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Traditio has:
• Said everything other than 50-100 dudes with guns is "shenanigans" and should be banned from 40k.
• A history of absolutely refusing to adapt to any situation other than situations involving 50 dudes with guns.
• Said that placing even a single Riptide on the table in a casual game is "dishonorable".
• A Confederate flag as his avatar.
• Said that "you so much as smile when you contemplate running it, re-think it, and chances are, you should pick something else."
• Said that Aun'va was "Shenanigans" and should be banned.
• Said that codexes like KDK were "Shenanigans" and should be banned.

I don't even try to take this seriously any more. Don't feed the troll.

I heard the astra militarum actually killed all of the imperial guard and stole every unit they had. That is so overpowered I cannot begin to fathom taking them on!

Pff that's nothing. I've played against orks and they have a ld9 warboss! Ld9 ork. Despicable overpowered nonsense!

Yeah but Orks are just a massive cheese army anyway. They're so undercosted, you can take like THIRTY of them! And they ALL have Shootas! zomgop cheese pls nerf ok gw ty

 BBAP wrote:
Yeah but Orks are just a massive cheese army anyway. They're so undercosted, you can take like THIRTY of them! And they ALL have Shootas! zomgop cheese pls nerf ok gw ty

And shootas are just like bolters but better! And everyone knows you can kill anything with a bolter. And orks shoot so much! 60 shots from a squad of 30 boyz! And than they all charge and strike and kill stuff. That's insane! They should be nerfed.

Every army is OP if you use it correctly and get lucky dice. I killed Ghazghkull(bad spelling) with 19 guardsmen and a sergeant. Lasguns only.

Tau are cheese.

Eldar are cheese.

Necrons are cheese.

SM are cheese.

Dark Eldar is cheese.

Forge world is cheese.

Cheese is cheese.

Life is cheese.

I'm cheese. There's another thread with the same title but Death Guard. You're starting to sound like MoO's Timmy.

.... Are you Timmy?

 blood ravens addiction wrote:
Every army is OP if you use it correctly and get lucky dice. I killed Ghazkull (bad spelling) with 19 guardsmen and a sergeant. Lasguns only.

pls go

Guys. I heard that the Astra Militarum can have over 100 bodies in a single troops choice. So OP!

All with lasguns too. Some dude killed Ghaz'kull with lasguns so they're obvs broken. GW pls nerf ok ty

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Mock me if you want.

Or don't.

Either way:

Enjoy the dwindling player base.

Enjoy your grav cannons, super heavies, etc. when you have an even more limited selection of opponents than you do now.

But hey. That will give you the great opportunity to build your own gaming table so that you can play many a game of warhammer: solitaire.

You make is so easy, though. It's also ironic that both grav cannons and most super heavies are perfectly fair taken alone. If you can't handle non-invisible grav cannons and SHW (hull points are a bitch), then you are a bad player. Period.

Oh man, I wish I could exalt this thread more than once! Always nice to see a troll getting trolled!

 Traditio wrote:
The player base has been shrinking since the advent of 6th edition. Say what you want, but power creep, scale creep, price creep, etc. are all to blame for this.

Mock me if you want.

Or don't.

Either way:

Enjoy the dwindling player base.

Enjoy your grav cannons, super heavies, etc. when you have an even more limited selection of opponents than you do now.

But hey. That will give you the great opportunity to build your own gaming table so that you can play many a game of warhammer: solitaire.

This is what separates us Traditio.

I love 40k. Like a lot, it brought me into the hobby, and I have a difficult time enjoying other games. There are no universes that I love as much as 40k.

That is why I still play it as it is. I love 40k, I don't love all the different types of creep, in fact, I hate it. But I can't escape it. If I go play at a tournament, I have to deal with all of those things. That's part of the game. I won't pretend it doesn't exist. I'll talk about my dislike, and I'll ignore it in friendly games, but I won't pretend it doesn't exist.

Also, the threats about the dwindling 40k playerbase are completely moot as you spend your time complaining a game that you say is a lost cause, so why waste your time and your dignity on this forum?

 koooaei wrote:
And shootas are just like bolters but better!

You laugh, but my CSM would much rather have shootas than bolters.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
And shootas are just like bolters but better!

You laugh, but my CSM would much rather have shootas than bolters.

Yeah, because they're BS4 and have all kinds of OP special rules. They also get to have Daemons, which are the most OP units in the game, especially the Nurglings - did you know they can Outflank? How am I supposed to beat a unit that can Outflank?

Shootas are better than bolters. Hands down.

 BBAP wrote:
All with lasguns too. Some dude killed Ghaz'kull with lasguns so they're obvs broken. GW pls nerf ok ty

Aaaaaand how do you nerf a lasgun exactly? Make it weaker? That makes it cheaper, which means I get more of them and can kill Ghazghkull easier. Make it stronger? Hardly any difference, perhaps 1 point higher per model. It'll just make it easier.

You can't nerf a lasgun.

 blood ravens addiction wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
All with lasguns too. Some dude killed Ghaz'kull with lasguns so they're obvs broken. GW pls nerf ok ty

Aaaaaand how do you nerf a lasgun exactly? Make it weaker? That makes it cheaper, which means I get more of them and can kill Ghazghkull easier. Make it stronger? Hardly any difference, perhaps 1 point higher per model. It'll just make it easier.

You can't nerf a lasgun.

A guardsman with a lasgun should be at least 25 points. If it can kill a terminator it should obviously cost at least somewhat the same. After all, Guard has access to all the cheese buffs called "orders" that my Librarians can't even do!

Martel732 wrote:
Shootas are better than bolters. Hands down.

Those Blood Angels aren't going to be ignoring Ork Saves with a shoota.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Shootas are better than bolters. Hands down.

Those Blood Angels aren't going to be ignoring Ork Saves with a shoota.

Did Orks get a 5+ save when I wasn't looking?

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Shootas are better than bolters. Hands down.

Those Blood Angels aren't going to be ignoring Ork Saves with a shoota.

Did Orks get a 5+ save when I wasn't looking?

Apparently a kommando mob looted all the yearly flak armor output from mars and they are almost swimming in flak.

All this needs is a fake poll to argue about.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Shootas are better than bolters. Hands down.

Those Blood Angels aren't going to be ignoring Ork Saves with a shoota.

Did Orks get a 5+ save when I wasn't looking?

It's apparently been so long I thought Shoota's were AP-

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Shootas are better than bolters. Hands down.

Those Blood Angels aren't going to be ignoring Ork Saves with a shoota.

AP above 3 doesn't mean a thing anyway.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
All this needs is a fake poll to argue about.

The trolls will corrupt the data.

 TheCustomLime wrote:

 blood ravens addiction wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
All with lasguns too. Some dude killed Ghaz'kull with lasguns so they're obvs broken. GW pls nerf ok ty

Aaaaaand how do you nerf a lasgun exactly? Make it weaker? That makes it cheaper, which means I get more of them and can kill Ghazghkull easier. Make it stronger? Hardly any difference, perhaps 1 point higher per model. It'll just make it easier.

You can't nerf a lasgun.

A guardsman with a lasgun should be at least 25 points. If it can kill a terminator it should obviously cost at least somewhat the same. After all, Guard has access to all the cheese buffs called "orders" that my Librarians can't even do!

What he said, but Librarians should also get to do Orders. And Tactical Squads should get RttS/ Cult Ambush. Not very "Tactical" if they can't Ambush people.

So much cheese in this game. How can Marines hope to compete? Broken game.

pm713 wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
All this needs is a fake poll to argue about.

The trolls will corrupt the data.

That's OK. The strong minority is what matters.

 BBAP wrote:
I played a game against an Astroglide Militarium player earlier today. Now normally I have no problem beating the Guard with my nigh-invincible auto-regrouping Space Marines with their 10 Rhinos and BS4 special weapons, but then my opponent pulled out something called a "Stormsword".

It looked like an RC toy rather than something appropriate for 40k. It was huge. Worse, the thing had like 4 guns on it, and even though I used some of the free Krak grenades my MEQ dudes get to inflict a couple HP damage on it, I couldn't stop it shooting! It Stunned one of my Rhinos and ran over muh Devastator Sergeant!

Models like this have absolutely no place in 40k and I think it should be banned. It only costs 600-odd points too, which is undercosted for a non-SM vehicle with 4 guns on it.

This made me laugh profusely. The StormSword is good, but... it's not new and it's legal.

I am in your camp as far as whether it "should" be... But the Land of Should is a lonely place. No one lives there, people only pas through.

In this case, it just means you gotta embrace meltas and Grav Guns a lot more.Adapt and overcome.

 Jancoran wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
I played a game against an Astroglide Militarium player earlier today. Now normally I have no problem beating the Guard with my nigh-invincible auto-regrouping Space Marines with their 10 Rhinos and BS4 special weapons, but then my opponent pulled out something called a "Stormsword".

It looked like an RC toy rather than something appropriate for 40k. It was huge. Worse, the thing had like 4 guns on it, and even though I used some of the free Krak grenades my MEQ dudes get to inflict a couple HP damage on it, I couldn't stop it shooting! It Stunned one of my Rhinos and ran over muh Devastator Sergeant!

Models like this have absolutely no place in 40k and I think it should be banned. It only costs 600-odd points too, which is undercosted for a non-SM vehicle with 4 guns on it.

This made me laugh profusely. The StormSword is good, but... it's not new and it's legal.

I am in your camp as far as whether it "should" be... But the Land of Should is a lonely place. No one lives there, people only pas through.

In this case, it just means you gotta embrace meltas and Grav Guns a lot more.Adapt and overcome.

But if you have to rely on overpowered weapons to kill a unit that makes that unit overpowered. I should be able to take a TAC lists with missile launchers marines in rhinos and destroy Baneblades in a well balanced game.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I should be able to take a TAC lists with missile launchers marines in rhinos and destroy Baneblades in a well balanced game.

Flak missiles can't kill Baneblades, nerf all superheavies to T6/4+ at most.

 Peregrine wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
I should be able to take a TAC lists with missile launchers marines in rhinos and destroy Baneblades in a well balanced game.

Flak missiles can't kill Baneblades, nerf all superheavies to T6/4+ at most.

T5 if they fly, obviously flakk missiles are the end all, be all of AA weapons.