The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17

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**jreilly89**

Kinda bummed it's Roboute and not the Lion, but that Cypher model looks great.

**Alpharius**

Gamgee wrote:

Honestly... I'm not sure. Anything or nothing could happen depending on how biased the fluff and lore gets with primarchs back. Safe bet is Farsight and/or Shadowsun in some sort of super suits. Necrons have c'tan shards. Orks dunno.

Tau, again?

Are they even rumored to be appearing in GATHERING STORM III: Rise of the Primarch?!?

jreilly89 wrote:
Kinda bummed it's Roboute and not the Lion, but that Cypher model looks great.

I still think the Lion will be showing up too, eventually!

**ZebioLizard2**

I'm thrilled by this development!

**Rainyday**

Alpharius wrote:

Tau, again?

Are they even rumored to be appearing in GATHERING STORM III: Rise of the Primarch?!?

No, we're just speculating what other races could bring to the table now that the primarch's out of the bag.

**Inquisitor Kallus**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
All I have to say is that Guilliman better be usable by all Space Marine Chapters ..:(

Why had he 'better be'?

**sfshilo**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
All I have to say is that Guilliman better be usable by all Space Marine Chapters and that the formations in the book better not be Ultramarine exclusive. I suppose this is where we will be getting the Ultramarines equivalent to the different detachments from Angels of Death. Good for them, but it still sucks to be a Black Templars or Crimson Fists player. Still no specialized formations or detachments for us. :(

The last book has TWO formations you can use for fraks sake. Granted one of them was an apoc formation.....

Giving you the ability to bring crusader squads back to life on a 5+ and army wide hatred is nothing to sneeze at for black templars and crimson fists.

**Fayric**

Perhaps Gulliman get religiously reborn when it turns out The Emprah actually can reward acts of fait and stuff.
After all, Celestine is fighting side by side with his forces.

Stranger things have happened to people in near death situations.

He would probably need something like that to not go absolutely insane when he see the world of 40k and the imperium.

**Captain Joystick**

Noticed on the rotational shot from the picture... His grieves are segmented the same way as the lower legs of a kastelan robot.

Could it be possible his life support system is a full-on Darth Vader scenario?

**Theophony**

Gamgee wrote:
How crazy can I get? How about this.

Farsight: The Emperor never told you what happened to the lost primarch.
Roboute Gulliman: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!
Farsight: No, I am the primarch.
Roboute Guliman: No that's not true!!!! That's impossible!
Farsight: You underestimate the power of the Tau side.

Hahah.

I hate feeding trolls, but it's more likely that the Tyranids were actually one of the first founding chapters. They were all but exterminated because of the random mutations. If you consider all the old fluff, both marines and tyranids can absorb the memories of their enemies by eating them. Their digestive capabilities and their superior strengths. The prim arch and a small band could have escaped. Could be cool if they base them off of a canabalistic historical group.

**Alpharius**

People!

Gathering Storm III: Rise of the Primarch - please!

**Lockark**

I'm assuming Celestine cries on gullieman and brings him back to life. The flaming sword is the artifact.

**ZebioLizard2**

Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
All I have to say is that Guilliman better be usable by all Space Marine Chapters ..:(

Why had he 'better be'?

Yeah I have to question that, it's not like Magnus was usable by all of Chaos either.

**Iron Angel**

Lockark wrote:
I'm assuming Celestine cries on gullieman and brings him back to life. The flaming sword is the artifact.

First they force her to find him between his friends.. xD

**TheDraconicLord**

Everyone is going nuts bananas, and in panic with Guilliman's return, and here I am anxious to know more about Cypher. With his Fallen. Fighting for the Imperium. And the whole sword deal.

I can't wait for books with this event as their setting: A Cypher book would be so amazing, kinda like the Ahriman series.

**Gamgee**

Rainyday wrote:
Alpharius wrote:

Tau, again?

Are they even rumored to be appearing in GATHERING STORM III: Rise of the Primarch?!?

No, we're just speculating what other races could bring to the table now that the primarch's out of the bag.

Best not talk of other races I think. What with the Primarch back they're all history anyways.

**casvalremdeikun**

Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
All I have to say is that Guilliman better be usable by all Space Marine Chapters ..:(

Why had he 'better be'?

Because it is annoying that GW always plays favorites with Ultramarines and Ignores the other Chapters.

sfshilo wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
All I have to say is that Guilliman better be usable by all Space Marine Chapters and that the formations in the book better not be Ultramarine exclusive. I suppose this is where we will be getting the Ultramarines equivalent to the different detachments from Angels of Death. Good for them, but it still sucks to be a Black Templars or Crimson Fists player. Still no specialized formations or detachments for us. :(

The last book has TWO formations you can use for fraks sake. Granted one of them was an apoc formation.....

Giving you the ability to bring crusader squads back to life on a 5+ and army wide hatred is nothing to sneeze at for black templars and crimson fists.

Can use, yes. Designed specifically for like the other major Chapters received, no. Pedro Kantor still can't be used in a Sternhammer Strike Force and Templars still don't have a Detachment that mirrors what other major Chapters have.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Captain Joystick wrote:
Noticed on the rotational shot from the picture... His grieves are segmented the same way as the lower legs of a kastelan robot.

Could it be possible his life support system is a full-on Darth Vader scenario?

That is my assumption for why he looks so different. He, like Vader (and Calgar), is more machine now than man.

**Lockark**

I still think it's silly only ultramarines can take a tank commander.

**angelofvengeance**

Lockark wrote:
I still think it's silly only ultramarines can take a tank commander.

Well, you have the Ward-era codex to thank for that.

**casvalremdeikun**

Lockark wrote:
I still think it's silly only ultramarines can take a tank commander.

Or anot HQ in Scout Armor. Or have Honour Guard models. Of course they were the Loyalist faction to get the Primarch. Who else would it have been?

**warboss**

Liberal_Perturabo wrote:
Welp.
Into idiotic BS we go.

Look on the bright side... at least the fluff will now be as ridiculous and over the top as the rules have been for 8th edition. +1 for consistency!

**Platuan4th**

Lockark wrote:
I'm assuming Celestine cries on gullieman and brings him back to life. The flaming sword is the artifact.

The blurb on the Community page specifically states Cawl and Yvraine bring him back through a combination of tech and psy-magic.

**Arbitrator**

Yodhrin wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
AHA!!!!!

Guilliman' armour includes life support systems.....

What's the betting that's what was/is in Cawl's box? A life support armour fit for a Primarch, or at least the main component?

And for those kvetching that Guilliman's already well established tactical nous sees Chaos get the poop kicked out of it?

Remember Calth? 'Member? I 'Member...that was the single best chance to wreck Ultramar. Sneak attack from a totally unexpected foe, already at anchor amongst a supposedly friendly fleet. Ultramarine's very much caught with their pants down? What chance did Chaos have here once Guilliman is out and about? Sure. There may be Chaos Marines who fought in the Heresy there. But alongside 10,000 years of experience, they've also got 10,000 years of absolute pants-on-head insanity to boot. Of course he wipes the floor with them. Wouldn't be a very good return if he's all derpy after his snooze, would it!

Which is exactly why bringing back loyalist primarchs was a daft idea.

Of course it was, but Games Workshop have been desperate to turn 40k into Horus Heresy 2.0 for years. They probably wish they could squat every army but loyalist Space Marines. Hell considering AoS showed they were more than willing to destroy an entire gameline for an excuse to shove Sigmarines down our throats, it wouldn't surprise me if in 8th the ONLY main armies were Space Marines, but you could take the remnants of your pre-8th armies as allies or osme nonsense.

Xenos are just going to get relegated even further into NPC status. Imperial Guard/Sisters/Mechanicus will exist to sell as Allies to LSM's on the tabletop and as punching bags to be saved by some shade of Space Marine in the lore.

The setting will turn into The Avengers, where it revolves entirely around the loyalist Primarchs fighting the Daemon Primarchs like some superhero comic.

**Don Savik**

Here's what I dont get. They have 3 books full of getting the band back together to fight chaos. All these triumvirate sets of raid party members to fight the last boss at the end of the dungeon......and the current rumor is that abaddon bites it? Where the hell is the chaos stuff in this campaign? Now me personally I don't think abaddon will 'die' necessarily because they never axe models without replacements. But 6 imperium and 3 eldar characters and thats a wrap? Are you kidding me?

**Galef**

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Spoiler:

Inquisitor Kallus wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
All I have to say is that Guilliman better be usable by all Space Marine Chapters ..:(

Why had he 'better be'?

Yeah I have to question that, it's not like Magnus was usable by all of Chaos either.

Um....technically he is. Magnus is a CSM LoW. not just a T-sons LoW. So as long as you aren't using a Traitor's Legion (which have restrictions on the characters you can field), Magnus is fair game.
The problem with Papa Smurf is that he'll likely have Chapter Tactics: Ultramarine, thereby limiting him to detachments of Smurfs.

However, in either case you just take multiple detachments and take whatever you want. Papa Smurf will be BBs with all the Imperium, just as Magnus is BBs with all Chaos
It's not like 40K has any sort of restricting structure of consequence

-

**Arbitrator**

Don Savik wrote:
Here's what I dont get. They have 3 books full of getting the band back together to fight chaos. All these triumvirate sets of raid party members to fight the last boss at the end of the dungeon......and the current rumor is that abaddon bites it? Where the hell is the chaos stuff in this campaign? Now me personally I don't think abaddon will 'die' necessarily because they never axe models without replacements. But 6 imperium and 3 eldar characters and thats a wrap? Are you kidding me?

Who cares about Chaos? BUY YOUR DAMN LOYALIST SPACE MARINES (and their allies).

I know some people are going to jump up and down screaming "b-b-but Thousand Sons and Traitor Legions!" but it's hysterical to me that is an argument when as soon as Chaos get something, it's like the loyalists have to also receive a present just in case it upsets them. Heck, I'm willing to bet the only reason Chaos even received Magnus in the first place is to justify putting a loyalist Primarch on the table when there were still Daemon Primarchs alive.

**casvalremdeikun**

Don Savik wrote:
Here's what I dont get. They have 3 books full of getting the band back together to fight chaos. All these triumvirate sets of raid party members to fight the last boss at the end of the dungeon......and the current rumor is that abaddon bites it? Where the hell is the chaos stuff in this campaign? Now me personally I don't think abaddon will 'die' necessarily because they never axe models without replacements. But 6 imperium and 3 eldar characters and thats a wrap? Are you kidding me?

I honestly think GW is acknowledging that Abaddon as a character concept has been tainted by years of poor fluff-writing. It almost seems like they want to kill him off to make room for something better.

**Don Savik**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Don Savik wrote:
Here's what I dont get. They have 3 books full of getting the band back together to fight chaos. All these triumvirate sets of raid party members to fight the last boss at the end of the dungeon......and the current rumor is that abaddon bites it? Where the hell is the chaos stuff in this campaign? Now me personally I don't think abaddon will 'die' necessarily because they never axe models without replacements. But 6 imperium and 3 eldar characters and thats a wrap? Are you kidding me?
I honestly think GW is acknowledging that Abaddon as a character concept has been tainted by years of poor fluff-writing. It almost seems like they want to kill him off to make room for something better.

I mean at this point I hope the 'something better' is a big chaos release at the start of 8th edition. That's all I can wish for at this point. Hopefully Cypher kills the emperor or something.

**Arbitrator**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Don Savik wrote:
Here's what I dont get. They have 3 books full of getting the band back together to fight chaos. All these triumvirate sets of raid party members to fight the last boss at the end of the dungeon......and the current rumor is that abaddon bites it? Where the hell is the chaos stuff in this campaign? Now me personally I don't think abaddon will 'die' necessarily because they never axe models without replacements. But 6 imperium and 3 eldar characters and thats a wrap? Are you kidding me?
I honestly think GW is acknowledging that Abaddon as a character concept has been tainted by years of poor fluff-writing. It almost seems like they want to kill him off to make room for something better.

It seems more likely they'd want to kill him off just because in this new age of "Warhammer 40,000: The Avengers" they thought it would look odd if on the tabletop 'mere mortal' Abbadon is still around leading these giant Daemon Primarchs. He'll probably come back as a Daemon Prince anyway.

**Ruin**

There are no tanks in Baghdad...

This end times train has no brakes!