, bud?
Take about 10% off the top there super chief.
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Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress
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Live near Halifax, NS? Ask me about our group, the Ordo Haligonias! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 13:05:17
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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I think they kinda do.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 13:33:50
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I think they read proposed rules as more of a "What not to do" sort of thing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 13:35:06
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 13:50:30
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Dakka Veteran
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Blacksails wrote:Ruin wrote:
6th ed WHFB Dark Elves disagree there.
Is there some sort of hard evidence you have that GW credited someone's work on the proposed rules section? Did they state anywhere that the feedback provided to them by some number of players on the internet was taken on board and used to write a codex/rulebook?
Yup. Straight from the White Dwarf where the rules update was put in (until the book was updated) Gav Thorpe collaborated with Druchii.net on making the required changes to the army book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 13:52:37
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Ruin wrote: Blacksails wrote:Ruin wrote:
6th ed WHFB Dark Elves disagree there.
Is there some sort of hard evidence you have that GW credited someone's work on the proposed rules section? Did they state anywhere that the feedback provided to them by some number of players on the internet was taken on board and used to write a codex/rulebook?
Yup. Straight from the White Dwarf where the rules update was put in (until the book was updated) Gav Thorpe collaborated with Druchii.net on making the required changes to the army book.
That's interesting. I was unaware they've ever done something like that with one of their flagship games. I know they relied heavily on the community when they were working on a FAQ for BFG back in the day, but I've never seen anything like that for 40k and I don't play fantasy, so that's news to me.
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Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress
+Spaceship Gaming Enthusiast+
Live near Halifax, NS? Ask me about our group, the Ordo Haligonias! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 13:58:07
Subject: Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Dakka Veteran
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@Blacksails. I'm not sure if they credit Druchii.net in the updated army book. I'll have to check when I get home, but they certainly received credit in WD.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 14:08:16
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Lord of the Fleet
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Ruin wrote:@Blacksails. I'm not sure if they credit Druchii.net in the updated army book. I'll have to check when I get home, but they certainly received credit in WD.
Still better than nothing and honestly a little shocking, but when was that book released? Early 2000's? GW wasn't quite that far gone by then, so its not quite as far fetched if GW were to do it now.
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Mordian Iron Guard - Major Overhaul in Progress
+Spaceship Gaming Enthusiast+
Live near Halifax, NS? Ask me about our group, the Ordo Haligonias! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 18:01:13
Subject: Re:Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Slippery Ultramarine Scout Biker
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GW listens to one thing and one thing only!!!
The Cash Register.
A year, year and a half from now, 2 at the most, we will be awaiting 9th edition! We can re-ask the listening question again then.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/12/02 19:53:42
Subject: Re:Has GW ever listened to the proposed rules?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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JohnHwangDD wrote:die toten hosen wrote:Sheer amount of wish - listing done there makes me really really hope they never take and use any of it.
QFT.
Imagine if they listened to someone like Traditio or Janky? OMFG.
and yet, if it they listened to someone like me, the game would be in a much better place, call that arrogant if you like, but I do this crazy thing called playtesting and I run my ideas past all my mates and ajust it so its workable both within the fluff and the game itself, and I'm sure there are a lot of others like myself out there
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